[quote]cueball wrote:
Nor am I surprised about anything else you just spewed. Same shit, different post. I get it, AC, you hate women. It sucks you’ve had your run in with a couple bad women, but quit projecting.[/quote]
Here is where you crossed the line
[quote]angry chicken wrote:
Cueball
If you want to debate my points, you are free to do so. But then you began attacking me personally, so that is why I’m cutting my dialog with you.
If you would like to discuss further the merits of anything I wrote, you can apologize to me for attacking me personally. I’m a grown man and will accept your apology and we can renew our civil discourse. But without an apology, my conversation with you is over.
I don’t attack other posters. I argue with them about their positions. I expect the same in return.[/quote]
Whatever. All I’ve done is address your points. Now, after acting in a juvenile manner you want to change course and take the high road? LOL Because telling people to “fuck off” is "civil discourse.
It’s pretty obvious when someone can’t or won’t defend things they’ve written. Get on their high horse and pretend like they are above it all. It’s a little late for acting high and mighty.
[quote]angry chicken wrote:
[quote]cueball wrote:
Nor am I surprised about anything else you just spewed. Same shit, different post. I get it, AC, you hate women. It sucks you’ve had your run in with a couple bad women, but quit projecting.[/quote]
Here is where you crossed the line[/quote]
Because I referenced something you have talked about over and over on this forum? Because I said, due to that fact, you were projecting your personal experience onto other women you know nothing about? In the manner shown below?
[quote]angry chicken wrote:
I don’t care if Bill Cosby “raped” that girl (I put rape in parenthesis because he didn’t chase her through a dark ally, chain her to the back of a dumpster and sodomize her with a broom handle or anything). If he did, she should have pressed charges after it happened. She didn’t. So now I don’t believe her (see my above rant about gold digging whores fucking celebrities)./quote]
Now, after everything you’ve posted on these forums, then this, why wouldn’t I get the impression I did? But I crossed the line. Okay.
Don’t defend that stupid shit I keep quoting, that’s fine. I wouldn’t want to either.
[quote]cueball wrote:
[quote]angry chicken wrote:
Cueball
If you want to debate my points, you are free to do so. But then you began attacking me personally, so that is why I’m cutting my dialog with you.
If you would like to discuss further the merits of anything I wrote, you can apologize to me for attacking me personally. I’m a grown man and will accept your apology and we can renew our civil discourse. But without an apology, my conversation with you is over.
I don’t attack other posters. I argue with them about their positions. I expect the same in return.[/quote]
Whatever. All I’ve done is address your points. Now, after acting in a juvenile manner you want to change course and take the high road? LOL Because telling people to “fuck off” is "civil discourse.
It’s pretty obvious when someone can’t or won’t defend things they’ve written. Get on their high horse and pretend like they are above it all. It’s a little late for acting high and mighty.
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Who’s acting high and mighty? I never attacked YOU. You attacked ME. You clearly wrote that I have issues, am a juvenile, hate women, etc…
That’s not an argument, it’s not addressing any point, that’s a personal attack. So I told you to fuck off.
Have I said ANYTHING about you personally in this thread before I called you a bleeding vagina in response to YOUR attack against ME? Nope.
[quote]cueball wrote:
Don’t defend that stupid shit I keep quoting, that’s fine. I wouldn’t want to either.[/quote]
The thing is, I don’t CARE about what you keep quoting. That’s not my argument.
Would you like me to change my position about Bill Cosby?
Here you go: I DON’T KNOW IF BILL COSBY IS A GOOD MAN OR A BAD MAN. HAPPY?
What I DO know, is that he was publicly respected for decades and within weeks of “crossing the line” of racial division and having the audacity to suggest that people be personally accountable for their “lot in life”, twenty year old accusations and allegations came flying.
It doesn’t matter if he’s innocent or not. That was never my point. His legacy is under attack because he went against the grain.
Cueball,
I want proof of rape, not accusations. If a woman was raped, she should have gone straight to the police and reported it, including a medical examination with blood and DNA tests. Her fears of coming forward cannot supercede the integrity of an investigation, because being falsely accused of rape is also a brutal assault against someone in another form.
The accusation of rape is so harsh, we cannot take it by someone’s word.
Since we don’t know either of these people, proving who is credible is not done by waiting years to come forward with such a claim.
[quote]angry chicken wrote:
[quote]cueball wrote:
[quote]angry chicken wrote:
Cueball
If you want to debate my points, you are free to do so. But then you began attacking me personally, so that is why I’m cutting my dialog with you.
If you would like to discuss further the merits of anything I wrote, you can apologize to me for attacking me personally. I’m a grown man and will accept your apology and we can renew our civil discourse. But without an apology, my conversation with you is over.
I don’t attack other posters. I argue with them about their positions. I expect the same in return.[/quote]
Whatever. All I’ve done is address your points. Now, after acting in a juvenile manner you want to change course and take the high road? LOL Because telling people to “fuck off” is "civil discourse.
It’s pretty obvious when someone can’t or won’t defend things they’ve written. Get on their high horse and pretend like they are above it all. It’s a little late for acting high and mighty.
[/quote]
Who’s acting high and mighty? I never attacked YOU. You attacked ME. You clearly wrote that I have issues, am a juvenile, hate women, etc…
That’s not an argument, it’s not addressing any point, that’s a personal attack. So I told you to fuck off.
Have I said ANYTHING about you personally in this thread before I called you a bleeding vagina in response to YOUR attack against ME? Nope.[/quote]
I see. Saying someone has issues, or it’s clear they hate women, due to some pretty harsh, ridiculous shit they typed, is just like calling them a “bleeding vagina”. Got it.
The juvenile comment was in direct response to said “bleeding vagina” comment. Aren’t you almost 40? “Bleeding vagina”, really?
Anyway, it’s clear you would rather bitch about my perception of you due to what YOU WROTE, rather than defend what YOU WROTE, and instead say I attacked you to keep from it. If what I wrote was an attack, you’ve got some thin skin.
So, just for you, I will kindly “fuck off”. : )
[quote]MaximusB wrote:
Cueball,
I want proof of rape, not accusations. If a woman was raped, she should have gone straight to the police and reported it, including a medical examination with blood and DNA tests. Her fears of coming forward cannot supercede the integrity of an investigation, because being falsely accused of rape is also a brutal assault against someone in another form.
The accusation of rape is so harsh, we cannot take it by someone’s word.
Since we don’t know either of these people, proving who is credible is not done by waiting years to come forward with such a claim.[/quote]
I understand all of that.
Look, I haven’t convicted him. As others have said, there seems to be a large enough group of accusations for this to be considered a possibility. I realize, now, that by pointing out AC’s obvious bias and stance on the subject, it automatically put me on the “opposite side”, as if I’m 100% convinced he did do it. Not the case.
I don’t have an explanation for why a woman would wait, but it certainly does happen. I’m not female, I’m not in that situation. However, to write what he did initially, then later defend that position in the manner he did, in my opinion, needed to be called out.
The whole “he didn’t rape her because it wasn’t with a broom behind a dumpster” was just, I don’t know, fucking stupid. He obviously won’t defend or retract the statement and would rather move the conversation to who called who what, which say a lot.
Jimmy saville was a good man. He was obviously not a celebrity who used said status to molest hundreds of kids. He was a mere victim of the left wing secret conspiracy of “the elites”.
I mean people came out to expose him 20 years after the fact!
I have never bought into the liberal term “rape culture” but this thread really makes me understand why people use that rhetoric.
Plenty of victims of rape, sexual assault, child molestation, etc. wait a long time before coming forward. The mentality of “if you didn’t come in right away it didn’t happen” is scary and very anti-victim. I’m not taking sides yet because I haven’t read anything in this story, but this whole why didn’t you report it when it happened you must be lying idea that some people seem to have is a very weird take on the ordeal.
“Sorry you got “raped”, shoulda said something early” is a pretty poor way of looking at these type of issues.
I’ll try to read up on this, but I’m really hoping the allegations aren’t true, Cosby is one of my fav’s 
[quote]H factor wrote:
Plenty of victims of rape, sexual assault, child molestation, etc. wait a long time before coming forward. The mentality of “if you didn’t come in right away it didn’t happen” is scary and very anti-victim. I’m not taking sides yet because I haven’t read anything in this story, but this whole why didn’t you report it when it happened you must be lying idea that some people seem to have is a very weird take on the ordeal.
“Sorry you got “raped”, shoulda said something early” is a pretty poor way of looking at these type of issues.
I’ll try to read up on this, but I’m really hoping the allegations aren’t true, Cosby is one of my fav’s [/quote]
The thing is in both the Cosby situation and the Jimmy Saville situation victims did come forward, but due to the perpetrator being famous, victim dismissal and the fact sexual crimes are incredibly hard to prove, nothing was done.
However what brought this into the spotlight was that Cosby suggested people create memes and something what was not very well known was brought to a wider group who now did know.
Both cases have so many victims coming forward recounting extremely similar and horrific experiences and pointing out negligent police investigations that there is so much pointing to the fact they were both extremely guilty of what they are accused of, it is quite sad.
Even sadder when the response of so many men is to take the victim blaming route, most of that attitude though seems born from prior held hostile views of women. Not a well thought out stance on the issue or a well researched position on the allegations.
[quote]Normsky wrote:
Even sadder when the response of so many men is to take the victim blaming route, [/quote]
You mean, one or two posters on a single forum?
Let’s keep the hyperbole out here before you completely ruin a point you’re trying to make please.
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
[quote]Normsky wrote:
Even sadder when the response of so many men is to take the victim blaming route, [/quote]
You mean, one or two posters on a single forum?
Let’s keep the hyperbole out here before you completely ruin a point you’re trying to make please. [/quote]
No I am talking about the open victim blaming the police and press practiced for decades and the open embrace of denial and victim blaming large groups of men showed in the aftermath.
I was not addressing anyone on this site.
[quote]Normsky wrote:
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
[quote]Normsky wrote:
Even sadder when the response of so many men is to take the victim blaming route, [/quote]
You mean, one or two posters on a single forum?
Let’s keep the hyperbole out here before you completely ruin a point you’re trying to make please. [/quote]
No I am talking about the open victim blaming the police and press practiced for decades and the open embrace of denial and victim blaming large groups of men showed in the aftermath.
I was not addressing anyone on this site.[/quote]
ALright, my post went right over the top, let me try this again.
You’re starting to use talking points that are going to cloud any point you’re trying to make and people are going to start arguing with you for the sake of it.
You can speak about what you are without the SJW and fringe-feminist talking points.
I see it all the time, and you’re new here. Original thought, even if you are saying the same things, will go over much better.
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
I see it all the time, and you’re new here. Original thought, even if you are saying the same things, will go over much better. [/quote]
Indeed, don’t be like Bismark and talk out of a textbook. Feelings and opinions man!
SOOOO MANY HAWT TAKES!!
[quote]Normsky wrote:
The thing is in both the Cosby situation and the Jimmy Saville situation victims did come forward, but due to the perpetrator being famous, victim dismissal and the fact sexual crimes are incredibly hard to prove, nothing was done.
However what brought this into the spotlight was that Cosby suggested people create memes and something what was not very well known was brought to a wider group who now did know.
Both cases have so many victims coming forward recounting extremely similar and horrific experiences and pointing out negligent police investigations that there is so much pointing to the fact they were both extremely guilty of what they are accused of, it is quite sad.
Even sadder when the response of so many men is to take the victim blaming route, most of that attitude though seems born from prior held hostile views of women. Not a well thought out stance on the issue or a well researched position on the allegations.
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It is not victim blaming to say that an alleged crime is alleged. Moreover, yes there have been incompetent police at the helm of sexual crime investigations, and outright cover-ups, before, just like there have been baseless allegations before.
Chuck Norris was once implicated in satanic, sexual abuse. If someone dredges that up, must I believe it or be guilty of victim blaming?
[quote]MaximusB wrote:
Bill Cosby is not known for being in the media repeatedly, especially in a negative light. Had they accused Charlie Sheen, it would be a more credible accusation.
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I dont know man, if you told me that Sheen was caught with two underaged hookers, half a pound of blow and a dildo up his ass, sure, why not?
Rape?
Doubt it.
[quote]UtahLama wrote:
Again it just seems strange that multiple women over a 20 year span, independently told very similar stories about what happened to them.
The 4 latest to come out have already stated they are seeking no financial suit against Cosby.
What would they possibly have to gain by telling their stories, other than exorcising inner demons?
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They smoked pot with him and suddenly, misteriously, they also somked his pole?
Damn, remind me not to smoke pot with this man.
Also, if you were not paying attention, we are experiencing a tsunami of attention whores.
So, to my knowledge what really happened is a comedian brought attention to Cosby. Cosby wouldn’t work with him because he uses profanity in his comedy. He responded by doing his own standup, blasting Cosby… Essentially saying, I may curse, but at least I don’t rape folks. Angry Birds star Hannibal Buress: Bill Cosby is a rapist | Daily Mail Online
From what I gather the above went viral, to the point the media couldn’t ignore it anymore. Think Reddit, lots of younger folks. And, then because of the attention brought about by the comedian, the media HAD to start talking about it because it’s a story now.
C’mon, all you good Christian Conservatives. He’s reaping what he sewed, he should have it much worse. You don’t go from zero to a bunch of women claiming they were assaulted or raped by you. And, it’s the same story with multiple women, he uses booze and drugs to fuck them up and then they wake up sore. He seemed to pick out women who he could easily cast doubt on as well, and he has nothing to say about it?
He prayed on women that most others forget about… Perhaps the lowest of the low, weakest of the weak? I don’t mind people holding back judgment until he’s convicted, but at the same time I don’t see how anyone could defend this under the label of some liberal attack. There’s way too many women making the claim for this to be nothing.
[quote]Severiano wrote:
He prayed on women that most others forget about… Perhaps the lowest of the low, weakest of the weak? I don’t mind people holding back judgment until he’s convicted, but at the same time I don’t see how anyone could defend this under the label of some liberal attack. There’s way too many women making the claim for this to be nothing. [/quote]
You underestimate the power of the Liberal Machine.