[quote]Severiano wrote:
He prayed on women that most others forget about… Perhaps the lowest of the low, weakest of the weak? I don’t mind people holding back judgment until he’s convicted, but at the same time I don’t see how anyone could defend this under the label of some liberal attack. There’s way too many women making the claim for this to be nothing. [/quote]
You underestimate the power of the Liberal Machine.[/quote]
Oh I don’t think I do underestimate them at all. It took me a while to chime in on this because it took me a while to figure out that I’m also kinda pissed off at Hannibal for the way he brought this all to the forefront.
Basically, he couldn’t work with Cosby because Cosby didn’t want to work with him. He bitched, not because of the travesty of Cosby being a serial rapist, but because Cosby wouldn’t work with him. So, Hannibal fans need to check themselves, he didn’t really give a shit about those women, he just wanted to expose Cosby… And, he did!
The reality is, sometimes the agents of change in the world are flawed people with intentions attached in a selfish way.
[quote]Severiano wrote:
So, to my knowledge what really happened is a comedian brought attention to Cosby. Cosby wouldn’t work with him because he uses profanity in his comedy. He responded by doing his own standup, blasting Cosby… Essentially saying, I may curse, but at least I don’t rape folks. Angry Birds star Hannibal Buress: Bill Cosby is a rapist | Daily Mail Online
From what I gather the above went viral, to the point the media couldn’t ignore it anymore. Think Reddit, lots of younger folks. And, then because of the attention brought about by the comedian, the media HAD to start talking about it because it’s a story now.
C’mon, all you good Christian Conservatives. He’s reaping what he sewed, he should have it much worse. You don’t go from zero to a bunch of women claiming they were assaulted or raped by you. And, it’s the same story with multiple women, he uses booze and drugs to fuck them up and then they wake up sore. He seemed to pick out women who he could easily cast doubt on as well, and he has nothing to say about it?
He prayed on women that most others forget about… Perhaps the lowest of the low, weakest of the weak? I don’t mind people holding back judgment until he’s convicted, but at the same time I don’t see how anyone could defend this under the label of some liberal attack. There’s way too many women making the claim for this to be nothing. [/quote]
You can, indeed, go from zero to multiple claims. Any well publicized allegation will have numerous people hopping on the bandwagon. The similarity of the stories can be construed as a weakness, just as it can be construed as a strength.
These remain allegations, not facts.
[quote]Severiano wrote:
So, to my knowledge what really happened is a comedian brought attention to Cosby. Cosby wouldn’t work with him because he uses profanity in his comedy. He responded by doing his own standup, blasting Cosby… Essentially saying, I may curse, but at least I don’t rape folks. Angry Birds star Hannibal Buress: Bill Cosby is a rapist | Daily Mail Online
From what I gather the above went viral, to the point the media couldn’t ignore it anymore. Think Reddit, lots of younger folks. And, then because of the attention brought about by the comedian, the media HAD to start talking about it because it’s a story now.
C’mon, all you good Christian Conservatives. He’s reaping what he sewed, he should have it much worse. You don’t go from zero to a bunch of women claiming they were assaulted or raped by you. And, it’s the same story with multiple women, he uses booze and drugs to fuck them up and then they wake up sore. He seemed to pick out women who he could easily cast doubt on as well, and he has nothing to say about it?
He prayed on women that most others forget about… Perhaps the lowest of the low, weakest of the weak? I don’t mind people holding back judgment until he’s convicted, but at the same time I don’t see how anyone could defend this under the label of some liberal attack. There’s way too many women making the claim for this to be nothing. [/quote]
You can, indeed, go from zero to multiple claims. Any well publicized allegation will have numerous people hopping on the bandwagon. The similarity of the stories can be construed as a weakness, just as it can be construed as a strength.
These remain allegations, not facts. [/quote]
It looks like he has such a reputation that he has a known modus operandi… That is generally drugging women and preying on those he can easily cast doubt on. That many women have come forward is pretty damning to me. Don’t need a court. If it were one woman who had a history of this sort of thing, that would be another thing altogether. But, multiple women are coming forward and claiming similar stories.
He has enough clout that people are scared to death of lawsuits, sometimes the mob gives better justice than the courts.
[quote]Severiano wrote:
So, to my knowledge what really happened is a comedian brought attention to Cosby. Cosby wouldn’t work with him because he uses profanity in his comedy. He responded by doing his own standup, blasting Cosby… Essentially saying, I may curse, but at least I don’t rape folks. Angry Birds star Hannibal Buress: Bill Cosby is a rapist | Daily Mail Online
From what I gather the above went viral, to the point the media couldn’t ignore it anymore. Think Reddit, lots of younger folks. And, then because of the attention brought about by the comedian, the media HAD to start talking about it because it’s a story now.
C’mon, all you good Christian Conservatives. He’s reaping what he sewed, he should have it much worse. You don’t go from zero to a bunch of women claiming they were assaulted or raped by you. And, it’s the same story with multiple women, he uses booze and drugs to fuck them up and then they wake up sore. He seemed to pick out women who he could easily cast doubt on as well, and he has nothing to say about it?
He prayed on women that most others forget about… Perhaps the lowest of the low, weakest of the weak? I don’t mind people holding back judgment until he’s convicted, but at the same time I don’t see how anyone could defend this under the label of some liberal attack. There’s way too many women making the claim for this to be nothing. [/quote]
You can, indeed, go from zero to multiple claims. Any well publicized allegation will have numerous people hopping on the bandwagon. The similarity of the stories can be construed as a weakness, just as it can be construed as a strength.
These remain allegations, not facts. [/quote]
It looks like he has such a reputation that he has a known modus operandi… That is generally drugging women and preying on those he can easily cast doubt on. That many women have come forward is pretty damning to me. Don’t need a court. If it were one woman who had a history of this sort of thing, that would be another thing altogether. But, multiple women are coming forward and claiming similar stories.
He has enough clout that people are scared to death of lawsuits, sometimes the mob gives better justice than the courts. [/quote]
A reputation built on, as yet, unproven claims. The fact that you are willing to throw a person to mob justice is utterly insane.
Adding more untested allegations does not, of itself, render any of them stronger, it makes them more numerous.
Outrage is no basis for conviction and the mob doesn’t give a shit about the presumption of innocence.
[quote]Severiano wrote:
So, to my knowledge what really happened is a comedian brought attention to Cosby. Cosby wouldn’t work with him because he uses profanity in his comedy. He responded by doing his own standup, blasting Cosby… Essentially saying, I may curse, but at least I don’t rape folks. Angry Birds star Hannibal Buress: Bill Cosby is a rapist | Daily Mail Online
From what I gather the above went viral, to the point the media couldn’t ignore it anymore. Think Reddit, lots of younger folks. And, then because of the attention brought about by the comedian, the media HAD to start talking about it because it’s a story now.
C’mon, all you good Christian Conservatives. He’s reaping what he sewed, he should have it much worse. You don’t go from zero to a bunch of women claiming they were assaulted or raped by you. And, it’s the same story with multiple women, he uses booze and drugs to fuck them up and then they wake up sore. He seemed to pick out women who he could easily cast doubt on as well, and he has nothing to say about it?
He prayed on women that most others forget about… Perhaps the lowest of the low, weakest of the weak? I don’t mind people holding back judgment until he’s convicted, but at the same time I don’t see how anyone could defend this under the label of some liberal attack. There’s way too many women making the claim for this to be nothing. [/quote]
You can, indeed, go from zero to multiple claims. Any well publicized allegation will have numerous people hopping on the bandwagon. The similarity of the stories can be construed as a weakness, just as it can be construed as a strength.
These remain allegations, not facts. [/quote]
It looks like he has such a reputation that he has a known modus operandi… That is generally drugging women and preying on those he can easily cast doubt on. That many women have come forward is pretty damning to me. Don’t need a court. If it were one woman who had a history of this sort of thing, that would be another thing altogether. But, multiple women are coming forward and claiming similar stories.
He has enough clout that people are scared to death of lawsuits, sometimes the mob gives better justice than the courts. [/quote]
A reputation built on, as yet, unproven claims. The fact that you are willing to throw a person to mob justice is utterly insane.
Adding more untested allegations does not, of itself, render any of them stronger, it makes them more numerous.
Outrage is no basis for conviction and the mob doesn’t give a shit about the presumption of innocence. http://www.nytimes.com/1997/01/13/sports/a-woman-s-false-accusation-prompts-reflection.html[/quote]
Not saying he should be convicted based on the testimony we have had thus far, or that he should do time based on what we know… That’s for a court, and as far as black men are concerned that’s not even really an avenue for justice. American courts don’t have a good reputation, nor do many people trust them from the SCOTUS to Judge Judy.
The real court for Cosby IS the media and the mob of people who have made him rich all these years. If he can clear his name somehow it would have to be to the people who he appealed to, and made his fortune off, and that he could potentially make more fortune off of.
[quote]Severiano wrote:
So, to my knowledge what really happened is a comedian brought attention to Cosby. Cosby wouldn’t work with him because he uses profanity in his comedy. He responded by doing his own standup, blasting Cosby… Essentially saying, I may curse, but at least I don’t rape folks. Angry Birds star Hannibal Buress: Bill Cosby is a rapist | Daily Mail Online
From what I gather the above went viral, to the point the media couldn’t ignore it anymore. Think Reddit, lots of younger folks. And, then because of the attention brought about by the comedian, the media HAD to start talking about it because it’s a story now.
C’mon, all you good Christian Conservatives. He’s reaping what he sewed, he should have it much worse. You don’t go from zero to a bunch of women claiming they were assaulted or raped by you. And, it’s the same story with multiple women, he uses booze and drugs to fuck them up and then they wake up sore. He seemed to pick out women who he could easily cast doubt on as well, and he has nothing to say about it?
He prayed on women that most others forget about… Perhaps the lowest of the low, weakest of the weak? I don’t mind people holding back judgment until he’s convicted, but at the same time I don’t see how anyone could defend this under the label of some liberal attack. There’s way too many women making the claim for this to be nothing. [/quote]
You can, indeed, go from zero to multiple claims. Any well publicized allegation will have numerous people hopping on the bandwagon. The similarity of the stories can be construed as a weakness, just as it can be construed as a strength.
These remain allegations, not facts. [/quote]
It looks like he has such a reputation that he has a known modus operandi… That is generally drugging women and preying on those he can easily cast doubt on. That many women have come forward is pretty damning to me. Don’t need a court. If it were one woman who had a history of this sort of thing, that would be another thing altogether. But, multiple women are coming forward and claiming similar stories.
He has enough clout that people are scared to death of lawsuits, sometimes the mob gives better justice than the courts. [/quote]
A reputation built on, as yet, unproven claims. The fact that you are willing to throw a person to mob justice is utterly insane.
Adding more untested allegations does not, of itself, render any of them stronger, it makes them more numerous.
Outrage is no basis for conviction and the mob doesn’t give a shit about the presumption of innocence. http://www.nytimes.com/1997/01/13/sports/a-woman-s-false-accusation-prompts-reflection.html[/quote]
Not saying he should be convicted based on the testimony we have had thus far, or that he should do time based on what we know… That’s for a court, and as far as black men are concerned that’s not even really an avenue for justice. American courts don’t have a good reputation, nor do many people trust them from the SCOTUS to Judge Judy.
The real court for Cosby IS the media and the mob of people who have made him rich all these years. If he can clear his name somehow it would have to be to the people who he appealed to, and made his fortune off, and that he could potentially make more fortune off of.
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So a court win clears a celebrities name? Worked so well for Michael Jackson.
If the real court for Cosby is the media and the mob, then he has my pity. The twitterati run on outrage, not fact.
[quote]Severiano wrote:
That’s for a court, and as far as black men are concerned that’s not even really an avenue for justice.
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Yep from O.J. to Michael Jackson to Ray Lewis, rich and famous black men have just been getting screwed over the years.[/quote]
It’s also an utter crock of shit. I wish people would prove that the entire criminal justice system is racist, or shut the fuck up already.
It’s utter nonsense. [/quote]
Couldn’t it be the case that there are some biases when it comes to normal white people and black people?[/quote]
Since young black men commit a huge disproportionate amount of crime, it’s reasonable that the public and law enforcement assessment of them may be a tad different. You can label it however you want: profiling, stereotyping etc. but everyone does it, and has always done it on one form or another.
The court of public opinion can be skewed by group think that is FUBARED.
Many black people today would agree that OJ was probably guilty, when 20 years ago they would have had their Roscoe’s Chicken and Waffles membership taken from them if they thought that way then.
Rich white man evades paying taxes and he is an evil 1%'er, but call out Al Sharpton for his 4.5 million he owes in taxes and you’re an executive in the Klan. That is pretty much what happened in today’s NYT.
[quote]NorCal916 wrote:
Since young black men commit a huge disproportionate amount of crime, it’s reasonable that the public and law enforcement assessment of them may be a tad different. You can label it however you want: profiling, stereotyping etc. but everyone does it, and has always done it on one form or another. [/quote]
Ya.
I mean, I’m all for equal opportunity and shit. I still get scared when I see a group of black people at night. Everyone has their biases.
What matters is that people are aware of their own biases and try to deal with it, not a ridiculous attempt to either ignore its very existence or claim it’s everywhere and attempt to root it out. Both don’t really solve anything and just exacerbate the situation.
What matters is that people are aware of their own biases and try to deal with it, not a ridiculous attempt to either ignore its very existence or claim it’s everywhere and attempt to root it out. Both don’t really solve anything and just exacerbate the situation.[/quote]
Agreed.
Look I can see prison statistics. Does it look like the “system” is racist? Yup. But that data point alone isn’t the entire story. I mean, that would make VT the most racist state in the Union. (Like 2% black, and 95% of prison population is black.)
There is a lot more to the story than that data point.
Are their black people in jail wrongly due to racism? I would imagine there might be one or two in the country, yeah. Do I think it is remotely close to enough to claim “black people can’t get justice in the courts”? lmao, no, not even close.
Are there black people in jail wrongly due to racism? I would imagine there might be one or two in the country, yeah. Do I think it is remotely close to enough to claim “black people can’t get justice in the courts”? lmao, no, not even close. [/quote]
This.
It is always about money, poor white people and poor black people have the same opportunity for fair justice. Rich people operate on a different playing field.
Are there black people in jail wrongly due to racism? I would imagine there might be one or two in the country, yeah. Do I think it is remotely close to enough to claim “black people can’t get justice in the courts”? lmao, no, not even close. [/quote]
This.
It is always about money, poor white people and poor black people have the same opportunity for fair justice. Rich people operate on a different playing field.[/quote]
From what I have read a large part of the disparity in things like sentencing is about judges and locations. Judges in areas with large amounts of crime tend to be uncompromising and harsh. Blacks disproportionately live in these areas. There is nothing inherently racist in some judges being calloused, though it does seem pretty unfair on an individual basis.
[quote]NorCal916 wrote:
Since young black men commit a huge disproportionate amount of crime, it’s reasonable that the public and law enforcement assessment of them may be a tad different. You can label it however you want: profiling, stereotyping etc. but everyone does it, and has always done it on one form or another. [/quote]
Ya.
I mean, I’m all for equal opportunity and shit. I still get scared when I see a group of black people at night. Everyone has their biases.
What matters is that people are aware of their own biases and try to deal with it, not a ridiculous attempt to either ignore its very existence or claim it’s everywhere and attempt to root it out. Both don’t really solve anything and just exacerbate the situation.[/quote]
I’m not saying it’s right or wrong, just natural. I agree that awareness to this is important. It’s so much different that being a “racist” which is to say my race is better than yours (which it’s not).
[quote]Severiano wrote:
That’s for a court, and as far as black men are concerned that’s not even really an avenue for justice.
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Yep from O.J. to Michael Jackson to Ray Lewis, rich and famous black men have just been getting screwed over the years.[/quote]
It’s also an utter crock of shit. I wish people would prove that the entire criminal justice system is racist, or shut the fuck up already.
It’s utter nonsense. [/quote]
Right, and how the fuck am I supposed to supply you with that proof? What better proof is out there other than the data? If I bring up things like conviction rates, and death penalty you will have some other limp dick excuse as to why the numbers are the way they are. So, you go ahead and keep your big pie hole going about how just the courts are.
Would you put money on something like, for every 1 black person and 1 white person going into court, I get 1 dollar for every black convictions and you get 1 dollar for every white. Remember this is proportional, 1 to 1. Who walks away with more money?
There are examples of high profile cases where guilty black men get off the hook, or settle but appear to be guilty. Is that indicative of a just system? If anything that just illustrates how truly messed up our system is.
Right, and how the fuck am I supposed to supply you with that proof?
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So you make an outrageous assertion about institutionalised, systemic racism and there is no burden of proof. You just say it so it’s true.
Maybe it’s because blacks percentage-wise are far more prone to criminality, more serious cases of the same types of crime(eg, more violent “assaults”, more malevolent “homocides”), add that to their poorer representation in court, poor appearance(white guy wears collared shirt to court; black guy wears his gangster pants), lower intelligence(demonstrated in court; reflected in their defence; less believable liars etc), more aggression(in court), less remorse shown, longer prior record etc etc
Maybe they’re not a “blank slate”. Maybe that’s why Chinese and Japanese and Koreans are much more law abiding percentage-wise than whites? Maybe there are major cultural and biological differences between races?
Besides, who knows what the fuck “racism” means anyway? It’s a general pejorative term that can mean completely different things to different people. Any half-serious discussion on the subject is contingent upon a specifically articulated and agreed upon definition of the bugaboo word “racism”.
The courts; the law itself is skewed in favour of blacks. Blacks get away with shit on a daily basis that whites never would because the liberal majority treats them as if they’re lacking moral agency; like children. They’re given every conceivable kind of special privilege; everyone panders to their delusions of persecution and plays along with their fundamental enmity towards white people. It is blacks who are profoundly racist; and whites who bend over backwards for them; support the black community with handouts and special privileges. It’s pretty fucking obvious to me with what goes on over there that there should be more blacks incarcerated.
I’d take that bet for sure all other things being equal - ie, a black defendant with the same rap sheet, same charges, same severity, same clothes worn in court, same level of respect shown to the court, same level of remorse etc. I’d take that bet anyday and I’d win big.
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There are examples of high profile cases where guilty black men get off the hook, or settle but appear to be guilty. Is that indicative of a just system? If anything that just illustrates how truly messed up our system is. [/quote]
Justice? Like, a white cop shoots a black guy going for his gun and most the black community are calling for him to be convicted(or killed) before any evidence has even been admitted? That kind of justice? If I went into a black neighbourhood and started asking people about the situation what kind of responses do you think I’d get? A pathological enmity towards the hand that feeds them that’s what. That’s what underlies the “knockout game”. So fuck all your bullshit about racist courts and so on. The racism is one-sided and comes from the black community aided and abetted by white guilt liberals and pseudoconservatives(gotta win them over to voting themselves back out of the public treasury right?)
Right, and how the fuck am I supposed to supply you with that proof?
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So you make an outrageous assertion about institutionalised, systemic racism and there is no burden of proof. You just say it so it’s true.
Maybe it’s because blacks percentage-wise are far more prone to criminality, more serious cases of the same types of crime(eg, more violent “assaults”, more malevolent “homocides”), add that to their poorer representation in court, poor appearance(white guy wears collared shirt to court; black guy wears his gangster pants), lower intelligence(demonstrated in court; reflected in their defence; less believable liars etc), more aggression(in court), less remorse shown, longer prior record etc etc
Maybe they’re not a “blank slate”. Maybe that’s why Chinese and Japanese and Koreans are much more law abiding percentage-wise than whites? Maybe there are major cultural and biological differences between races?
Besides, who knows what the fuck “racism” means anyway? It’s a general pejorative term that can mean completely different things to different people. Any half-serious discussion on the subject is contingent upon a specifically articulated and agreed upon definition of the bugaboo word “racism”.
The courts; the law itself is skewed in favour of blacks. Blacks get away with shit on a daily basis that whites never would because the liberal majority treats them as if they’re lacking moral agency; like children. They’re given every conceivable kind of special privilege; everyone panders to their delusions of persecution and plays along with their fundamental enmity towards white people. It is blacks who are profoundly racist; and whites who bend over backwards for them; support the black community with handouts and special privileges. It’s pretty fucking obvious to me with what goes on over there that there should be more blacks incarcerated.
I’d take that bet for sure all other things being equal - ie, a black defendant with the same rap sheet, same charges, same severity, same clothes worn in court, same level of respect shown to the court, same level of remorse etc. I’d take that bet anyday and I’d win big.
I’ll give you a pass because you don’t live here. It’s pretty clear whose opinion you believe though. I’m trying to say that there are no easy ways to prove anything in our system. I’m not only saying it’s racist, I’m saying that our justice system is rotten and corrupt.