Also very much agree with this.
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I was willing to take the risk then and in hindsight, I shouldn’t have. If I could go back, I wouldn’t do it. I think it’s reasonable to advise to others what I would advise to my younger self, no?
No, because mine will be pharma grade if I end up blasting. If I were to get UGL AAS (Test), I would actually test it - but that’s because I’d like to get to know my daughter as an adult. Call me crazy.
EDIT:
Is there a particular reason why all of your recent responses to me have an air of hostility? Either it’s a huge miscommunication, or you’ve got beef with me specifically - and I’d prefer to think it’s the first one.
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I’m really not trying to start an internet war here but it’s funny you ask that because I actually thought you kinda seemed to come into this thread with a bit of hostility toward me saying im on the no test bandwagon and saying im making excuses which I am absolutely not on both counts. I know full well how risky and foolish it is not testing stuff you take, I think the other user you are questioning may have just picked up on that and perhaps wants to make sure your following your own advice.
Again really not trying to turn this into an internet war just sharing my observations.
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Q1:
Are we talking USA here?
Q2:
Anyone considering an AI?
Post up those E2 numbers.
Thoughtful post
Good point. I am kinda suprised this doesnt appear to be widespread yet. Maybe it is happening with some orals? Dont know but curious.
I may need to work on my delivery then, apologies. I was aiming to be direct, which if handled wrong (like in this case) can be perceived as hostile.
I think not testing your gear (whatever that may be) is a bad idea if not pharma grade. From other people who have commented, it appears there are other ways to ‘test’ without testing, which I would call “validating” or “verifying”; however much one trusts these verifications is up to the individual.
I work Aviation Quality so “quality” is a sticking point for me, and I understand this will be different for others. Thank you for your perspective - I should adjust the way I approach posts like these.
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Testing is a great practice. It’s just one of those things that hardly anyone does. There are ifbb pros who don’t even get blood work. I think Seth feorce said he hadn’t done any for two years straight at one point. I don’t think that’s smart btw.
It’s kinda one of those things I think that must guys with a few blasts under their belts will usually scoff at. They have their sources which they trust.
I guess there are lots of things people “should” do, but they don’t. Testing gear would be towards the lower end of my priorities. I’d use my money to buy a good BP monitor before testing gear if it was some sort of dichotomy. But most guys I don’t even think are doing BP measurements.
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If someone had a ‘one blast only’ gift card for a steroid supplier (indulge me), they’d find a way to stretch that into as many compounds as they could (or more of a compound).
But if they were buying a car and had to choose a bigger engine or seat belts and air bags - they’d pick the sefe option.
I think it’s an odd thing that we’ll accept risk and even increase it in one scenario, yet reduce it in the other. People are weird.
(No offense to anyone reading, I too am a people)
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False dichotomy.
Haha. See post #1.
Then they get more blasts under their belt and learn a source only as good as the last batch. Trust but verify is the standard saying. In this case it is don’t trust and test. Or go compounding pharmacy with less selection and more money if domestic.
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Mostly yes. A good BP monitor costs a decent amount, legit testing costs a decent amount. One may not have the funds for both. This is assuming they are going to do the blast in short order. If we get rid of that assumption it’s a false dichotomy.
My thoughts on it (testing) is that not much safety is bought for the money. If female, lots is bought for the money and it’s worth it imo.
If we are going to be closer to optional, we would test blood and organs every month on blast (if not more). We don’t do that typically though. Because it is not a lot of safety bought for the money.
Thanks for sharing your thoughts. This is where you and I will disagree. If I buy something like what we are talking about here I want to know what is in it. Otherwise you might as well just place an order for MISC AAS. “Would you like oral or injectable Good Sir?”
To each their own. Be careful guys and gals.
Also, good tip. Dont buy a product labeled anavar. A legit knowledgeable chinese lab will at least advertise as oxandrolone. May be diverted USP product headed to a US compounding pharmacy.
Also do not buy anything out of a AA clinic. Red flag.
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Myea, i also wondered since when did testing gear became such a norm. Outside 1-2 people here i have never seen anyone even mentioning doing it… Also, i have never seen anyone BIG mentioning it.
This is an overstatement. Var is mostly faked as stanazolol, which is still an awesome steroid.
When faking expensive drugs, they are usually just the less expensive version, just like Primo is mostly just Boldenone, and masteron is test-prop.
Well either it is trusted…or…you come online and post a discussion about how you are not trusting it… Pick one. Oh wait.
Anyways, i dont understand why you think its not real. Side effects usually mean that the stuff is working, hah.
As far as your sides being more than you expected - the “mildness” of steroids is firstly individual. There is no such thing as anavar being mild and tren being harsh. Different people react differently and then people who have never taken anything just re-post one persons opinion and it becomes an urban legend. I would definetly NOT base my knowledge of steroids and side effects from annonymous coments on forums.
With this being out of the way - lets just say, maybe you react poorly on orals. We have seen people here who have gyno issues on minimal doses of test. Maybe its their body saying “stop taking this stuff, i dont like it”.
You can take a break, and give it another go. Or you can try a different oral, who knows, maybe your body likes even dbol more than it does var. I wouldnt even be surprised.
Did you know fluoxymesterone is still FDA approved to treat hypogonadism?
@jailhousestrong860… Did you stop using following the revelation of excess waste products being present in your urine?
Has stool changed colour? Skin itching? Jaundice?
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https://www.accessdata.fda.gov/scripts/cder/ob/index.cfm
Great point, it’s in the orange book. Although I doubt it would be an AA clinic Fan Favorite 
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AA clinic? Alcoholics anonyamous?
Instant liver failure…
Methyltestosterone is also FDA approved to treat hypogonadism. I believe DBOL was used for HRT at one point too. I imagine you’d feel great at 10mg/day… minus the trashed lipids and transient hepatotoxicity. Potential for peliosis hepatis, hepatocellular adenoma/carcinoma long term.
“Anti aging” clinic.
Haha on the alchoholic anonymous! Another great point.
DBOL was great. Been a good three years but I recall exercise tolerance went through the roof on low dosages.
10-15mg/day and you can train for hours… and hours… and hours…
But… heartburn…
Was also very mild on the front of aggravating autonomic dysfunction.
If you got the heart for it 
I was actually able to tolerate oxymetholone better than I do testosterone.
25mgs of oxymetholone is FAR more tolerable relative to 200mgs of testosterone… for me…
Haven’t taken anything like that in a long time though
Legitimately no side effects aside from pumps from that one. No elevation in BP, very minimal elevation in RHR. Testosterone/Nandrolone were the worst contenders for me.
Most seem to complain about anadrol being riddled with side effects. It had practically no visible side effects for me aside from a little bit of water retention. Invisible side effects like hepatotoxicity, trashed lipids, nephrotoxicity are obviously concerns.
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Was it oxandrolone?
Ok maybe it was anadrol.
@Andrewgen_Receptors should now be able to take this thread and a couple others on here and know every available theoretical Rx AAS option in US clinics. Quite a handy reference for info purposes only.