First Post so what’s up to you all.
I’ll try and make my question as clear as possible; so I will give you all relevant info to date.
Just starting my TRT journey and I have down quite a bit of reading and listening from a variety of places before making the move. I was originally prescribed 200mg cypionate per week infused with Anastrozole. Plus getting Gonadorelin Acetate at 0.5ml 2x a week prescribed.
So through my research, almost anyone who had an educated opinion was against both “T” infused with an AI and/or an AI at all, prior to seeing first Labs.
So I told the clinic either I get straight Cyp without an AI; or I will go elsewhere to do so. They agreed and its on its way. So my question is, as per Bossa, shouldn’t I start at a lower dosage and work my way up to trying to find a “sweet spot”?
Im also going to be dosing every other day regardless of the weekly dose.
Right know my Test is at 225, with free at around 11, and Estradiol at 16.8 for what that’s worth.
Sorry for long winded post, but always fine that more information is better than less. All responses are appreciated. Thanks
That’s what I’d do… Try start with 100-125mg. I’m not a doctor, but for MANY that’s already enough to make a world of difference.
Well, i wouldn’t always follow the advice of danny bossa, but i agree that Ai shouldn’t be used unless needed.
RE dosing;Id start low, 100-125mg/wk as mentioned by @unreal24278 seems quite reasonable.
I agree with @unreal24278 and @Andrewgen_Receptors regarding a proper starting dose. Your prescribed dose of 200mg/wk is rather high and will more than likely put you above range. However, I’m not a fan of hiding such a massive deviation from a Doctor monitored program. Especially from the start. I think you would be best off discussing with your doc your comfort with a lower dose. You could do follow up labs a little early, say 4-6 weeks if you are concerned and make sure your TT/FT are in the right direction.
blshaw I agree with you on not to hiding it from Doc, and all of you seem to be in agreement that the dose seems a little high as a starting point. Here’s the thing with the “Doctor monitored” program. I was less than thrilled with my Video appointment after getting my Labs done and talking to this guy. While I’m well aware that I’m just one of the cattle being hearded,at my own doing of course, but to say it was impersonal would be an understatement . It seemed to annoy him that I asked about dosing every other day, just a bad fibe overall. Which is what lead to me lstart ooking into the whole AI and infused Cyp,never even knew that ws a thing. So I kind of feel that my best interest aren’t really a concern from the get go, as much as its to throw the dart and if it hits the sheetrock we’ll just spackle it and try another toss. My thought is to start with 125mg a week done every other day and get labs done in 4-5 weeks and see where I’m at from a blood, physical, and mental point of view. Sound like a good plan and safe?
FYI 'Im 57 and starting from scratch. Lifted hard and heavy in my 20’s and 30’s, used Substanon 250, Dbol, Equipoise, and Tren back in the day. Separately at different times,not as a stack. Appreciate your time, and insite.
Definitely not a fan of that protocol, Cyp is a long ester, once a week likely enough, twice at most.
Cheers
Thanks Beez.
Agreed. Cyp once a week works for most and twice a week is fine too. I do twice a week but honestly don’t notice a difference over once a week.
@Fifty-Plus i know you already spent some money with this doc but he does sound less than ideal for your TRT practitioner. Have you thought about switching?
Go somewhere else. Unwilling to discuss options with you, cookie cutter treatment approach, initial consultation has you on the internet on a fact finding mission (yes, I know, my patients do that but not immediately after spending an hour with me and starting, it may be months later and because they are excited and wanting to learn more) and gonadorelin, why?
Move on.
blshaw It’s a bummer to think about switching when I havent even taken my first shot yet. My thought process is this: I already paid for the Labs and first order which is Cyp 200mg/ml 10 ml bottle and all the accessories. Plus the AI in pill form and the Gonadorelin injectable with all the accessories. So I’m gonna start at 125mg per week and split into 2 injections per week at 62.5mg to my first labs results are done.
Highpull as far as why on the Gonadorelin, ill ask you why.
From my understanding it allow your body to keep producing test while on TRT and in return your balls dont shrink to raisins. Also it seem to have something to do with keeping Fertility if you still want to have kids. Of course this is my simple laymen’s understanding and please correct me, im here to learn as well.
Thanks
Your understanding is good enough. A few questions:
I assumed you are over 50 years of age. Are you interested in having children? If no, you do not need to take gonadorelin. If yes, now? If no, you do not need to spend the money on gonadorelin at this time. If yes, then gonadorelin is one option.
Does testicular atrophy concern you? If no, then the answer is obvious. If it does, would it make sense to start TRT and see how you respond? While common, many guys report no change in testicular size. Some of them, particularly those with lower testosterone levels to begin with, are not starting TRT with larger testicles anyway. It’s a personal choice, of course, but you could wait and see how you respond and if you are uncomfortable with it, add something from there. Results are quick, hCG will plump up the boys in one to two weeks.
What’s your injection schedule? I don’t like that 2X/week is necessarily imbalanced (unless you do one injection before bed).
I pin Sunday mornings and Weds after work. 70mg Test Cyp each pin.
You can do exactly 3.5 days intervals, 8am Monday, 8pm Thursday for example (ive tried that) but really not necessary.
You wont be able to tell a few hours either way.
Why on earth would you infuse test with an A.I.?
From a medical point that makes no sense at all as it doesn’t allow for changing the doses independently.
You want to be starting on test only, or test and HCG if fertility is important still.
Other compounds later if they’re absolutely necessary.
Change doctor
@roadie @highpull
I completely agree and thats why I told them either straight test or I move along. They did exactly that, canceled that order and getting stuff today (Tuesday). I’m so excited,early Christms present to myself! As far as the ball shrinkage, rather not have them get to small. Back when I was younger and using, my balls literally shrunk to where I became nervous. Plus just divorced and hopefully someone new will be hold n’em. Thanks for the replies guys, much appreciated!