[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
forlife wrote:
Brother Chris wrote:
Who created the laws.
You missed the point of my post, which was that the laws themselves define the nature of the universe, and are far simpler and more parsimonious than the idea of a supernatural, magical man floating in the sky. Gravity doesn’t require a supernatural being to define it, since it is by definition a natural law.
I’ll say you have more belief than I do, because what ya’ll say is so far left. I’d put myself in an institute.[/quote]
How does that in any way address what I wrote?
Natural laws like gravity don’t require supernatural explanations. They are, definitionally, entirely natural.
The universe doesn’t require a supernatural explanation. You only need to look at matter, energy, and the natural laws of the universe to understand how it is possible for a planet like ours to evolve, in the scope of the trillions upon trillions of planets that exist elsewhere in the universe and are subject to those same natural laws.
[quote]pat wrote:
Is there a scientific basis for acting in a moral fashion? Do you consider yourself one who does? Is there a scientific definition for morality?[/quote]
Yet another fallacy pushed by the preachers at the pulpit:
“Unless you believe in my fairy tale god, it is impossible for you to have morals!!!”
God forbid (pun intended) that people would actually value love, courage, and integrity for their own sake, without needing a magic bearded man to threaten them with hell if they don’t.
Hitler - Religious
Stalin - Raised religious, formed his own cult religion
Saddam - Religious
Your point - Absent[/quote]
Sorry didn’t think I had to spell it out. The obvious meaning is that those WITHOUT religion seem to be the worst abusers of humanity.
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Says the person who bases their life around what an invisible man wants them to think[/quote]
You see it’s statements like that which tend to make me think that you are filled with hate. There is no other good reason why you should say such things. If someone wants to believe in God what gives you the right to mock them? One reason and one reason alone—Hatred.
If someone mocks homosexuals they are called “homophobic”.
Are you “Christianphobic?” Is there some sort of fear with a root of hatred?
[quote]forlife wrote:
pat wrote:
Is there a scientific basis for acting in a moral fashion? Do you consider yourself one who does? Is there a scientific definition for morality?
Yet another fallacy pushed by the preachers at the pulpit:
“Unless you believe in my fairy tale god, it is impossible for you to have morals!!!”
God forbid (pun intended) that people would actually value love, courage, and integrity for their own sake, without needing a magic bearded man to threaten them with hell if they don’t.[/quote]
What the hell are you on about? I was asking CB what he personally thinks. I asked questions…Do you see a statement in there?
Hitler - Religious
Stalin - Raised religious, formed his own cult religion
Saddam - Religious
Your point - Absent
Sorry didn’t think I had to spell it out. The obvious meaning is that those WITHOUT religion seem to be the worst abusers of humanity.
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well shame for you that the three people that you chose had plenty of religion in their lives then. So try again…
I have every right to mock you for believing in something ridiculous. In my last company there was a guy who was a wiccan. All of the Christians in the company either condemed him or mocked him for his ridiculous beliefs.
If I told you that I believed that the Sun was drawn accross the sky by a Scarab Beatle, or that the stars were actually sewn into the skirts of the sky gods dress, you would mock me.
It would not be hatred it would be an inability to fathom how someone in this day and age had such outdated and clearly unfounded beliefs. Well, that is how I feel about your religion.
[quote]pat wrote:
What the hell are you on about? I was asking CB what he personally thinks. I asked questions…Do you see a statement in there?
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I’m glad to hear you believe it is possible for people to have respectable morals, without needing to believe in a god(s).
GrandpaButch wrote:
The truth is if we put all the homosexuals on their own planet as simply that homosexuals within 100 years give ,or take you would all be gone,and your planet void of people.
forlife wrote:
You’re setting up a scarecrow argument, because the reality is that heteros are here in abundance, and gays present no risk to world population. In fact, many people are worried about the problems of overpopulation, given the limited non-renewable resources of the planet.
Boy you sure do have a reprobate mind. Like to twist things MUCH. My point regardless of how much you were unable to comprehend it WAS. If all the homosexuals on this planet were taken to their own planet where no one cared what they did in 100 years give or take the planet would be void of human beings ,BECAUSE of your inability to reproduce them naturally. In other words packing fudge will never produce children thus it is against the natural order of things. You are not worth my time,and I have cast the last pearl!
[quote]Cockney Blue wrote:
ZEB wrote:
Cockney Blue wrote:
Hitler - Religious
Stalin - Raised religious, formed his own cult religion
Saddam - Religious
Your point - Absent
Sorry didn’t think I had to spell it out. The obvious meaning is that those WITHOUT religion seem to be the worst abusers of humanity.
well shame for you that the three people that you chose had plenty of religion in their lives then. So try again…[/quote]
Hitler and Stalin did not practice any religion. Saddam had a little.
[quote]Says the person who bases their life around what an invisible man wants them to think
You see it’s statements like that which tend to make me think that you are filled with hate. There is no other good reason why you should say such things. If someone wants to believe in God what gives you the right to mock them? One reason and one reason alone—Hatred.
If someone mocks homosexuals they are called “homophobic”.
Are you “Christianphobic?” Is there some sort of fear with a root of hatred?
Seriously what motivates this sort of attack?
I have every right to mock you for believing in something ridiculous.[/quote]
Then everyone who thinks homosexuality is ridiculous (or worse) had the right to mock homosexuals? Yor logic falls short.
I see, so if everyone is jumping off a bridge then it must be the proper thing to do. You are stereotyping, no worse than someone saying that all gay men talk with a lisp. That’s narrow minded isn’t it? A few of the people who work with who happen to be Christian disrespected another persons religion therefore it’s okay for you to disrespect my religion.
Think, please, think.
This may come as a surprise to you but I would leave you alone. In America everyone is entitled to worship as they see fit. I actually have friends, good friends, who have far different beliefs than I. I’ve never mocked them, they’ve never mocked me. But then again we’re all over 40 and don’t communicate on a message board.
maybe I’ve answered my own question right there huh?
Okay, I’m done, take care and God Bless, oops sorry. Well, take care anyway.
[quote]GrandpaButch wrote:
GrandpaButch wrote:
The truth is if we put all the homosexuals on their own planet as simply that homosexuals within 100 years give ,or take you would all be gone,and your planet void of people.
forlife wrote:
You’re setting up a scarecrow argument, because the reality is that heteros are here in abundance, and gays present no risk to world population. In fact, many people are worried about the problems of overpopulation, given the limited non-renewable resources of the planet.
Boy you sure do have a reprobate mind. Like to twist things MUCH. My point regardless of how much you were unable to comprehend it WAS. If all the homosexuals on this planet were taken to their own planet where no one cared what they did in 100 years give or take the planet would be void of human beings ,BECAUSE of your inability to reproduce them naturally. In other words packing fudge will never produce children thus it is against the natural order of things. You are not worth my time,and I have cast the last pearl!
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I can’t believe I’m responding to you because your particular brand of insanity seem contagious… like rabies.
But there are several REALLY obvious problems with your post.
First, if we put a bunch of straight men on a new world, with no women, and went back in 100 years, there wouldn’t be any people on that planet either. Guess straight guys and gay guys are both terrible in your book. I imagine this has led you to hate yourself, which may partially explain your insanity.
Second, whether a population is sustainable or not isn’t directly correlated to its morality. I’m sure you like catholic priests just fine, but they’ve taken vows not to reproduce. Even if you take the 3 or 4 of them that aren’t child molesters and put them on this fairy tale planet of yours, they’ll all be dead in 100 years too.
Lastly, there are numerous documented examples of gay or bisexual animals. Are they unnatural too?
In closing, you are insane. You should get that looked at… seriously.
[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
mbm693 wrote:
Brother Chris wrote:
First off, the Theory of Gravity was not accept immediately after it was put in place, it took a great deal of time for it to be accepted. Second, these theories, that you think are new, are not. They are old theories thought to be true by narcissism when created, brushed off and called new. They however sadly (for you) are being pushed out of seminaries, and universities because they have still no evidence to back them up. Wait…what? I said wasn’t going to debate with you, guess I’m not since I just won, again.
That’s a whole lot of stupid for one paragraph, but I’ll try to smarten you up anyway.
You’ve been attacking these ideas by calling them new, and claiming that what you believe is correct b/c it’s been around longer. Now you’re telling me that the ideas I support (the origins and directions of which you are sorely mistaken about) are actually old?
Which is it?
Additionally, the point I was making was that the length of time an idea has been around has NO bearing on its validity. So attacking new ideas solely on the basis of them being new is broadcasting your stupidity to the world. Go back to special ed.
Lastly, I’ve actually read all of your posts in this thread and everyone, including me, has thoroughly kicked your ass. You’re just too stupid to realize it. You’re like a boxer that’s been KO’d and is having a dream that he’s still in the fight.
They are new for the fact they are newer than orthodox, they are just old modernisms that are being dusted off and being called newly found. Hope you understand.[/quote]
I understand that you have no concept of the logical error you are committing, or even of what the words you are typing mean. Seriously, go back to special ed.
[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
mbm693 wrote:
Buff HardBack wrote:
“just fucked up the basic vocabulary of English vocab,”…what?
No no. The part where he writes “I’ll poor your own modernism flavored kool-aid for you.” is much better.
Chris, if you’re going to be the grammar Nazi, at least have proper grammar in your posts.
To you and forlife, I am not being a grammar Nazi, even though several people on the opposite side of my argument have been grammar Nazis themselves. I was talking about vocab and using a word (misspelled or not) that was contradictory to their argument. Let’s not make this about spelling and grammar. I was solely talking about your vocabulary made it so your statement was contradictory.[/quote]
What are you even talking about? The error I made didn’t alter the meaning of my post.
You’re seriously making me want to move to Canada. If you’re what the American educational system is producing these days, we’re really fucked.
And you are delusional . My world is here where NORMAL PEOPLE make love ,and have CHILDREN. Your world is what and where? What’s wrong were all the glory holes spoken for last night that you are so testy. Name one gay animal you can’t!!! Pray tell how do gay animals reproduce the same way that the fudge packers do . GOD was wise enough to develop a SYSTEM to keep populating his world which is why one MALE ,and one FEMALE IS WHAT IS NORMAL.
You Said: Second, whether a population is sustainable or not isn’t directly correlated to its morality.
That’s totally stupid even you know that! Can’t reproduce you become extinct . No one is born a Catholic priest you become one so the possibilities for priest’s are endless on THIS EARTH,BUT Homosexuals sorry they are screwed where ever they are their JUST NOT NORMAL HA HA HA HA HA HA NORMAL HA HA HA HA HA HA HA !!!
Look, the whole world is already here. So either it sprang into existence (through the big bang since that’s what the evidence points to) or an Eternal Causer randomly sprang into existence. In order to create the world, the Eternal Causer would necessarily have to be more complicated than the world, and would therefore be less likely to exist. This is philosophy 101, please educate yourself before making foolish claims.
This is what I am talking about, the Eternal Causer is not going to randomly spring into existence, the definition of Eternal is forever. No beginning, no end. Forever.[/quote]
Same argument applies. Either the universe has always existed, or an Eternal Causer has always existed. The Eternal Causer would necessarily have to be more complicated than the universe, so it’s less likely that he has always existed. I shouldn’t have to spell this out for you.
Additionally, even if you could provide some proof of an Eternal Causer, you would only have proven that it is eternal, and that it predicated the first cause. You’ve got a long way to go from there, to your particular version of god.
I can’t believe I’m responding to you because your particular brand of insanity seem contagious… like rabies.
But there are several REALLY obvious problems with your post.
First, if we put a bunch of straight men on a new world, with no women, and went back in 100 years, there wouldn’t be any people on that planet either. Guess straight guys and gay guys are both terrible in your book. I imagine this has led you to hate yourself, which may partially explain your insanity.
Second, whether a population is sustainable or not isn’t directly correlated to its morality. I’m sure you like catholic priests just fine, but they’ve taken vows not to reproduce. Even if you take the 3 or 4 of them that aren’t child molesters and put them on this fairy tale planet of yours, they’ll all be dead in 100 years too.
Lastly, there are numerous documented examples of gay or bisexual animals. Are they unnatural too?
In closing, you are insane. You should get that looked at… seriously.
And you are delusional . My world is here where NORMAL PEOPLE make love ,and have CHILDREN. Your world is what and where? What’s wrong were all the glory holes spoken for last night that you are so testy. Name one gay animal you can’t!!! Pray tell how do gay animals reproduce the same way that the fudge packers do . GOD was wise enough to develop a SYSTEM to keep populating his world which is why one MALE ,and one FEMALE IS WHAT IS NORMAL.
You Said: Second, whether a population is sustainable or not isn’t directly correlated to its morality.
That’s totally stupid even you know that! Can’t reproduce you become extinct . No one is born a Catholic priest you become one so the possibilities for priest’s are endless on THIS EARTH,BUT Homosexuals sorry they are screwed where ever they are their JUST NOT NORMAL HA HA HA HA HA HA NORMAL HA HA HA HA HA HA HA !!![/quote]
You may not like tossed salads, but you sure do like word salad.
Hitler and Stalin did not practice any religion. Saddam had a little.
[/quote]"My feelings as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a fighter. It points me to the man who once in loneliness, surrounded by a few followers, recognized these Jews for what they were and summoned men to fight against them and who, God’s truth! was greatest not as a sufferer but as a fighter. In boundless love as a Christian and as a man I read through the passage which tells us how the Lord at last rose in His might and seized the scourge to drive out of the Temple the brood of vipers and adders. How terrific was His fight for the world against the Jewish poison. To-day, after two thousand years, with deepest emotion I recognize more profoundly than ever before the fact that it was for this that He had to shed His blood upon the Cross. As a Christian I have no duty to allow myself to be cheated, but I have the duty to be a fighter for truth and justice… And if there is anything which could demonstrate that we are acting rightly it is the distress that daily grows. For as a Christian I have also a duty to my own people.
-Adolf Hitler, in a speech on 12 April 1922 (Norman H. Baynes, ed. The Speeches of Adolf Hitler, April 1922-August 1939, Vol. 1 of 2, pp. 19-20, Oxford University Press, 1942)
“Hence today I believe that I am acting in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator: by defending myself against the Jew, I am fighting for the work of the Lord.” Adolf Hitler
I had excellent opportunity to intoxicate myself with the solemn splendor of the brilliant church festivals. As was only natural, the abbot seemed to me, as the village priest had once seemed to my father, the highest and most desirable ideal.
-Adolf Hitler (Mein Kampf)
I thank Heaven that a portion of the memories of those days still remains with me. Woods and meadows were the battlefields on which the ‘conflicts’ which exist everywhere in life were decided.
-Adolf Hitler (Mein Kampf)
Only a handful of Germans in the Reich had the slightest conception of the eternal and merciless struggle for the German language, German schools, and a German way of life. Only today, when the same deplorable misery is forced on many millions of Germans from the Reich, who under foreign rule dream of their common fatherland and strive, amid their longing, at least to preserve their holy right to their mother tongue, do wider circles understand what it means to be forced to fight for one’s nationality.
-Adolf Hitler (Mein Kampf)
Hence today I believe that I am acting in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator: by defending myself against the Jew, I am fighting for the work of the Lord.
-Adolf Hitler (Mein Kampf)
This is just a tiny selection from literally thousands of quotes.
Stalin created his own religion and Sadam was hardly atheist just because he pushed a secular modernising agenda in his country.
I see no problem with mocking homosexual effected femenism. I also see no problem with finding certain other aspects of homosexuality ridiculous and mocking them as long as you are happy with Gays mocking elements of straight culture.
what the hell are you babbling on about now? I was just stating that when people find something ridiculous they tend to mock it. I find your religion totally ridiculous and struggle to understand how so many otherwise intelligent people are taken in by it.
But you see no issue with mocking or attacking people for not believing in any of it. I agree that everyone has the right to worship as they see fit, as long as it does not impact on others. If you want Christmas day off, take a days vacation. Same with Easter. Don’t assume that the whole country has to shut down just because of your religious beliefs.
[quote]clip11 wrote:
My parents and grandparents are fundamentalist pentecostal christians, the grand ole Church of God in Christ. So as you can imagine it was drilled within my head from a early age. To me it was just a list of things I cant do or “Gods gonna get ya!” At the same time I heard God was merciful and kind and took pity on us.
Up until recently, I just accepted whatever I was told. Now that I experience life and I actually have a need to pray, it seems as if it never works. When I pray it is like im talking to a wall. Now im at the point in my life where I wouldnt be considered an atheist, but an agnostic. I want to believe, but there is nothing for me to base that belief on, except a 6000 year old book and what someone else told me. Every time I get an unanswered prayer and my grandparents tell me “What you wanted wasnt the will of God…” it just pushes me more and more away. I cant bring myself to believe in an invisible man in the sky who hasnt really done anything for me. I want to, but the proof is in the pudding.
Now my parents and granparents want to attribute everything to God…for instance, im unemployed and been searching for employment for 8 months. Im starting to realize I may not be able to find a job in which I was making what I previously made. I only made $11 a hour, which may not be alot to some, but it was good enough for me. But I might have to take a job at McDonalds flipping burgers for minimum wage or close to it.
Now the moment I get that job at McDonalds the first thing im going to hear is “Did you thank God?” and in going to be thinking WHAT THE FUCK!!! Is it a miracle that im flipping hamburgers at McDonalds??? I mean im told God is supposed to be the almighty ruler of the universe, yet the best miracle he can do for me is get me a minimum wage job at a fast food resturaunt! Oh hallelujah! I feel like speaking in tongues!
Has prayer ever worked for anyone and if so what am I doing wrong? Am I praying to the wrong God? I mean what is it?
Serious and relevant responses only!!![/quote]
I’m not reading this thread as I have ascertained is is full of crap. But to the OP, you’re an idiot. The reason you work at McDonald’s is because you are stupid. Hard work+luck=success. Your god won’t help you unless you dowork. BTW you are a sheep if you believe everything people tell you, even your parents.
[quote]GrandpaButch wrote:
If all the homosexuals on this planet were taken to their own planet where no one cared what they did in 100 years give or take the planet would be void of human beings ,BECAUSE of your inability to reproduce them naturally.[/quote]
Since when is a person’s worth measured by his fertility? Are you going to claim that infertile straight couples are inferior to you because they don’t have children? That is pretty narrow minded.
Not to mention that gay couples can provide a loving home for children that would otherwise be raised by the state.
So they’re not contributing to world overpopulation, and they are helping to care for abandoned children. Sounds pretty worthwhile to me.
[quote]Cockney Blue wrote:
"My feelings as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a fighter. It points me to the man who once in loneliness, surrounded by a few followers, recognized these Jews for what they were and summoned men to fight against them and who, God’s truth! was greatest not as a sufferer but as a fighter. In boundless love as a Christian and as a man I read through the passage which tells us how the Lord at last rose in His might and seized the scourge to drive out of the Temple the brood of vipers and adders. How terrific was His fight for the world against the Jewish poison. To-day, after two thousand years, with deepest emotion I recognize more profoundly than ever before the fact that it was for this that He had to shed His blood upon the Cross. As a Christian I have no duty to allow myself to be cheated, but I have the duty to be a fighter for truth and justice… And if there is anything which could demonstrate that we are acting rightly it is the distress that daily grows. For as a Christian I have also a duty to my own people.
-Adolf Hitler, in a speech on 12 April 1922 (Norman H. Baynes, ed. The Speeches of Adolf Hitler, April 1922-August 1939, Vol. 1 of 2, pp. 19-20, Oxford University Press, 1942)
“Hence today I believe that I am acting in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator: by defending myself against the Jew, I am fighting for the work of the Lord.” Adolf Hitler
I had excellent opportunity to intoxicate myself with the solemn splendor of the brilliant church festivals. As was only natural, the abbot seemed to me, as the village priest had once seemed to my father, the highest and most desirable ideal.
-Adolf Hitler (Mein Kampf)
I thank Heaven that a portion of the memories of those days still remains with me. Woods and meadows were the battlefields on which the ‘conflicts’ which exist everywhere in life were decided.
-Adolf Hitler (Mein Kampf)
Only a handful of Germans in the Reich had the slightest conception of the eternal and merciless struggle for the German language, German schools, and a German way of life. Only today, when the same deplorable misery is forced on many millions of Germans from the Reich, who under foreign rule dream of their common fatherland and strive, amid their longing, at least to preserve their holy right to their mother tongue, do wider circles understand what it means to be forced to fight for one’s nationality.
-Adolf Hitler (Mein Kampf)
Hence today I believe that I am acting in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator: by defending myself against the Jew, I am fighting for the work of the Lord.
-Adolf Hitler (Mein Kampf)
This is just a tiny selection from literally thousands of quotes.
Stalin created his own religion and Sadam was hardly atheist just because he pushed a secular modernising agenda in his country.
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