[quote]therajraj wrote:
I’m no parent nor have I worked with kids.
I think age 10-12 is way too early for someone to determine they are gay/straight/transgender.
If at 16-17 they want to live an alternative lifestyle fine. But until then you’ll be groomed to be a boy if you have a pair of testicles
[/quote]
Okay, this is starting to spook me out. That’s what, three times now, that I’ve completely agreed with you?
(^_~)
I don’t think your comparisons are valid at all. Do we suppress certain urges on a regular basis? Sure we do. But suppressing who you ARE is entirely different from not caving into every temptation possible. We exercise restraint, but not to the point where we can’t be who we are.
There is NO comparison whatsoever with having to wear a suit to work in a profession that mandates as much and living out the gender role you were born into. The fact is that if you were a transgendered man you would NOT have to conform and wear a suit to work. Your right to be free of employment discrimination based on sexuality is protected in this nature, and for a reason.
You don’t tell your kid “oh, you don’t GET to be transgendered.” No, the kid either is or he isn’t. If he isn’t, then wearing a dress is just some silly phase he’s going through and as much as most people on this site would be horrified at the thought of having a gay or transgendered child and will do whatever they can to suppress this, wearing a dress isn’t a definitive sign that this is the case. And if he IS transgendered then it’s entirely inappropriate to expect him to suppress this.
No one expects you to suppress the gender role that you were born into. No, you can’t act on every urge and you can’t just start saying and doing things that many find offensive simply because you think it’s masculine. There is a certain amount of respect that we must show others while we play out these gender roles, and THAT is where the suppression occurs.
And of course being gay or transgendered is a natural occurrence. Do you think people just CHOOSE to be gay or transgendered? There are many examples of transgendered children, the friend I mentioned being one, who were so confused at such an early age because they didn’t have any concept of sexuality and gender at that point. If they aren’t even equipped to make a choice about something they have NO concept about, how they can be choosing that path? If people CHOOSE to be gay or transgendered and this is not a natural occurrence, wouldn’t it then follow that being straight and traditionally gendered is also chosen? So at what age did you make the conscious decision to wear men’s clothing and start being attracted to women?
You didn’t. It just happened. You felt normal and in the proper role wearing men’s clothing and you just ARE attracted to women. I don’t remember CHOOSING to pop a huge boner when sweet little Jacquelyn Compton came back from summer vacation with the biggest tits in the class when I was a kid. It just happened because that’s how I was born.
Also Cortes, while we don’t always get what we want, we DO get some things. One of those things is the ability to live within the gender role we were born into, no matter how much it flies in the face of that kid’s parents’ values.
[quote]Derek542 wrote:
[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:
[quote]Derek542 wrote:
[quote]therajraj wrote:
I’m no parent nor have I worked with kids.
I think age 10-12 is way too early for someone to determine they are gay/straight/transgender.
If at 16-17 they want to live an alternative lifestyle fine. But until then you’ll be groomed to be a boy if you have a pair of testicles
[/quote]
What age did you start fapping?
I was 12 my Freshman year of High School[/quote]
You were 12 in 9th grade? What?.. did they push you ahead, Genius?
[/quote]
Just started school early. What sucked was I was the last person to get my DL, didnt get to drive until half way through my Junior year. [/quote]
Wouldn’t that mean you didn’t get to drive until your senior year?
[quote]Cortes wrote:
2. Finally. Your entire argument above assumes as fact that transgender, transvestite, transsexual, bisexual, asexual, undecided, gay, lesbian, whatever, that all of these sexual deviancies are natural and innate to the human condition.
I don’t know that that is true and it sure as hell has never been PROVEN to be true, and I’d just as soon prefer to err on the side of caution and have my boys suck it up and put on a belt and a pair of trousers, even if they want to wear a kilt. Because it’s just as possible, from where I’m sitting, to say that maybe it’s lax parenting and a cowardly fear of conflict masquerading as libertinism that is causing all of this gender confusion in the first place.
[/quote]
Welp, back to regularly disagreeing, heh.
[quote]DBCooper wrote:
[quote]Derek542 wrote:
[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:
[quote]Derek542 wrote:
[quote]therajraj wrote:
I’m no parent nor have I worked with kids.
I think age 10-12 is way too early for someone to determine they are gay/straight/transgender.
If at 16-17 they want to live an alternative lifestyle fine. But until then you’ll be groomed to be a boy if you have a pair of testicles
[/quote]
What age did you start fapping?
I was 12 my Freshman year of High School[/quote]
You were 12 in 9th grade? What?.. did they push you ahead, Genius?
[/quote]
Just started school early. What sucked was I was the last person to get my DL, didnt get to drive until half way through my Junior year. [/quote]
Wouldn’t that mean you didn’t get to drive until your senior year?[/quote]
Yep shit off a year, Im old leave me alone.
[quote]DBCooper wrote:
@Cortes:
I don’t think your comparisons are valid at all. Do we suppress certain urges on a regular basis? Sure we do. But suppressing who you ARE is entirely different from not caving into every temptation possible. We exercise restraint, but not to the point where we can’t be who we are.
There is NO comparison whatsoever with having to wear a suit to work in a profession that mandates as much and living out the gender role you were born into. The fact is that if you were a transgendered man you would NOT have to conform and wear a suit to work. Your right to be free of employment discrimination based on sexuality is protected in this nature, and for a reason.
You don’t tell your kid “oh, you don’t GET to be transgendered.” No, the kid either is or he isn’t. If he isn’t, then wearing a dress is just some silly phase he’s going through and as much as most people on this site would be horrified at the thought of having a gay or transgendered child and will do whatever they can to suppress this, wearing a dress isn’t a definitive sign that this is the case. And if he IS transgendered then it’s entirely inappropriate to expect him to suppress this.
No one expects you to suppress the gender role that you were born into. No, you can’t act on every urge and you can’t just start saying and doing things that many find offensive simply because you think it’s masculine. There is a certain amount of respect that we must show others while we play out these gender roles, and THAT is where the suppression occurs.
And of course being gay or transgendered is a natural occurrence. Do you think people just CHOOSE to be gay or transgendered? There are many examples of transgendered children, the friend I mentioned being one, who were so confused at such an early age because they didn’t have any concept of sexuality and gender at that point. If they aren’t even equipped to make a choice about something they have NO concept about, how they can be choosing that path? If people CHOOSE to be gay or transgendered and this is not a natural occurrence, wouldn’t it then follow that being straight and traditionally gendered is also chosen? So at what age did you make the conscious decision to wear men’s clothing and start being attracted to women?
You didn’t. It just happened. You felt normal and in the proper role wearing men’s clothing and you just ARE attracted to women. I don’t remember CHOOSING to pop a huge boner when sweet little Jacquelyn Compton came back from summer vacation with the biggest tits in the class when I was a kid. It just happened because that’s how I was born.
[/quote]
Statistically you are speaking about a very, very, very small % of people in the world who are true Transgendered. It also takes a long time to determine that, it makes no sense to raise a child with the almost insignificant possibility that they are transgendered.
How many of those are also not true and are again just fucking looking for attention?
[quote]Derek542 wrote:
[quote]DBCooper wrote:
[quote]Derek542 wrote:
[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:
[quote]Derek542 wrote:
[quote]therajraj wrote:
I’m no parent nor have I worked with kids.
I think age 10-12 is way too early for someone to determine they are gay/straight/transgender.
If at 16-17 they want to live an alternative lifestyle fine. But until then you’ll be groomed to be a boy if you have a pair of testicles
[/quote]
What age did you start fapping?
I was 12 my Freshman year of High School[/quote]
You were 12 in 9th grade? What?.. did they push you ahead, Genius?
[/quote]
Just started school early. What sucked was I was the last person to get my DL, didnt get to drive until half way through my Junior year. [/quote]
Wouldn’t that mean you didn’t get to drive until your senior year?[/quote]
Yep shit off a year, Im old leave me alone. [/quote]
So were you banging chicks in the same grade as you or the chicks a grade or two behind you for the most part? Did you get spoiled right from the start by older pussy?
At the same time if a boy has latent homosexual tendencies or acts effimeniate I’m not going to try and “correct” these traits.
I am strictly speaking about adolescents dressing up as the opposite sex before they even hit their teen years. Before 16-17 I would chalk up their behaviour to being nothing more than curiousity/testing boundaries.
[quote]DBCooper wrote:
Also Cortes, while we don’t always get what we want, we DO get some things. One of those things is the ability to live within the gender role we were born into, no matter how much it flies in the face of that kid’s parents’ values.[/quote]
You missed the point I was trying to make. It wasn’t that wearing a suit served as a form of repression. It was that a parent’s job is to teach his kid that “Yeah, I know you don’t want to do this. Do it anyway.”
If my kid is going to potentially turn into a serial killer because he didn’t get to wear his tutu and toe shoes to school, that’s a chance I’m willing to take.
You’re a writer. I’m sure you know what working within certain constrictive forms during your apprenticeship, such as the sestina or the super-short story, serves a number of extremely valuable purposes. It teaches, concentration, discipline, attention to detail, respect for the craft, forces the writer out of his comfort zone and serves as exercise, strengthening us in our art. It also cultivates a respect for and appreciation of authors whom we may otherwise have ignored.
I’m sure you also know of some, usually college-aged “writers” who’ve never exercised a second of discipline in their lives. Who champion “free verse” and whose prose is not much better than some of the gurgling cat piss found in these forums.
I’m saying that little kids need the former before they can make the decision, as informed, experienced adults, whether or not to spend every day dressed as Ariel. Childhood is not the time for throwing plastic young minds into the roiling pit of vipers that is…well, just about any American school environment I can think of.
[quote]therajraj wrote:
[quote]Cortes wrote:
2. Finally. Your entire argument above assumes as fact that transgender, transvestite, transsexual, bisexual, asexual, undecided, gay, lesbian, whatever, that all of these sexual deviancies are natural and innate to the human condition.
I don’t know that that is true and it sure as hell has never been PROVEN to be true, and I’d just as soon prefer to err on the side of caution and have my boys suck it up and put on a belt and a pair of trousers, even if they want to wear a kilt. Because it’s just as possible, from where I’m sitting, to say that maybe it’s lax parenting and a cowardly fear of conflict masquerading as libertinism that is causing all of this gender confusion in the first place.
[/quote]
Welp, back to regularly disagreeing, heh.[/quote]
Had you in mind when I wrote that one, raj. (^_~)
[quote]therajraj wrote:
[quote]Cortes wrote:
2. Finally. Your entire argument above assumes as fact that transgender, transvestite, transsexual, bisexual, asexual, undecided, gay, lesbian, whatever, that all of these sexual deviancies are natural and innate to the human condition.
I don’t know that that is true and it sure as hell has never been PROVEN to be true, and I’d just as soon prefer to err on the side of caution and have my boys suck it up and put on a belt and a pair of trousers, even if they want to wear a kilt. Because it’s just as possible, from where I’m sitting, to say that maybe it’s lax parenting and a cowardly fear of conflict masquerading as libertinism that is causing all of this gender confusion in the first place.
[/quote]
Welp, back to regularly disagreeing, heh.[/quote]
Yeah, seriously. The entirely overt implication here is that being transgendered is wrong. It is the wrong choice.
That simply is a poor, saddening attitude. I also don’t understand the religious justification for holding this view.
How much is anti-homosexuality really a matter of church doctrine anyways? Do we go to church to band together as anti-gay people? No, we go to church and worship whatever God it is we believe in because it’s a way of life we believe is the right one. And what is the FAR more prevalent, overriding theme in Christian religions? Is it anti-homosexuality? No, it’s about love and acceptance forgiveness. I don’t think we need to forgive anyone for being born the way God made them, but we should love and accept them, even if it means that some children will make fun of them.
I think it’s beyond disgusting when people use their religion as a way to justify hatred and bigotry. The much bigger theme in Christianity is to do unto others what you would have done unto you. I can’t imagine that any of these fundamental Christians who hold this Biblical, anti-homosexual view would want their lifestyles to be constantly attacked, legislated against and condemned as a sin or as unnatural.
[quote]Derek542 wrote:
[quote]DBCooper wrote:
@Cortes:
I don’t think your comparisons are valid at all. Do we suppress certain urges on a regular basis? Sure we do. But suppressing who you ARE is entirely different from not caving into every temptation possible. We exercise restraint, but not to the point where we can’t be who we are.
There is NO comparison whatsoever with having to wear a suit to work in a profession that mandates as much and living out the gender role you were born into. The fact is that if you were a transgendered man you would NOT have to conform and wear a suit to work. Your right to be free of employment discrimination based on sexuality is protected in this nature, and for a reason.
You don’t tell your kid “oh, you don’t GET to be transgendered.” No, the kid either is or he isn’t. If he isn’t, then wearing a dress is just some silly phase he’s going through and as much as most people on this site would be horrified at the thought of having a gay or transgendered child and will do whatever they can to suppress this, wearing a dress isn’t a definitive sign that this is the case. And if he IS transgendered then it’s entirely inappropriate to expect him to suppress this.
No one expects you to suppress the gender role that you were born into. No, you can’t act on every urge and you can’t just start saying and doing things that many find offensive simply because you think it’s masculine. There is a certain amount of respect that we must show others while we play out these gender roles, and THAT is where the suppression occurs.
And of course being gay or transgendered is a natural occurrence. Do you think people just CHOOSE to be gay or transgendered? There are many examples of transgendered children, the friend I mentioned being one, who were so confused at such an early age because they didn’t have any concept of sexuality and gender at that point. If they aren’t even equipped to make a choice about something they have NO concept about, how they can be choosing that path? If people CHOOSE to be gay or transgendered and this is not a natural occurrence, wouldn’t it then follow that being straight and traditionally gendered is also chosen? So at what age did you make the conscious decision to wear men’s clothing and start being attracted to women?
You didn’t. It just happened. You felt normal and in the proper role wearing men’s clothing and you just ARE attracted to women. I don’t remember CHOOSING to pop a huge boner when sweet little Jacquelyn Compton came back from summer vacation with the biggest tits in the class when I was a kid. It just happened because that’s how I was born.
[/quote]
Statistically you are speaking about a very, very, very small % of people in the world who are true Transgendered. It also takes a long time to determine that, it makes no sense to raise a child with the almost insignificant possibility that they are transgendered.
How many of those are also not true and are again just fucking looking for attention? [/quote]
Yes.
And I will sound like an ass to you guys who are not parents, but to those of us who are parents, the idea the you would willfully allow your child to engage in behavior that you know to almost 100% certainty is going to be harmful and painful to him, just about beggars belief in its stupidity.
[quote]DBCooper wrote:
[quote]Derek542 wrote:
[quote]DBCooper wrote:
[quote]Derek542 wrote:
[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:
[quote]Derek542 wrote:
[quote]therajraj wrote:
I’m no parent nor have I worked with kids.
I think age 10-12 is way too early for someone to determine they are gay/straight/transgender.
If at 16-17 they want to live an alternative lifestyle fine. But until then you’ll be groomed to be a boy if you have a pair of testicles
[/quote]
What age did you start fapping?
I was 12 my Freshman year of High School[/quote]
You were 12 in 9th grade? What?.. did they push you ahead, Genius?
[/quote]
Just started school early. What sucked was I was the last person to get my DL, didnt get to drive until half way through my Junior year. [/quote]
Wouldn’t that mean you didn’t get to drive until your senior year?[/quote]
Yep shit off a year, Im old leave me alone. [/quote]
So were you banging chicks in the same grade as you or the chicks a grade or two behind you for the most part? Did you get spoiled right from the start by older pussy?[/quote]
You know good question, first one at 13 was a 16 year old and pretty much was always older women except for my X-Wife. My wife now is 2 days older, I call her a cougar all the time 
[quote]DBCooper wrote:
blah blah blah religion blah blah blah the religion blah blah the dumb religious people blah
[/quote]
What, you don’t have a real argument so you’re making up my position now?
How very intellectual of you.
[quote]Cortes wrote:
[quote]DBCooper wrote:
Also Cortes, while we don’t always get what we want, we DO get some things. One of those things is the ability to live within the gender role we were born into, no matter how much it flies in the face of that kid’s parents’ values.[/quote]
You missed the point I was trying to make. It wasn’t that wearing a suit served as a form of repression. It was that a parent’s job is to teach his kid that “Yeah, I know you don’t want to do this. Do it anyway.”
If my kid is going to potentially turn into a serial killer because he didn’t get to wear his tutu and toe shoes to school, that’s a chance I’m willing to take.
You’re a writer. I’m sure you know what working within certain constrictive forms during your apprenticeship, such as the sestina or the super-short story, serves a number of extremely valuable purposes. It teaches, concentration, discipline, attention to detail, respect for the craft, forces the writer out of his comfort zone and serves as exercise, strengthening us in our art. It also cultivates a respect for and appreciation of authors whom we may otherwise have ignored.
I’m sure you also know of some, usually college-aged “writers” who’ve never exercised a second of discipline in their lives. Who champion “free verse” and whose prose is not much better than some of the gurgling cat piss found in these forums.
I’m saying that little kids need the former before they can make the decision, as informed, experienced adults, whether or not to spend every day dressed as Ariel. Childhood is not the time for throwing plastic young minds into the roiling pit of vipers that is…well, just about any American school environment I can think of. [/quote]
Who I am and what I write are not comparable and do not belong in the same discussion.
I understand that instilling some discipline and that sort of thing is important. This is simply not one of those moments. Telling a transgendered kid he can’t dress like a girl at school is no different than telling a gay kid that he can’t be attracted to boys, or vice versa.
I get your point. Essentially, what you are saying is that it is wrong to write in a certain style when another is called for. This would be appropriately analogous except for one thing: it is NOT WRONG to be transgendered and to express as much.
Let me repeat that because most of your argument seems to spring from this underlying assumption: THERE IS NOTHING WRONG WITH BE TRANSGENDERED AND EXPRESSING IT.
However, there IS something wrong with making fun of a child for being who he is. If a kid goes to school with a yarmulke on and gets made fun of, do you abandon religious tradition and legitimize the bullies then? No. If a kid is blind as a bat and has to wear thick glasses and can’t get contacts, when the kids make fun of him for his glasses do you send him to school without them? No. If a black kid goes to school and gets made fun of for being black, do his parents send him to school with white makeup on? No.
[quote]DBCooper wrote:
[quote]Cortes wrote:
[quote]DBCooper wrote:
Also Cortes, while we don’t always get what we want, we DO get some things. One of those things is the ability to live within the gender role we were born into, no matter how much it flies in the face of that kid’s parents’ values.[/quote]
You missed the point I was trying to make. It wasn’t that wearing a suit served as a form of repression. It was that a parent’s job is to teach his kid that “Yeah, I know you don’t want to do this. Do it anyway.”
If my kid is going to potentially turn into a serial killer because he didn’t get to wear his tutu and toe shoes to school, that’s a chance I’m willing to take.
You’re a writer. I’m sure you know what working within certain constrictive forms during your apprenticeship, such as the sestina or the super-short story, serves a number of extremely valuable purposes. It teaches, concentration, discipline, attention to detail, respect for the craft, forces the writer out of his comfort zone and serves as exercise, strengthening us in our art. It also cultivates a respect for and appreciation of authors whom we may otherwise have ignored.
I’m sure you also know of some, usually college-aged “writers” who’ve never exercised a second of discipline in their lives. Who champion “free verse” and whose prose is not much better than some of the gurgling cat piss found in these forums.
I’m saying that little kids need the former before they can make the decision, as informed, experienced adults, whether or not to spend every day dressed as Ariel. Childhood is not the time for throwing plastic young minds into the roiling pit of vipers that is…well, just about any American school environment I can think of. [/quote]
Who I am and what I write are not comparable and do not belong in the same discussion.
I understand that instilling some discipline and that sort of thing is important. This is simply not one of those moments. Telling a transgendered kid he can’t dress like a girl at school is no different than telling a gay kid that he can’t be attracted to boys, or vice versa.
I get your point. Essentially, what you are saying is that it is wrong to write in a certain style when another is called for. This would be appropriately analogous except for one thing: it is NOT WRONG to be transgendered and to express as much.
Let me repeat that because most of your argument seems to spring from this underlying assumption: THERE IS NOTHING WRONG WITH BE TRANSGENDERED AND EXPRESSING IT.
However, there IS something wrong with making fun of a child for being who he is. If a kid goes to school with a yarmulke on and gets made fun of, do you abandon religious tradition and legitimize the bullies then? No. If a kid is blind as a bat and has to wear thick glasses and can’t get contacts, when the kids make fun of him for his glasses do you send him to school without them? No. If a black kid goes to school and gets made fun of for being black, do his parents send him to school with white makeup on? No.[/quote]
Good grief, I NEVER STATED THERE WAS ANYTHING WRONG WITH BEING TRANSGENDERED AND EXPRESSING IT. I do have my doubts as to the reality of the condition in most cases, but that’s not important to my point.
But if the kid has a wiener and will be using the boys bathroom, then he will have to learn to BE himself while DRESSING like a normal kid. If he later, when he is old enough to decide for himself, wants to start dressing like a woman and doing whatever else it is he needs to to feel comfortable, then that will be his decision. But to allow your 9 year old kid to dress like a ballerina at school isn’t even on the same game board as a yarmulke or thick glasses. It approaches criminal negligence.
You’re telling me, with a straight face, that if that kid in the video was your son, you would ALLOW him to go everywhere dressed like that? Is that what you’re saying?
And what’s with the endless refrain that it’s wrong to make fun of kids for this and that? We all know that. But that IS what’s going to happen. And if he’s dressed like a ballerina but is known to possess a wiener, it’s going to be hell on earth for him. At best, he won’t know what a normal childhood feels like. Any friends he makes are going to be friends of necessity, who are misfits just like him.
It’s one thing to be a little flitty, and something completely different to surrender all social trappings and do something that more than 99% of the population will find weird and revolting.
[quote]Derek542 wrote:
[quote]DBCooper wrote:
@Cortes:
I don’t think your comparisons are valid at all. Do we suppress certain urges on a regular basis? Sure we do. But suppressing who you ARE is entirely different from not caving into every temptation possible. We exercise restraint, but not to the point where we can’t be who we are.
There is NO comparison whatsoever with having to wear a suit to work in a profession that mandates as much and living out the gender role you were born into. The fact is that if you were a transgendered man you would NOT have to conform and wear a suit to work. Your right to be free of employment discrimination based on sexuality is protected in this nature, and for a reason.
You don’t tell your kid “oh, you don’t GET to be transgendered.” No, the kid either is or he isn’t. If he isn’t, then wearing a dress is just some silly phase he’s going through and as much as most people on this site would be horrified at the thought of having a gay or transgendered child and will do whatever they can to suppress this, wearing a dress isn’t a definitive sign that this is the case. And if he IS transgendered then it’s entirely inappropriate to expect him to suppress this.
No one expects you to suppress the gender role that you were born into. No, you can’t act on every urge and you can’t just start saying and doing things that many find offensive simply because you think it’s masculine. There is a certain amount of respect that we must show others while we play out these gender roles, and THAT is where the suppression occurs.
And of course being gay or transgendered is a natural occurrence. Do you think people just CHOOSE to be gay or transgendered? There are many examples of transgendered children, the friend I mentioned being one, who were so confused at such an early age because they didn’t have any concept of sexuality and gender at that point. If they aren’t even equipped to make a choice about something they have NO concept about, how they can be choosing that path? If people CHOOSE to be gay or transgendered and this is not a natural occurrence, wouldn’t it then follow that being straight and traditionally gendered is also chosen? So at what age did you make the conscious decision to wear men’s clothing and start being attracted to women?
You didn’t. It just happened. You felt normal and in the proper role wearing men’s clothing and you just ARE attracted to women. I don’t remember CHOOSING to pop a huge boner when sweet little Jacquelyn Compton came back from summer vacation with the biggest tits in the class when I was a kid. It just happened because that’s how I was born.
[/quote]
Statistically you are speaking about a very, very, very small % of people in the world who are true Transgendered. It also takes a long time to determine that, it makes no sense to raise a child with the almost insignificant possibility that they are transgendered.
How many of those are also not true and are again just fucking looking for attention? [/quote]
Who cares if they’re looking for attention? There isn’t anything wrong with it in and of itself.
And yes, statistically speaking there are not many transgendered children. But I would be willing to bet that a huge majority of children who crossdress to the point where they’ll undergo ridicule at school ARE transgendered.
And here’s some significant statistics:
53% of LGBT students report being verbally abused by faculty and staff for their homosexuality or gender
90% of LGBTstudents report being verbally abused by their classmates
4 out of 5 LGBT students report not knowing One. SIngle. Supportive. Adult
80% of LGBT students have significant problems with cognitive, emotional and social isolation
50% of LGBT students report that neither parent supports their sexuality or gender
Depression strikes the LGBT student community at a rate 4 to 5 times that of the general student population
65% of LGBT students feel physically unsafe at school
41% of LGBT students have been physically assaulted by classmates, their parents or other people
33% of transgendered children have attempted suicide, more than 3 times the rate of the general student population
I’m sorry, but you’d have to be a complete monster to look at these statistics and decide that the solution is teaching your kid how to better hide his or her gender/sexuality.
We shouldn’t be teaching our kids to hide shit like that. We should be teaching them that there isn’t anything wrong with being transgendered, because THAT is the attitude that leads to all this persecutory behavior in the first place.
[quote]Cortes wrote:
[quote]DBCooper wrote:
blah blah blah religion blah blah blah the religion blah blah the dumb religious people blah
[/quote]
What, you don’t have a real argument so you’re making up my position now?
How very intellectual of you.[/quote]
I wasn’t making up your stance, I was simply building on a thought that came to mind when I was responding to Raj. Don’t take it so personally.