Raise the driving age to 21.
[quote]pat wrote:
MrRezister wrote:
Sure, but liberals do their micromanaging in the name of “the children”, which makes it ok.
Yes…That’s why in my campain for the Pat Party my mantra is “Fuck the children”. Children are the parent’s problem not the government’s.[/quote]
Hey, that’s also the mantra for NAMBLA!
18 and enlisted … you get your beer.
18 and just able to enlist … no beer. Wait till your 21.
This would be an even worse idea applied to voting. Imagine the idiots this would encourage to get out of bed and vote.
[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
Interesting that the conservative WSJ is giving fair play to the discussion that perhaps the drinking age should be lowered and the liberal San Francisco Chronicle is opposing it.
Who wants to micromanage our lives again?[/quote]
Interestingly I saw a study a few months ago that examined a slew of newspaper to rank their political skew … and surprisingly the WSJ was one of the most liberal on it’s news pages. Very conservative on the editorial page but not at all everywhere else.
I think Paul Gigot is a LOT more liberal than his predecessor. And I think it was Dorothy Rabinowitz (a wsj editor? or at least an editorial page editor) that was a huge McCain partisan who went on the warpath against social conservatives … ruining the republican party etc, etc.
Evidently not your father’s wsj any more …
[quote]zephead4747 wrote:
MrRezister wrote:
The real (possible) problem of lowering the drinking age is that you might also lower the age of illicit drinkers as well.
If you’ve got 18-year olds drinking now thinking that they’re “close enough”, then perhaps after the age is dropped you’ll have the same thing happening with 15 or 16-year olds.
It’s not like everyone doesn’t drink at 15-16 or earlier already anyways.[/quote]
Oh shit, I just turned 15. Does this mean I’m going to start drinking? That would really fuck up my fitness plan’s and my plan’s for an engineering job.
[quote]RebornTN wrote:
zephead4747 wrote:
MrRezister wrote:
The real (possible) problem of lowering the drinking age is that you might also lower the age of illicit drinkers as well. If you’ve got 18-year olds drinking now thinking that they’re “close enough”, then perhaps after the age is dropped you’ll have the same thing happening with 15 or 16-year olds.
It’s not like everyone doesn’t drink at 15-16 or earlier already anyways.
Oh shit, I just turned 15. Does this mean I’m going to start drinking? That would really fuck up my fitness plan’s and my plan’s for an engineering job.[/quote]
it wouldn’t do either of those things if you aren’t a dipshit. This is where most people fuck up. If you’re a D average student you aren’t going to get any smarter by drinking. If you’re taking honors courses and drink once or twice a week if even, nothing is going to happen.
[quote]zephead4747 wrote:
it wouldn’t do either of those things if you aren’t a dipshit. This is where most people fuck up. If you’re a D average student you aren’t going to get any smarter by drinking. If you’re taking honors courses and drink once or twice a week if even, nothing is going to happen.[/quote]
True in regard to the academic portion of the spectrum I suppose.
But doesn’t alcohol stop the synthesis of protein while in the system? I remember reading that somewhere, and that seems to be anti-productive to bodybuilding goals.
I really don’t have any proof for my argument, I guess I’m just justifying why I haven’t been drinking. Despite it “probably” not going to affect me.
[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
Old enough to fight for the country is old enough to have a beer in my book. [/quote]
Agreed 100 percent. If the kid is old enough to be put in jail for life, then he is an adult and can drink, have sex and whatever.
Listen to this and look how true it is:
[quote]RebornTN wrote:
zephead4747 wrote:
it wouldn’t do either of those things if you aren’t a dipshit. This is where most people fuck up. If you’re a D average student you aren’t going to get any smarter by drinking. If you’re taking honors courses and drink once or twice a week if even, nothing is going to happen.
True in regard to the academic portion of the spectrum I suppose.
But doesn’t alcohol stop the synthesis of protein while in the system? I remember reading that somewhere, and that seems to be anti-productive to bodybuilding goals.
I really don’t have any proof for my argument, I guess I’m just justifying why I haven’t been drinking. Despite it “probably” not going to affect me.
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it sure as hell isn’t productive to bodybuilding. But if you want to celebrate on the weekend with some friends a few times over the school year, don’t worry about it. Life isn’t about the weightroom. There’s a lot of stuff out there to enjoy if you aren’t stupid about it.
Props to you man if you stay sober, but a little relaxation time keeps me sane.
[quote]RebornTN wrote:
zephead4747 wrote:
MrRezister wrote:
The real (possible) problem of lowering the drinking age is that you might also lower the age of illicit drinkers as well.
If you’ve got 18-year olds drinking now thinking that they’re “close enough”, then perhaps after the age is dropped you’ll have the same thing happening with 15 or 16-year olds.
It’s not like everyone doesn’t drink at 15-16 or earlier already anyways.
Oh shit, I just turned 15. Does this mean I’m going to start drinking? That would really fuck up my fitness plan’s and my plan’s for an engineering job.[/quote]
As someone already said, as long as you’re not a dumbass about it. about 30+ outta the top 50 kids in my class drink/drugs/party whenever possible. And its not hard to not drink… Unless you’re an alcoholic (drinkin non stop) its not gonna mess up your protein absorption aside from the few hours you have the alcohol in your system.
And it probably wont plague you with gyno because of the estrogen either. Edit: Drinking for the sake of not drinking is a plenty good reason to drink if you don’t want to, theres no reason why you NEED to drink, but hey, it can be fun.
But to the point of this topic, as nice as it would be in 1 year 8 months for me to wake up in he morning, buy my own gun and ammo,register to vote and all that jazz, then go shooting in the afternoon, then lock it up, then get wasted that night, its gonna make it even easier for high schoolers to get alcohol, because many high schoolers are 18.
And as lovely as it would be for me to have my friends supplying me with alcohol, i also think it would raise the number of rapes, stds etc. Though I think that after 10 years everything would level out and be fine, I’m not sure if it would be worth it. But also a very good friend of mine was raped by 4 college guys at a party, so that is just like icing on the cake where i say its a extremely bittersweet idea.
It does seem to work in europe, but alcohol is viewed so differently in that culture that i just don’t think it could transfer well without a few years of a transition period.
[quote]zephead4747 wrote:
it sure as hell isn’t productive to bodybuilding. But if you want to celebrate on the weekend with some friends a few times over the school year, don’t worry about it. Life isn’t about the weightroom. There’s a lot of stuff out there to enjoy if you aren’t stupid about it.
Props to you man if you stay sober, but a little relaxation time keeps me sane.
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Yea, I guess I’m lucky to be able to relax whenever I’m playing drums or tbh whenever I’m actually learning something knew that can be applied somewhere.
I guess I just don’t see the need to drink, but I sure as hell am not trying to preach here. To every man his own, as long as it doesn’t fuck with me 
-Also, it’s probably a fault on my side, but I love when people try to piss on me saying that I’m uptight and need to relax more (for not drinking/doing drugs. It reminds me of an article I’ve read on here, where people will try to tear you down for doing something they can’t. --I’m not trying to bash anyone with that statement, just saying how it’s funny being able to relate an article to real people–
[quote]RebornTN wrote:
zephead4747 wrote:
it sure as hell isn’t productive to bodybuilding. But if you want to celebrate on the weekend with some friends a few times over the school year, don’t worry about it. Life isn’t about the weightroom. There’s a lot of stuff out there to enjoy if you aren’t stupid about it.
Props to you man if you stay sober, but a little relaxation time keeps me sane.
Yea, I guess I’m lucky to be able to relax whenever I’m playing drums or tbh whenever I’m actually learning something knew that can be applied somewhere.
I guess I just don’t see the need to drink, but I sure as hell am not trying to preach here. To every man his own, as long as it doesn’t fuck with me
-Also, it’s probably a fault on my side, but I love when people try to piss on me saying that I’m uptight and need to relax more (for not drinking/doing drugs. It reminds me of an article I’ve read on here, where people will try to tear you down for doing something they can’t. --I’m not trying to bash anyone with that statement, just saying how it’s funny being able to relate an article to real people–[/quote]
And that’s perfectly fine. Don’t do something you don’t want to just because some drunk people told you too. Your first tiem drinking (if ever) will be a lot more fun if you actually WANT to do it. I play bass myself, but I’ve layed off it for the past few weeks becuase I’ve been so busy.
[quote]blazindave wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
Old enough to fight for the country is old enough to have a beer in my book.
Agreed 100 percent. If the kid is old enough to be put in jail for life, then he is an adult and can drink, have sex and whatever.
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QFT
The age when alcohol can legally be purchased should be 25.
No more having the college seniors make cash by buying for the younger crowd. Also, 25+ often are beginning to have jobs and families — more afraid of getting busted. The list goes on and on.
Voting and being old enough to fight are positive values. Alcohol is simply a mild poison which does no one any good. There is no positive value to alcohol consumption, except in old people consuming low doses of red wine. The rest is simply a poison.
Besides, the CIA needs the money from the drug trade. :>
[quote]Headhunter wrote:
The age when alcohol can legally be purchased should be 25.
No more having the college seniors make cash by buying for the younger crowd. Also, 25+ often are beginning to have jobs and families — more afraid of getting busted. The list goes on and on.
Voting and being old enough to fight are positive values. Alcohol is simply a mild poison which does no one any good. There is no positive value to alcohol consumption, except in old people consuming low doses of red wine. The rest is simply a poison.
Besides, the CIA needs the money from the drug trade. :>[/quote]
This is retarded. In Germany the legal drinking age is 14-16 and everything is fine.
Treat kids like adults and they will be mature, treat kids like fucking morons and thats exactly what they will act like.
A recent report by some university presidents made an interesting point.
The amount of drinking by those age 18-20 went down, but the rate of hospitalizations for alcohol poisoning from binge drinking nonetheless went up.
Their argument was that when it is legal for those 18-20 to drink at restaurants, bars, or in their campus dorms or wherever, the drinking is in a controlled environment where extreme intoxication is socially unacceptable, and where there is some outside control of behavior.
Prohibiting this group from drinking results in driving it underground where no such restraint exists or exists to much lesser extent, and to where for example the university has absolutely no control or influence over it.
Their recommendation: return the legal drinking age to 18 and that will reduce the problem.
As for arguments such as drunk driving: There are already laws against drunk driving, and anyone who is going to do it regardless of those laws and the extent to which they’re enforced is not going to find the much-lower-penalty and much-weaker-enforced law against their drinking at all to be the deciding factor against.
[quote]blazindave wrote:
This is retarded. In Germany the legal drinking age is 14-16 and everything is fine.
Treat kids like adults and they will be mature, treat kids like fucking morons and thats exactly what they will act like.[/quote]
In Germany they have beer vending machines in the hallways of hotels. They pretty much don’t care about underage drinking over there.
Many years ago, the son of one of my colleague’s was coming home from a dinner to celebrate him getting a perfect score on the ACT. A drunken kid ran a stop sign and killed him. The drunken kid was of course untouched.
I think anyone who kills another person while drunk driving should be hung within 24 hours, with no exceptions or exemptions. That’d cure that little problem.
Alcohol is easy to get because many teens know someone who is barely legal who’ll buy for them. How many 19 year olds are friends with 25 year olds? Much more likely for a younger person to know the barely legal person.
Anyone buying for an underager should get at least one year in a prison camp, at hard labor.
[quote]Mick28 wrote:
Alcohol has done so many positive things for society perhaps we should not have a drinking age. [/quote]
I think it shouldn’t be any of the government’s business.