My last blood work showed my test level was at 208.
I told the doctor I dont want to take more test it will only further suppress me in the end.
He let me try HCG
2000 ui 2 times a week for 3 months is what he prescribed.
I have always been a bit chubby and been concerned about gyno.
Questions
- Should I be taking a SERM or an A.I. wile on HCG only?
- Am I on too much or too little HCG for too short or too long a period of time?
Background/stats
26 year sold
5 feet 11 inches 228 lbs
Found out I had low test at the beginning of this year took Axiron prescribed for three months.
Got my lifts temporally up to
Bench at 275
Squat 245
Dead lift 295
At around a months time after I stopped the Axiron. Ive started feeling lazy havent felt like working out more than twice a week. Before I had to work out twice a day. Plus gained like 8 pound and dont look very muscular anymore.
So when I went back to the doc after stopping the axiron my test was 208 lower than the test taken at the beginning of the year.
He told me I should keep on taking axiron, but Im young and dont want to further suppress myself.
My questions are # 1 and #2 at the top. Thanks
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Elevated E2 seems to be an issue with most who use HCG, but you need to get blood work after 2 or 3 weeks to see if the E2 actually is elevated and how testosterone responded. If it is elevated, you may need an AI.
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The consensus seems to be that 4000 IU per week is far too much for TRT purposes and long-term use. Leydig cell desensitization is a real issue with high doses and long-term use. Also, your E2 will probably blast into the stratosphere. With fertility treatment, it may be different since it is short-term treatment.
The idea is to use as little as you need. 500 IE Monday, Wednesday, Friday is a good starting point for monotherapy. For TRT you would probably need even less.
Good luck and keep us posted on your progress.
Thanks for the reply. The more research I do the more I realize Im going to have to modify my plan of attack.
On an unrelated note I dont get what all the weight loss HCG craze is about? I dont suddenly or even gradually feel like I just want to eat 500 cal a day.
Any input on my original post is appreciated.
Low T at 26? Something’s wrong. Have you tried finding and fixing it?
HCG alone won’t do anything about your weight without the diet. (And no guarantees WITH the diet, LOL!)
To the last poster. On my last blood work My test was 208 Im assuming this is because I was coming off axiron a test cream pump. I was originally put on it at the beginning of the year for low test. Then and still now the only reason I can think of is that im type one diabetic. I have been since I was 8 years old.
I have read in a medical journal that diabetes causes low test.
You don’t have enough info here.
You say you don’t want to be suppressed–well most people who are sick don’t want to be sick, but guess what? Life doesn’t give you that choice. If you are hypogonodal, you need medicine and unfortunately have to deal with the consequence of that medicine. So what if you are suppressed? You are getting what you need exogenously. I’ve never understood why people cling to that silly notion.
Were you primary or secondary hypogonodal (meaning low or high LH/FSH)? or did you and your doctor bother to find out?
If you felt great on the gel, why did you stop?
Its no surprise your T levels were so low for this test–you were likely still suppressed from the gel. Again, did you get LH/FSH tested?
To answer your actual questions, which are just scratching the surface:
- Yes, but only if you need it. You determine if you need it through symptoms and bloodwork.
- Your HCG dose is too high. 250 iu 3x/week has been shown to be an approximate replacement dose, so this should be the starting point.
To the last poster good point. I dont think the doctor was planning on keeping me on the Axiron permanently. When he gave it to me he said I would take it for around three months. I had a problem with my insurance and went for my follow up blood work about 4 months after. He wanted to see blood work wile still on it thats why he suggested I take it a little wile longer .
I will look into the lh test you mentioned he might have already done it he always checks
several things.
Thanks for your answer that conforms the questions I was concerned about.
If he wasn’t planning on keeping you on it permanently, what was his game plan after 3 months? take you off and hope things worked themselves out?
His exact game plan was Axiron 3 months then clomid for I dont know how long.
He just wanted a bloodwork wile on the axiron to say ok its back in range, I guess.
Then he was going to ask me to take clomid for a wile after the ax he claimed it also raises test. I doubt it it does.
I told him that is the same difference as the tamoxifen I demanded you give me wile on the axiron.
Let me give HCG a shot. No pun indented. So that how I got to this point.
I think I might have forgot to explain the fact that he is not a TRT doc at least not that I know of.
He manages my Diabetes and I just asked him to check my test this year due to feeling a little crappy and I have been lucky that he has couporated this much but he is an endo.
Jesus…bad situation
Ok oyu have your answers about the hcg. What is your game plan?
Go to the gym as much as my schedule will allow.
Try the dosing protocol the doc called for. See how it works, possibly reduce or stop it early if sides cause me to. It has not even been a week.
If I feel a case of gyno coming on I will ask them to refill my tamoxifen.
Thats my game plan
Just wanted to be prepared and know what to expect that is why I was researching and asking questions here.