[quote]orion wrote:
I did not ask whether OBL is seriously deranged, I asked how your derangement differs from his and what makes the US actions fundamentally different from his.
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Obviously, there is no big difference between state sponsored terrorism and “Osama” terrorism. The end result is the same, except state terrorism is much more efficient and executed with cooler weapons.
[quote]orion wrote:
[quote]hedo wrote:
[quote]Schwarzfahrer wrote:
Since they seem all too cowardly, let me help America out.
How about this: since Al Quaida attacked without warning, one could argue that killing civilians and acting genocidal is just a way to ensure no one messes with US and A. Kinda like wiping out villages to flush out partisan irregulars.
“If you attack me from behind, expect to see your whole family slaughtered”.
That implies that a more polite attacker wouldn’t face shock and awe deluxe.
Historically, Germany wasn’t raped that bad once UStroops were over there. Hell they still are!
So I guess either them arabs should take out their Lederhosen and Beer and everything will work out just fine or the incompetent leaders didn’t read the manuals about “nation building in the middle and southern east”.
Assuming they can read at all.[/quote]
Brave enough to keep the Russians out of your beer halls for 60 years. Hell if left to your own devices you would have welcomed them.
Military advice from a German…funny stuff. Never seems to work out for you though.[/quote]
Well, only because we take on the whole world every time.
Nothing less could possibly do.
You failed at Vietnam and Afghanistan so chill…
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Not the whole world, just much stronger and smarter opponents, like osama did.
[quote]orion wrote:
[quote]hedo wrote:
[quote]Schwarzfahrer wrote:
Since they seem all too cowardly, let me help America out.
How about this: since Al Quaida attacked without warning, one could argue that killing civilians and acting genocidal is just a way to ensure no one messes with US and A. Kinda like wiping out villages to flush out partisan irregulars.
“If you attack me from behind, expect to see your whole family slaughtered”.
That implies that a more polite attacker wouldn’t face shock and awe deluxe.
Historically, Germany wasn’t raped that bad once UStroops were over there. Hell they still are!
So I guess either them arabs should take out their Lederhosen and Beer and everything will work out just fine or the incompetent leaders didn’t read the manuals about “nation building in the middle and southern east”.
Assuming they can read at all.[/quote]
Brave enough to keep the Russians out of your beer halls for 60 years. Hell if left to your own devices you would have welcomed them.
Military advice from a German…funny stuff. Never seems to work out for you though.[/quote]
Well, only because we take on the whole world every time.
Nothing less could possibly do.
You failed at Vietnam and Afghanistan so chill…
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1st. Only because we showed restraint. 2nd. It ain’t over yet.
You need to die in a very horrible way.
[quote]Schwarzfahrer wrote:
Since they seem all too cowardly, let me help America out.
How about this: since Al Quaida attacked without warning, one could argue that killing civilians and acting genocidal is just a way to ensure no one messes with US and A. Kinda like wiping out villages to flush out partisan irregulars.
“If you attack me from behind, expect to see your whole family slaughtered”.
That implies that a more polite attacker wouldn’t face shock and awe deluxe.
Historically, Germany wasn’t raped that bad once UStroops were over there. Hell they still are!
So I guess either them arabs should take out their Lederhosen and Beer and everything will work out just fine or the incompetent leaders didn’t read the manuals about “nation building in the middle and southern east”.
Assuming they can read at all.[/quote]
Cowards huh, Internet tough guy. You piece of germen, euro trash. Call a man a coward to his face. Not over a forum. You’ll get a very different reaction.
[quote]kodiak82 wrote:
[quote]Schwarzfahrer wrote:
Since they seem all too cowardly, let me help America out.
How about this: since Al Quaida attacked without warning, one could argue that killing civilians and acting genocidal is just a way to ensure no one messes with US and A. Kinda like wiping out villages to flush out partisan irregulars.
“If you attack me from behind, expect to see your whole family slaughtered”.
That implies that a more polite attacker wouldn’t face shock and awe deluxe.
Historically, Germany wasn’t raped that bad once UStroops were over there. Hell they still are!
So I guess either them arabs should take out their Lederhosen and Beer and everything will work out just fine or the incompetent leaders didn’t read the manuals about “nation building in the middle and southern east”.
Assuming they can read at all.[/quote]
Cowards huh, Internet tough guy. You piece of germen, euro trash. Call a man a coward to his face. Not over a forum. You’ll get a very different reaction. [/quote]
Mebbe, but its not pretty when grown men cry.
[quote]orion wrote:
[quote]kodiak82 wrote:
[quote]Schwarzfahrer wrote:
Since they seem all too cowardly, let me help America out.
How about this: since Al Quaida attacked without warning, one could argue that killing civilians and acting genocidal is just a way to ensure no one messes with US and A. Kinda like wiping out villages to flush out partisan irregulars.
“If you attack me from behind, expect to see your whole family slaughtered”.
That implies that a more polite attacker wouldn’t face shock and awe deluxe.
Historically, Germany wasn’t raped that bad once UStroops were over there. Hell they still are!
So I guess either them arabs should take out their Lederhosen and Beer and everything will work out just fine or the incompetent leaders didn’t read the manuals about “nation building in the middle and southern east”.
Assuming they can read at all.[/quote]
Cowards huh, Internet tough guy. You piece of germen, euro trash. Call a man a coward to his face. Not over a forum. You’ll get a very different reaction. [/quote]
Mebbe, but its not pretty when grown men cry.
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Is that after, I smack you like a little bitch.
[quote]kodiak82 wrote:
[quote]orion wrote:
[quote]hedo wrote:
[quote]Schwarzfahrer wrote:
Since they seem all too cowardly, let me help America out.
How about this: since Al Quaida attacked without warning, one could argue that killing civilians and acting genocidal is just a way to ensure no one messes with US and A. Kinda like wiping out villages to flush out partisan irregulars.
“If you attack me from behind, expect to see your whole family slaughtered”.
That implies that a more polite attacker wouldn’t face shock and awe deluxe.
Historically, Germany wasn’t raped that bad once UStroops were over there. Hell they still are!
So I guess either them arabs should take out their Lederhosen and Beer and everything will work out just fine or the incompetent leaders didn’t read the manuals about “nation building in the middle and southern east”.
Assuming they can read at all.[/quote]
Brave enough to keep the Russians out of your beer halls for 60 years. Hell if left to your own devices you would have welcomed them.
Military advice from a German…funny stuff. Never seems to work out for you though.[/quote]
Well, only because we take on the whole world every time.
Nothing less could possibly do.
You failed at Vietnam and Afghanistan so chill…
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1st. Only because we showed restraint. 2nd. It ain’t over yet.
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There are parts of Southeast Asia that are still recovering from the U.S. military’s “restraint”.
But thanks for playing…
I think that I’m not informed enough to form an opinion.
Unless anyone works in top level government, they probably dont know the truth.
Given that most people would agree we’re just pawns of the government as a few people have said already, I refuse to debate most of the time about this.
However I will say that even at the most religous times, war has happened for “good reason” on both sides. There’s always a divide. There is always fighting.
There are better things to debate than pure speculation.
Ok Orion I’ll bite at the apple here, what federal government agencies do you think they were targeting on 9/11?
[quote]kodiak82 wrote:
[quote]orion wrote:
[quote]kodiak82 wrote:
[quote]Schwarzfahrer wrote:
Since they seem all too cowardly, let me help America out.
How about this: since Al Quaida attacked without warning, one could argue that killing civilians and acting genocidal is just a way to ensure no one messes with US and A. Kinda like wiping out villages to flush out partisan irregulars.
“If you attack me from behind, expect to see your whole family slaughtered”.
That implies that a more polite attacker wouldn’t face shock and awe deluxe.
Historically, Germany wasn’t raped that bad once UStroops were over there. Hell they still are!
So I guess either them arabs should take out their Lederhosen and Beer and everything will work out just fine or the incompetent leaders didn’t read the manuals about “nation building in the middle and southern east”.
Assuming they can read at all.[/quote]
Cowards huh, Internet tough guy. You piece of germen, euro trash. Call a man a coward to his face. Not over a forum. You’ll get a very different reaction. [/quote]
Mebbe, but its not pretty when grown men cry.
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Is that after, I smack you like a little bitch.[/quote]
Yes that would happen immediately after that.
[quote]Chushin wrote:
He he.
In the end, Orion’s statements always boil down to:
“Since my bloodlusting grandparents and their master-race friends were stopped by you all before they could murder even MORE innocents, and my country was thereafter relegated to the status of “impotent,” “irrelevant,” and “insignificant” on the world stage, I can sit back and self-rightously criticize those nations that are major actors in world events.”
Typical child complaing about the “bad” adults…but most children come to understand the reality of things as they grow up.
Sadly, that seems unlikely for Orion or his village-nation.
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You always seem to miss that the fact my country is indeed small and that its government is relatively impotent by default is not necessarily a bad thing.
It means that we can keep an eye on it and that it cannot do to much harm on the world stage, which is not something you could say about your government.
So actually I am quite content with living in an “insignificant” country because it gives me lots of room to live my life the way I want to.
Hey if you mouth off to Austrian cops you do NOT get a taser in the ass, imagine that for a moment. No no-knock raids, no war on drugs, no total (albeit too much) surveillance, no war on drugs, no war on terrorism, no fucking hysteria in 24 hour cable networks.
Interestingly enough you do not care because it seems you are willing to sacrifice all of that
in order to be able to identify with an aggressor that might just as well turn against you one day.
Hell, if you live in the US he already is turning against you.
You are like a battered woman that wants to convince herself and others that their POS husband is really a great guy.
[quote]lanchefan1 wrote:
Ok Orion I’ll bite at the apple here, what federal government agencies do you think they were targeting on 9/11?[/quote]
I do not care, that was not my point.
I was just trying to show that OBL could use the exact same logic the US uses to justify his barbarism.
He warned his opponents - did not work.
He attacked military installations - did not work.
When they helped Israel to lay cities to waste and bombed Muslim countries themselves he decided to take the war to them.
Not only has he shown more restraint than the US, or maybe it was just for lack of resources, but he targeted buildings like the Pentagon, the WTC, probably the White House that “harbored” his enemies.
If we put the same spin on it the US does, how do his actions differ from that of the government of the US, and if it is acceptable to have lots of collateral damages in war, why does that change when he takes the war to you and the collateral damage is American?
[quote]orion wrote:
[quote]lanchefan1 wrote:
Ok Orion I’ll bite at the apple here, what federal government agencies do you think they were targeting on 9/11?[/quote]
I do not care, that was not my point.
I was just trying to show that OBL could use the exact same logic the US uses to justify his barbarism.
He warned his opponents - did not work.
He attacked military installations - did not work.
When they helped Israel to lay cities to waste and bombed Muslim countries themselves he decided to take the war to them.
Not only has he shown more restraint than the US, or maybe it was just for lack of resources, but he targeted buildings like the Pentagon, the WTC, probably the White House that “harbored” his enemies.
If we put the same spin on it the US does, how do his actions differ from that of the government of the US, and if it is acceptable to have lots of collateral damages in war, why does that change when he takes the war to you and the collateral damage is American?
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When our military is attacked, it doesn’t retreat into civilian areas hoping to use human shields.
I agree that the Pentagon and White House were legitimate military targets. The Taliban however, still doesn’t hesitate to kill Afghan citizens who receive humanitarian aid from the US.
[quote]HoratioSandoval wrote:
[quote]orion wrote:
[quote]lanchefan1 wrote:
Ok Orion I’ll bite at the apple here, what federal government agencies do you think they were targeting on 9/11?[/quote]
I do not care, that was not my point.
I was just trying to show that OBL could use the exact same logic the US uses to justify his barbarism.
He warned his opponents - did not work.
He attacked military installations - did not work.
When they helped Israel to lay cities to waste and bombed Muslim countries themselves he decided to take the war to them.
Not only has he shown more restraint than the US, or maybe it was just for lack of resources, but he targeted buildings like the Pentagon, the WTC, probably the White House that “harbored” his enemies.
If we put the same spin on it the US does, how do his actions differ from that of the government of the US, and if it is acceptable to have lots of collateral damages in war, why does that change when he takes the war to you and the collateral damage is American?
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When our military is attacked, it doesn’t retreat into civilian areas hoping to use human shields.
I agree that the Pentagon and White House were legitimate military targets. The Taliban however, still doesn’t hesitate to kill Afghan citizens who receive humanitarian aid from the US.
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I think these are basically two points.
First, the military installation and headquarters were put there by the Sowjets because they were vulnerable in the countryside.
Much like the US the Sowjets only controlled the bigger cities, so naturally the more critical installations were somewhere were they could be defended.
The Taliban simply used what was already there, much in the same way that the US government rented office space in the towers.
Then, to interpret the Taliban sitting in the cities as “hiding behind civilians” means putting a spin in things that can as easily applied to the WTC and its federal occupants.
On a related note, if we accept that the US is “at war” with “terrorism” the Pentagon and the White House were perfectly legitimate targets.
You are not that different, people!
[quote]Chushin wrote:
“Size doesn’t matter” insisted the Austrian with the 3-inch pecker…
Maybe you are OK with being insignificant; doesn’t really matter, though, since you have no choice in the matter anyway.
Of course. Any society of idiots can function fairly well when a group of 10 people is considered “a crushing mob of humanity,” and 3 miles is as far as you go before you leave the “country.”
Oh, and you forgot to mention the Austrian cop epidemic of corruption, and the society where men make little girls into sex slaves and dongeon captives for decades, and yet no one “noticed” anything. Hey, isn’t that what you all said as the ovens were going full tilt, too?
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You are like a battered woman that wants to convince herself and others that their POS husband is really a great guy. [/quote]
MadLib!!! “You are like a short, ugly, flat-chested woman that wants to convince herself and others that being ignored by any and all men doesn’t REALLY matter becuse she is ‘happy’” said the honest Austrian as he looked in the mirror.[/quote]
Well first of all, you seem to confuse us with Liechtenstein.
Second, our perverts hold their captives in cellars, your perverts in a woodshed in the back of the garden.
Third, our police corruption is held well in check, they only take money from the red light district and steal a little drug money every now and then. Compared to a systemic militarization of even the most rural police forces and federal agencies with basically unchecked powers I take our police any day of the week.
Fourth, someone who wants to be part of something “significant”, and be it something highly destructive and coercive should probably refrain from speculating about other peoples penis size.
Addendum: Well I guess that one should refrain from specukating about other peoples penis size in all circumstances because if someones penis was indeed very small that would be most unfortunate and could not he helped, which is not sopmething that can be said about a certain ignorance and immaturity emmanating from your posts.
Looks like Orion really, really needs some attention.
Ok I see your reply it got lost in the post.