Drivers License for Illegal Immigrants

Off Topic Politics & World Issues
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[quote]MaximusB wrote:
You guys are missing the REAL story…

The Unions wanted these drivers licenses to look exactly the same as everyone else’s, which would allow them to vote, mainly for Union friendly candidates to secure more Union perks down the road.

Problem is, this violates the Real ID Act, and would be rendered illegal, so Brown signaled his disapproval. Then Unions got upset and wanted to pull the whole idea.

Driving is the cover story, the behind the scenes action was to expand Union voter roles.

Oh and discriminating against this specific license when applying for a job would make an employer open for a lawsuit, but it is illegal to work in the US while being here illegally.[/quote]

And I’ll just point out here for anyone reading that may misinterpret the brainless rant above, the licenses will NOT be identical to “real” driver’s licenses. One could easily interpret from reading this that they are, but all he is saying (I believe) is that the unions wanted them to be (but no real proof of that).

Regardless, it is a moot point, because they are distinctly different (as the OP’s original link states). Ohh yeah and also because them looking the same would not at all change the voter registration requirements and the ability to defraud them.

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How the fuck do you give a drivers licence to somebody who is in the country illegally?

Can somebody enlighten me?

Why even have laws?

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[quote]VTBalla34 wrote:

[quote]MaximusB wrote:
You guys are missing the REAL story…

The Unions wanted these drivers licenses to look exactly the same as everyone else’s, which would allow them to vote, mainly for Union friendly candidates to secure more Union perks down the road.

Problem is, this violates the Real ID Act, and would be rendered illegal, so Brown signaled his disapproval. Then Unions got upset and wanted to pull the whole idea.

Driving is the cover story, the behind the scenes action was to expand Union voter roles.

Oh and discriminating against this specific license when applying for a job would make an employer open for a lawsuit, but it is illegal to work in the US while being here illegally.[/quote]

And I’ll just point out here for anyone reading that may misinterpret the brainless rant above, the licenses will NOT be identical to “real” driver’s licenses. One could easily interpret from reading this that they are, but all he is saying (I believe) is that the unions wanted them to be (but no real proof of that).

Regardless, it is a moot point, because they are distinctly different (as the OP’s original link states). Ohh yeah and also because them looking the same would not at all change the voter registration requirements and the ability to defraud them. [/quote]

You dumb dildo.

The original proposal was that these licenses look the same, which was being pushed by THE UNIONS, not the La Raza activists. It was THE UNIONS who objected when the new licenses would look different, and the governor knew this violated Federal Law.

Why would Unions want this, when allegedly the original intent was strictly for driving purposes only ?

It would not benefit Unions one bit, since illegal aliens are still not Unionized.

The only reason was to expand Union voter rolls, there is no other logical excuse.

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[quote]UtahLama wrote:
How the fuck do you give a drivers licence to somebody who is in the country illegally?

Can somebody enlighten me?

Why even have laws?[/quote]

They did it in the name of increasing public safety, but now performing abortions can be done by non-physicians.

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In the last 25 years I’ve had a friend and a relative get into bad accidents with illegals.

How did they know they were illegals? Because they crawled out the smashed windows and ran away leaving their cars behind in both incidents. The cars turned out to have stolen plates. Oh and they “looked” Mexican also was a clue.

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[quote]VTBalla34 wrote:

[quote]DrSkeptix wrote:

[quote]VTBalla34 wrote:

California has a roster at each polling station, that is checked to ensure you are on it. I am curious of how you chicken littles and tin foil hat wearers surmise that illegals would now be able to vote there with merely a drivers license that looks like a real id? Do they also use that to defraud the county elections office who has responsibility for adding them to that roster? Please enlighten me…[/quote]

Perhaps you could consider the following realities:
–With an “ID” or “alternative driver’s license” a non-citizen could claim residency and register to vote.
–There is no cross reference of voters’ registration with death certificates, so the dead are not promptly removed from the voting rolls. A person could show up with a faked ID and claim to be a (deceased, or moved, or non-voting) registered voter.
–Names might be held in common, or confused, as they are in California (similar patronymic-matronymic names)
–If you thing this is a fantasy, I know for a fact that my name was used to vote in Chicago for years after I had registered to vote in Massachusetts.

Was that enlightening for you?

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Not really, since none of what you wrote is exacerbated by these new drivers licenses. Nothing was stopping an illegal from using an electric bill and registering to vote and pepetrating all the sins you listed before. My question was, as quoted above, how do you surmise that illegals would now be able to vote with merely a drivers license that looks like the existing one? Answer: it doesn’t change the status quo one bit. But that obviously will not stop the know nothings and conspiracy theorists from speculating…lol[/quote]

Apparently you do not understand that not every fraudulent voter will have a electric bill in his name and at a correct address.
But a fraudulent voter can now have a drivers license, in any name he or she may choose.

I surmise that your biases have blinded you to real voter fraud that has occurred unchecked for decades.
The clacks say, “there has never been voter fraud” based on false identification, but I counter that this because those entrusted with investigation–for example, Mr. Eric Holder, or the Cook County Registrar of Voters, or perhaps the Califonria Secretary of State–have their reasons not to do so.

In any case, since you have no facts to offer, I will sign off here.

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Not all immigrants invariably vote Democratic Varq, Cubans in Miami are a heavily Republican Voting bloc.
Funny though, that if one comes from Government and Economically fucked Mexico, they’re Illegals,
but if one comes from a Government and economically fucked Cuba, IF they step foot on our soil,
they’re not illegals and can stay as well.

Our laws are so fucked, and WE get the Government WE deserve, so LOOK in the mirror,
because it’s YOUR fault as well as mine people, and where was everybody when our Borders
weren’t nearly as half assed fortified as they are now??
Partying and fucking your girlfriends that’s what you were doing.

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[quote]UtahLama wrote:
How the fuck do you give a drivers licence to somebody who is in the country illegally?

Can somebody enlighten me?

Why even have laws?[/quote]

It’s completely asinine. Especially with the rationale being “so they can get to work legally.” Lets help people legally get to their ILLEGAL place of work where their employer is ILLEGALLY hiring and paying them and they are NOT PAYING TAXES for the roads they are now LEGALLY using PAID for by TAXPAYERS. LOL!

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[quote]Maiden3.16 wrote:

It’s completely asinine. Especially with the rationale being “so they can get to work legally.” Lets help people legally get to their ILLEGAL place of work where their employer is ILLEGALLY hiring and paying them and they are NOT PAYING TAXES for the roads they are now LEGALLY using PAID for by TAXPAYERS. LOL![/quote]

They are paying taxes to use the roads, with every gallon of gasoline they buy-- for the cars they presumably have registered (state revenue), smogged (state revenue) and obtained licenses to drive (state revenue). If they are working, then they are receiving money, and with this money they are buying products, for which they also pay sales tax (state revenue).

So the state isn’t milking them for as much as it might if they were fully documented and registered and above the board and all, but it gets a fair amount of squeeze.

Better than using taxpayers’ money to pay welfare to people who are legally entitled to work, but don’t.

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The best piece of irony is…

The governor says it will help illegal people get to work legally, yet the new licenses specify “not to be used for employment or public benefits.”

LULZ

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possible Best Solution: Bring the troops home from all the foreign wars and stage them at the borders. This would provide a military/guardsman about every hundred yards for the ENTIRE length of Both borders. Shoot anyone who tresspasses over the border. Survivors will be shot again. Throw body back from where it came. Start to clean house…

If people want to migrate here Legally, fine. All for it. Illegals will be shot, survivors shot again !

Over being under employed and underpaid in the country I was Born In, while some little illegal shitass can get into school or the hospital
and not get charged for it…

thanks for listening, killerDIRK.

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[quote]conservativedog wrote:
In the last 25 years I’ve had a friend and a relative get into bad accidents with illegals.

How did they know they were illegals? Because they crawled out the smashed windows and ran away leaving their cars behind in both incidents. The cars turned out to have stolen plates. Oh and they “looked” Mexican also was a clue.[/quote]
Why is looked in quotes? They were metaphoric Mexicans? Ironic Mexicans? Sarcastic Mexicans?

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[quote]zecarlo wrote:

[quote]conservativedog wrote:
In the last 25 years I’ve had a friend and a relative get into bad accidents with illegals.

How did they know they were illegals? Because they crawled out the smashed windows and ran away leaving their cars behind in both incidents. The cars turned out to have stolen plates. Oh and they “looked” Mexican also was a clue.[/quote]
Why is looked in quotes? They were metaphoric Mexicans? Ironic Mexicans? Sarcastic Mexicans? [/quote]

They were Hondurans and Guatemalans disguised as Mexicans, but Conservative Dog’s relative wasn’t fooled for a minute. He knows a fake Mexican when he sees one.

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[quote]Varqanir wrote:

[quote]zecarlo wrote:

[quote]conservativedog wrote:
In the last 25 years I’ve had a friend and a relative get into bad accidents with illegals.

How did they know they were illegals? Because they crawled out the smashed windows and ran away leaving their cars behind in both incidents. The cars turned out to have stolen plates. Oh and they “looked” Mexican also was a clue.[/quote]
Why is looked in quotes? They were metaphoric Mexicans? Ironic Mexicans? Sarcastic Mexicans? [/quote]

They were Hondurans and Guatemalans disguised as Mexicans, but Conservative Dog’s relative wasn’t fooled for a minute. He knows a fake Mexican when he sees one. [/quote]
Maybe they were black Irish.

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[quote]killerDIRK wrote:
possible Best Solution: Bring the troops home from all the foreign wars and stage them at the borders. This would provide a military/guardsman about every hundred yards for the ENTIRE length of Both borders. Shoot anyone who tresspasses over the border. Survivors will be shot again. Throw body back from where it came. Start to clean house…

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You forgot about the land mines, guard towers, searchlights and trained attack dogs.

“Keep, ancient lands, your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
There’s enough of those people already, you see,
We can’t afford to take them anymore!”

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[quote]Varqanir wrote:

[quote]Maiden3.16 wrote:

It’s completely asinine. Especially with the rationale being “so they can get to work legally.” Lets help people legally get to their ILLEGAL place of work where their employer is ILLEGALLY hiring and paying them and they are NOT PAYING TAXES for the roads they are now LEGALLY using PAID for by TAXPAYERS. LOL![/quote]

They are paying taxes to use the roads, with every gallon of gasoline they buy-- for the cars they presumably have registered (state revenue), smogged (state revenue) and obtained licenses to drive (state revenue). If they are working, then they are receiving money, and with this money they are buying products, for which they also pay sales tax (state revenue).

So the state isn’t milking them for as much as it might if they were fully documented and registered and above the board and all, but it gets a fair amount of squeeze.

Better than using taxpayers’ money to pay welfare to people who are legally entitled to work, but don’t. [/quote]

All of which pale in comparison to income taxes. But I get your point.

As far as the comparison to taxes going to welfare I see no connection. I don’t see how giving illegals a drivers license is “better.” This is no a choice between the lesser of two evils. Let’s just do away with both.

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[quote]Maiden3.16 wrote:
All of which pale in comparison to income taxes.[/quote]

Not really. Individual and corporate income taxes account for about 17 percent of state revenue, compared to 46 percent from sales tax, license fees, gasoline tax and other taxes, which illegal immigrants would pay by virtue of their being members of the economy.

California collected 55 billion dollars in personal income tax revenue for fiscal 2012, and paid 60 billion in welfare benefits. And you don’t see a connection? We’re never going to “do away” with either welfare or illegal immigration in California without some really draconian measures, but I’d say that the illegal immigrant driver’s license issue is a tiny drop in an incredibly leaky bucket.