I can’t respond to this without it seeming as a defense and that’s not my jam. I get where you are coming from.
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I know you disagree with that, and value your opinion, if you feel like pushing back. If you don’t feel like it, cool, but questioning me or disagreeing with me in my log is a-ok.
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Based on the description, I’d say I’m a 1A… provides a convenient excuse for my aversion to exercise variation and accessory work 
Checked out the Rock’s training plan some time back - it’s pretty damn high volume and bodybuilding-focused with MISERABLE rep ranges - starting with 4x25 on BB lunges and moving to 4x25 on leg press and then 3x20 on leg extensions, THEN MOVING TO SQUATS FOR 4X12. THEN HACK SQUATS THEN SINGLE LEG HACK SQUATS AND ITS STILL NOT OVER. It looks like the most miserable leg day ever.
Day 1: Legs
Run on Treadmill – 30-50 minutes
Eat Breakfast
Barbell Walking Lunge – 4 sets, 25 reps
Leg Press – 4 sets, 25 reps
Leg Extensions – 3 sets, 20 reps
Barbell Squat – 4 sets, 12 reps
Hack Squat – 4 sets, 12 reps
Single Leg Hack Squat – 4 sets, 12 reps
Romanian Deadlift – 4 sets, 10 reps
Seated Leg Curl – 3 sets, 20 reps
Thigh Abductor – 4 sets, 12 reps
Day 2: Back
Run on Treadmill – 30-50 minutes
Eat Breakfast
Wide-Grip Lat Pulldown – 4 sets, 12 reps
Bent Over Barbell Row – 4 sets, 12 reps
One-Arm Dumbbell Row – 4 sets, 12 reps
Barbell Deadlift – 3 sets, 10 reps
Pull-ups – 3 sets, to failure
Dumbbell Shrug – 4 sets, 12 reps
Inverted Row – 3 sets, to failure
Hyperextensions (Back) – 4 sets, 12 reps
Day 3: Shoulders
Run on Treadmill – 30-50 minutes
Eat Breakfast
Dumbbell Shoulder Press – 4 sets, 12 reps
Standing Military Press – 4 sets, 12 reps
Front Dumbbell Raise – 4 sets, 12 reps
Side Lateral Raise – 4 sets, 12 reps
Reverse Machine Flyes – 4 sets, 15 reps
Seated Bent-Over Rear Delt Raise – 4 sets, 12 reps
Day 4: Arms/Abs
Run on Treadmill – 30-50 minutes
Eat Breakfast
Dumbbell Bicep Curl – 4 sets, 15 reps
Hammer Curls – 4 sets, 15 reps
Spider Curl – 4 sets, to failure
Triceps Pushdown – 4 sets, 15 reps
Overhead Triceps – 3 sets, 15 reps
Hanging Leg Raise – 4 sets, 20 reps
Rope Crunch – 4 sets, 20 reps
Russian Twist – 4 sets, 20 reps
Day 5: Legs
Run on Treadmill – 30-50 minutes
Eat Breakfast
Barbell Walking Lunge – 4 sets, 25 reps
Leg Press – 4 sets, 25 reps
Leg Extensions – 3 sets, 20 reps
Barbell Squat – 4 sets, 12 reps
Hack Squat – 4 sets, 12 reps
Single Leg Hack Squat – 4 sets, 12 reps
Romanian Deadlift – 4 sets, 10 reps
Seated Leg Curl – 3 sets, 20 reps
Thigh Abductor – 4 sets, 12 reps
Day 6: Chest
Run on Treadmill – 30-50 minutes
Barbell Bench Press – Medium Grip – 4 sets, 12 reps
Incline Dumbbell Press – 4 sets, 12 reps
Dumbbell Bench Press – 4 sets, 12 reps
Flat Bench Cable Flyes – 4 sets, to failure
Incline Hammer Curls – 4 sets, 12 reps
Dips – Chest Version – 4 sets, to failure
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Maybe the test is flawed, rather than the concept?
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3 differently focused routines that you got excited about and totally bought into?Everything works but nothing works forever. You’re Soooo type 2A!
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Possible, but my personal theory is that the test is doing an amazing job of showing the truth about the system, in a mess of beautiful irony.
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I think it tells me something when I look at those workouts and go “fuck running for 30-50mins”
On a more serious note: the three programs and all the different approaches you listed above have all worked because of you. I know you know this, but it strikes me that if every program you try “works”, it’s not the programs that are working. Definitely food for thought for me.
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most things work, few things work exceptionally well, nothing works forever
Exactly - you could definitely paint it that way. Until you look at the excitement around new equipment and variation (doing 10,000 reps of the same movement with one kettlebell, doing everything in BTM and DW with one barbell). Less variation in these programs than maybe any other program out there.
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Thanks, dude. That’s kind of my point in a roundabout way - it all works if you’re putting the effort in. If you have a pseudo-diagnosis telling you you don’t have to work a certain way, then you’ll never work that way.
I should add I really like a lot of CT’s programs and he’s obviously very successful. I’m just not a fan of his methodology with regards to the neurotype program. Even if the test isn’t that accurate right now, or flawed, he’s still released it, stood by it, and explained every questionable result. That’s not particularly cool, IMO. But I’d still let him program for me any day, and he’s forgotten more than I know at this point. Just figured I should add that.
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I kind of agree on CT, for what little it matters.
Guy obviously knows his shit, far more than me. I just get put off massively by his writing style, even as an ex-scientist, it just doesn’t do anything for me.
And on the first point: my best progress and results have been from sheer bloody mindedness on really stupid “programs”. Imagine what could be possible on halfway sensible programs with that same bloody mindedness.
I seemingly had some browser issues on my laptop so that my reply got posted into the ether. I’ll retype my thoughts tomorrow. Not sure disagree is the word I’d use, just some remarks that have been made on the 2A that could encompass your counter-argument. I’d like to elaborate some more on what utility I find the system to have though, so again: tomorrow. I value your opinion too.
For the most part I agree with everything. I think we’re all (as a society) so skewed towards excuses and being special snowflakes, it’s not like we need anything else telling us not to do things we don’t like.
That said, I am intrigued by brain chemistry impacting physiology. I don’t know how much real variation there is from person to person, or that there is a ton of practical application, but the concepts are interesting to me.
I think, obviously, there’s a real chance we all fall in love with our own invention if it separates us from the pack.
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Yo’ arms ain’t that big, 'bro.
Lots of insightful posts about training in this log. Niiiice!!!..
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I’m a Scorpio myself.
That said, with the internet being a thing now, there’s bound to be at least ONE dude out there that thinks like you do when it comes to training (the global “you” here) and has achieved ridiculous success with it. Instead of trying to square peg/round hole it (phrasing), figure you might as well just find that dude and follow their program.
Jon Andersen clicked with me on levels that were downright scary, to include both being fat kids, both losing weight in our freshman year of high school, and both attending the exact same university and getting the same minor. Other dudes can quote Louie Simmons like gospel. Some like percentages, some like RIR, some like RPE, some like brosplits, some like HIT, etc etc. It ALL works. It only DOESN’T work when you don’t believe in it and still try to do it anyway because “it’s the best”.
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Heh. They aren’t, especially if you saw me just walking around. Flexed, and in relation to the rest of my body only, they are, haha. Makes for a good meme, and not much else.
This is gold Pwn, That is so true, especially the part about if you don’t believe and still tries to do it.
Doing a program, believe in it, UNDERSTAND it and execute it, that’s what matters, and that’s what flap is doing right here right now.
Really good shit going on in your log flap, love it.
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You forgot to mention this is done at like 3am. Damn, that’s a lot of work. Thank goodness there’s more than one way to make gainz. 
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This is why a lot of the time I don’t press the issue about how other people should train unless I’m specifically asked for advice. I just have the attitude that I’m onto a good thing and if people ask how I think they should train I say, like this, but only if all you care about is peaked performance.
What works, works. Just because something should work on paper doesn’t mean it will.
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