Why is it that T-Nation forums are regarded as a place to discuss AAS use “safely”, but when i bring up testing gear, I’m the odd one out?
IDC that I’m the weird one, I’m just not understanding how y’all are so trusting with buying underground vials and pills with no chain of custody, recourse, or testing…
I get that some people have access to pharma grade stuff, but for those that don’t - it doesn’t bother y’all any?
You aren’t.
And that’s “safe” not “safely” or “safer”. Only safe methods discussed here :-).
Keep being smart and safe-er dude.
Testing is only part of the equation when assessing risk. You can still test the gear and have no idea if it was brewed in a bathtub and really dirty or your heart will explode mid cycle.
It’s only one small part in the risk assessment. And when you can get to kinda sorta the same conclusion as sending it off for testing as you can running it and going by sides/feels/bloods/reviews, it becomes a small piece in the many pieces that make drugs dangerous.
You crack me up.
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That would be lousy testing. Testing should confirm API concentration and rule out major contaminants/pyrogens. HPLC/LCMS + ICP + MAT.
Example:
Simec AG has state-of-the-art infrastructure with modern analytic measuring instruments. Simec will perform various analyses for us in its facilities including high-performance liquid chromatography (HPLC) analyses, total aerobial microbiological count (TAMC) testing, total yeast and mold count (TYMC) testing and inductively coupled plasma optical emission spectrometry (ICP-OES) screening for heavy metal contamination.
Same
Start hanging out with more discriminating, educated hobbyists to increase your exposure.
He wouldn’t. Go find the little nerdy dude who “coaches” him. That’s his job.
I see what you did there. RIP Colucci
Because everything in our world gets blown out of proportion and taken to the levels of full retard. No matter what it is. Every sport, every business, every social or political idea starts with a nice principle, but then there are people who take it full retard and ruin it all.
Some 20 years ago - safe ment use alcohol swabs, dont take too much of same drugs, watch for sides. Then all the lab shit started - which still was cool, dont take AI just to take it - go check if u need it, etc. Still fine.
Nowdays people cant take 200mgs of test without a book about their labwork, 1000 questions and every shit you take has to be tested, FDA approved and posted online for everyone to see how “safe” you are being.
Its just retarded. For someone to get good results, its just crazy to test everything, keep everything in check and for fuck sake - it also takes out a lot of the fun.
Its like when i was a kid, we had one broken “grown up” bicycle, we couldnt reach the pedals sitting on it so we stuck one leg through the bike itself and drove sideways while being pushed off a hill. “Brakes” were bushes or trees that you smashed in. It was fun. Nowdays everyone needs a proper bicycle with a perfect height, helmets, knee guards and he can only ride in a designated place on a fucking soft mat, supervised by 10 people.
When people start this “safe” shit i see retarded kids with helmets riding bikes. Its steroids. Its sport.
Sure you can do it “safe-er” and less safe, but taking it to the levels of full retard is kind of pointless. Also, what im trying to say is that no one ever got results this way. People did this with success for 40 years before any of this shit was known and it was all good.
I really understand the idea about safety but it is like 1 step from not going outside because there is a huge chance to be involved in a traffic accident.
People nowdays focus more on how to safely take 200mgs than they focus on actual diet and gaining or losing weight(depending on goals). They waste 2 hours studying about labwork which could have been spent eating or doing cardio, for example.
Thats why i said - no one BIG or no one with good gains, ever talks this much about labwork, testing everything etc.
Its all cool if you are in for the chat, but its just not reality. Its like discussing fighting. No one good, ever critisized fighters on youtube. I like the saying : “those who can beat you up - dont want to… those who want to - cant”. The safest and smartest people online always happen to be those who have no real experience and nothing to show for their smarts.
I just remembered a method used some 15 years ago when they just broke open all the amps with different steroids, filled that in a multi-use vial, shaked it and just drew from the bottle and pinned it. It was called “shotgun”. Hah, good old days.
because raw material costs/availability vary tremendously.
Some companies that sell anavar will just say ‘out of stock’ when they are out of stock. Some others, however, will take advantage of the market when everyone else is out of stock and say ‘yea we have stock buy ours’! … and then they just sub something else in.
The other thing is cost. Most sellers want to advertise that they have, essentially, everything. They also want their pricing to be competitive across the board. Real anavar SHOULD generally be priced higher than other orals. If a particular seller is selling it at basically the same price as dbol, that’s a red flag. It means they’re probably legit on the other stuff, but the more expensive stuff to make is fake.
There are a lot of compounds, like dbol, test, cialis, anadrol, deca, etc that are rarely faked because they are so cheap to make, there’s no real incentive to fake it. I would never concern myself with testing those.
Side note for the OP: sounds exactly like my experience with halo. GREAT fucking drug for strength gains, very very quickly. But made me feel like shit, couldn’t run it for more than 3 weeks. After 2 I felt like death and just pushed through it for a show.
Hank, I get your perspective and you bring up some valid points, but if you were looking for “fun” - why not just recommend every beginner Eats Clen, Trens Hard, Anavar Gives Up?
Answer: because it’s stupid bro shit. And frankly, so is choosing not to mitigate risk when it’s reasonable to do so.
There’s a ton of moronic teenagers that step foot in a gym for the first time last week, and are already looking for Tren suppliers. I think we can all agree this is stupid… Do they care? not at all, they just want gainz bruh… 5%!
If they’re looking for fun, why not recommend coke as pre-workout? I mean, we’re already against the idea of mitigating risk because it impacts ‘fun’, right?
How many bodybuilders have we seen die young from steroid use? I’m just not seeing how this is “all good”.
Good point. They should probably stop posting online. VERY diminishing returns.
So my source is very inexpensive. Like under $20 for a vial of Test. I think it is around $120 for quantity of 100 tabs of 50 mg Anavar. Most of my gym buddies that use gear use that source now. One of them put in an order for Anavar and they replied they were out of it, but had Tbol or Winstrol for being at least somewhat similar.
That was kinda reassuring to me.
I could be wrong, but isn’t Halo actually harder to get and more expensive than Anavar (usually)? It seems like a very odd thing to intentionally replace Anavar with. Maybe on accident, but if I was faking gear, I’d just give out Winstrol tabs with half the mgs in them.
This isn’t true, there’s side effects from Var. Some stomach issues, liver issues can feel like stomach pains, lipids and kidney (would explain the dark pee).
Lab work? You can also test the steroid to see if it contains Oxandrolone.
well it would depend on the dose, I suppose. And I only brought it up because that’s basically the only thing I’ve taken that made me feel that bad, that quickly.
But lets consider the fact that most people expect anavar to only yield modest gains (that’s what most people seem to think, although I disagree with the premise). If the seller has some halo on hand, he could sell it off as anavar, at a fraction of the ‘usual’ dose since it’s so effective, and thus a user would end up, potentially, with the gains they’d expect from anavar. Maybe the seller figured at a really low dose, halo wouldn’t have those side effects.
Obviously that’s all speculation. And as you said, it could easily have just been a mistake. My source uses the same color caps for several different products, I don’t know how he keeps it straight.
Didn’t you hear that lab work is for nerds?
Im not saying its all good, but im am yet to see someone who actually blasts and gets results and manages to test all his gear, keep all labwork, and check all the online safety requirements. Its more like socialism - neat idea, cool to discuss, but doesnt really work in reality.
There is a reason why the online consensus in forums differs a lot from what people who get shit done actually do because online we can talk about the best scenario and its all fun until you would actually need to do it while getting good results. Thats why all the smart safe people have nothing to show. Because you can’t have both - you can either talk about the beautiful idea or you can fuck the idea and do whatever needs to be done.
And i would be happy to have bloodwork every week, all my gear tested and be safe as fuck but its just not doable in reality.
Also…im not shitting on anyone - i just provide my opinion and i have nothing against that someone else thinks different:)