[quote]MikeShank wrote:
Hey Zap,
Mike Cruickshank here. I had a couple questions about your response.
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While I am familiar that there are several third world societies that still have organized dog fights (i.e. Afghanistan sp?) I am not aware of any developed country which in the last 100 years or so has viewed the practice as acceptable.
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I am not familiar what the state of dog fighting is in your area, I can only speak about where I am from (Trenton, Philly, Camden area). Dog fighting was a serious problem in Trenton about 10 years ago before a huge public outcry let to a massive police crackdown. To show how public involvement can affect this issue, dog fighting has gone down tremendously in our area.
Regardless, I have never heard of one case in which the breeders actually care for these dogs. In our area, the practice is to let the dogs fight for some time, up to an hour in some cases.
The end result is that one dog will and is expected to die. I am not sure what, if any medical care could help the animals given the often extreme extent of the injuries.
In all, I don’t know how any civilized culture could find a way to rationalize this as being acceptable.
One of my clients, who was a trenton cop for some time, told me that he was doing undercover work on a local trenton gang. Often times, drugs, weapons, and gang crime are tied intimately with dog fighting contests. He told me of a story of a man who dragged he child to one of these events.
My client told me that the only time he almost lost it in his entire undercover career was when he turned around and saw the child crying while all the other people in the room were laughing because one of the dogs was killed and was leaking piss and shit out after he died.
It’s a true story which should put this practice and the people who engage in it within a proper perspective.
Zap Branigan wrote:
I am not going to defend dog fighting but it is a popular sport that has been practiced by many cultures throughout the ages.
The point is not to maim the dogs but to create competition and place bets.
The dog owners do not want to see their animals badly hurt or killed.
Laws against it have driven it underground and probably prevented many dogs from getting the post fight care they need.
Not that I want to legalize it this is something to think about.
Regarding Vick, I have had enough of this jackass. Between giving women herpes under his alias Ron Mexico, his stupid water bottle incident and the dog fighting he looks like a bad apple. His brother Marcus is also a jerk.
Under the NFL’s new conduct policies he should probably be suspended if he can be tied to the dog fighting.
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Wow that’s funny last i checked it was still legal in the Yukrain. And it was outlawed inthe U.S. like whate 40 years ago with the animal welfare act.
Being a fighter I completely respect the American Pit Bull Terrier and what it was breed for. I would not by one unless it was gametested. Heck that would be like buying a retriever that doesn’t retrieve
I know plenty of owners that love their dogs and know their dogs. most of them good ol’ boys not gang members. To them they are like part of the family. Maybe that’s the problem gangsters and drug dealers can take anything and turn it into shit.
I have had 3 pits in my life and valued them more then I do most people. And if I wouldn’t go to jail for it would defintely train my dog for an atheletic event.
And as far as the guy who likes to kick dogs. Trust me it wasn’t a pit. Because in breeding gameness into a pit you breed out the human aggression at least the good breeders do. And if it was a pit and it did want to hurt you the owner would be finding you an eternal resting place in the swamp down the road at least I would have to.
And further whoever says fighting is barbaric is an imbicile. It is way of showing dominance and establishing a hierarchy through social cues. I think our society today is dominated by loud sociopaths.
Ones who tell us we are wrong for defending our family and loved ones. Ones who make it possible for a criminal to break into your house rape your wife and steal your shit then sue you for spraining their ankle. Or what’s worse you catch him before he can do what he set out to do and shoot him and you go to jail. I’ll stop moving off subject.
A dog fight is like a wreslting match but they don’t have apposable thumbs so they need something to hold on with. At least “from what I hear”. I even believe during the civil war President lincoln used to stage one of these events the night before a tough battle to show his troops true perserverance and to give them inspiration.
