[quote]BIGRAGOO wrote:
orion wrote:
People driving BIIIIIG cars are doing their share of putting American troops into harms way.
Um…no. Anyone with a car that runs on a petroleum based fuel is relying on foreign oil. It doesn’t matter the size and that goes for the whole world. The world relies on oil, period. [/quote]
Um,
big car → more oil?
Wow, this thread sure took a weird turn. Needs to be moved to the politics forum 
For the original question, it would depend on what you need it for. I throw a fair amount of crap in the back of my pickup (which is very big and gets poor milage) so a h2 wouldn’t work for me. I happen to like the h2 however, I’d own one if I needed an suv.
I’ve had small cars and trucks. I’m a bigger guy so a large truck is much more comfy for me to drive. I also like that I can carry a bunch of people and a bunch of shit.
So, I “bodybuild” and I drive a big truck. I guess this means I have a micropenis.
Monopoly
[quote]orion wrote:
BIGRAGOO wrote:
orion wrote:
People driving BIIIIIG cars are doing their share of putting American troops into harms way.
Um…no. Anyone with a car that runs on a petroleum based fuel is relying on foreign oil. It doesn’t matter the size and that goes for the whole world. The world relies on oil, period.
Um,
big car → more oil?[/quote]
That’s insignificant when you add up all the cars in use around the world. The oil problem will remain until the world in entirety stops using it. A bigger gas tank on a few million cars compared to the billions of cars on the road is a drop in the bucket. Sorry, hate the SUV’s all you want, but they aren’t the problem.
[quote]BIGRAGOO wrote:
orion wrote:
BIGRAGOO wrote:
orion wrote:
People driving BIIIIIG cars are doing their share of putting American troops into harms way.
Um…no. Anyone with a car that runs on a petroleum based fuel is relying on foreign oil. It doesn’t matter the size and that goes for the whole world. The world relies on oil, period.
Um,
big car → more oil?
That’s insignificant when you add up all the cars in use around the world. The oil problem will remain until the world in entirety stops using it. A bigger gas tank on a few million cars compared to the billions of cars on the road is a drop in the bucket. Sorry, hate the SUV’s all you want, but they aren’t the problem.[/quote]
Of course you are right, I just questioned the attitude of people that stand behind basically-whatever as long as it is not too uncomfortable for them.
Americas energy consumtion is crazy though. What do you do with it? I mean if you had something to show for it, but you don?t.
[quote]orion wrote:
BIGRAGOO wrote:
orion wrote:
BIGRAGOO wrote:
orion wrote:
People driving BIIIIIG cars are doing their share of putting American troops into harms way.
Um…no. Anyone with a car that runs on a petroleum based fuel is relying on foreign oil. It doesn’t matter the size and that goes for the whole world. The world relies on oil, period.
Um,
big car → more oil?
That’s insignificant when you add up all the cars in use around the world. The oil problem will remain until the world in entirety stops using it. A bigger gas tank on a few million cars compared to the billions of cars on the road is a drop in the bucket. Sorry, hate the SUV’s all you want, but they aren’t the problem.
Of course you are right, I just questioned the attitude of people that stand behind basically-whatever as long as it is not too uncomfortable for them.
Americas energy consumtion is crazy though. What do you do with it? I mean if you had something to show for it, but you don?t.[/quote]
You hijacked the thread, but I’ll answer you anyway: The largest economy on earth consumes the largest amount of resources. Live with it.
[quote]Headhunter wrote:
orion wrote:
BIGRAGOO wrote:
orion wrote:
BIGRAGOO wrote:
orion wrote:
People driving BIIIIIG cars are doing their share of putting American troops into harms way.
Um…no. Anyone with a car that runs on a petroleum based fuel is relying on foreign oil. It doesn’t matter the size and that goes for the whole world. The world relies on oil, period.
Um,
big car → more oil?
That’s insignificant when you add up all the cars in use around the world. The oil problem will remain until the world in entirety stops using it. A bigger gas tank on a few million cars compared to the billions of cars on the road is a drop in the bucket. Sorry, hate the SUV’s all you want, but they aren’t the problem.
Of course you are right, I just questioned the attitude of people that stand behind basically-whatever as long as it is not too uncomfortable for them.
Americas energy consumtion is crazy though. What do you do with it? I mean if you had something to show for it, but you don?t.
You hijacked the thread, but I’ll answer you anyway: The largest economy on earth consumes the largest amount of resources. Live with it.
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You consume TWICE the energy per capita than Europeans. You do NOT have TWICE the GNP per capita. Not even close. Far from it.
If you add even 20% of the funding of your military to the cost of gas you probably spend as much as we do, but hey what has one have to do with the other…
[quote]BIGRAGOO wrote:
orion wrote:
People driving BIIIIIG cars are doing their share of putting American troops into harms way.
Um…no. Anyone with a car that runs on a petroleum based fuel is relying on foreign oil. It doesn’t matter the size and that goes for the whole world. The world relies on oil, period. [/quote]
Yup.
[quote]orion wrote:
Americas energy consumtion is crazy though. What do you do with it? I mean if you had something to show for it, but you don?t.[/quote]
Well, our nation is bigger than many of Europe’s nations. So based on size, USA spends a ton of enrgy on shipping and networking within it’s own boundaries. if the US was a small country, then we’d have nore to show, but since we occupy such a large piece if landmass, we use more energy to get things where they need to be… be it supplies, cousumer goods, or even people.
[quote]ZEB wrote:
mightyjuppe wrote:
My friend just traded in his H1 for a Ram SRT10. I didnt like his decision, although he didnt maintanance the H1 very well. Basically, I think the Hummers are great for style and off-roading, but they are hard to park and can get old since so many people hate you for driving one (haters). But, in my friend’s case, he went from a H1 to a Viper engine truck. pretty good trade. I dont really know what to say.
Women defifnitely love the Hummers though, and a truck is just a truck, everybody has trucks and many people including myslef think weaker “pussy” guys buy jacked up trucks to make them look manlier, go for the Hummer! Its a machine and you will get a lot of good looks!
How does a Hummer ride?
I mean I know there’s a bit of a trade off, but with my SUV (Caddy) I float down the street.[/quote]
The Hummer rides fine, its no Buick Lesbare, but its comfortable enough. The lack of some comfort is covered by the style and the fun you have driving one, in my book.
[quote]orion wrote:
BIGRAGOO wrote:
orion wrote:
BIGRAGOO wrote:
orion wrote:
People driving BIIIIIG cars are doing their share of putting American troops into harms way.
Um…no. Anyone with a car that runs on a petroleum based fuel is relying on foreign oil. It doesn’t matter the size and that goes for the whole world. The world relies on oil, period.
Um,
big car → more oil?
That’s insignificant when you add up all the cars in use around the world. The oil problem will remain until the world in entirety stops using it. A bigger gas tank on a few million cars compared to the billions of cars on the road is a drop in the bucket. Sorry, hate the SUV’s all you want, but they aren’t the problem.
Of course you are right, I just questioned the attitude of people that stand behind basically-whatever as long as it is not too uncomfortable for them.
Americas energy consumtion is crazy though. What do you do with it? I mean if you had something to show for it, but you don?t.[/quote]
You should really reread those posts of yours.
Why don’t you compare Americas economy to Austrias…enough said.
[quote]Headhunter wrote:
I saw a woman in one of those little foreign jobs KILLED when she pulled out into traffic and got t-boned by, you guessed it, a pickup truck. Now, I know that if she’d been in a proper vehicle, she may have been killed or injured as well. I think the truck had a few scratches.[/quote]
This is as much arguement against large trucks as it is for them. The size and weight of the truck contributed to the severity of the accident, a lighter, more agile vehicle may have been able to stop or avoid the the accident altogether rather than killing someone. And I didn’t say you had to justify owning a large vehicle, I just said you’re an asshole if the only reason you have for owning one is “I want it I can afford it.” I’ve stated my reasons for feeling this way. And if you can afford it then you should still be able to afford it when gas is $6+/gal like it is almost every else on the planet except of course, oil producing countries.
They’re dangerous, they’re wasteful, they’re bad for the environment. Those are facts. You don’t need to justify anything, there is no justification for it. I can afford an SUV, I could drive a hybrid as well, I don’t do either, I’ve settled for a middle of the road luxury vehicle that gets about 30mpg on the highway. I’d feel silly driving around in a monster truck with a pristine, never been used bed liner and a trailer hitch with all of it’s chrome entact but that’s just me.
BTW, in college, when all of my money was paying for tuition and Jack Daniels… I drove an Escort. I was rear ended by a semi who didn’t feel like stopping at a red light I was sitting at, shoved me out in the intersection. I drove away from that with a shatered rear liftgate (escort wagon) he was driven away in the back of a cop car. The settlement paid off the lein on my car and some of my tuition so I guess I won that one
Ultimately, own what you like but don’t pretend that your choice in vehicle doesn’t effect anyone else, it does, in a very real and negative way. If you don’t give a shit about what you do the people around you, that’s fine, that’s you’re perogative… but it also makes you an asshole.
[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
KiloSprinter wrote:
I hate all H2 drivers by default. Most of the time I see a teenage girl or soccer mom driving it around town. I want to punch them in their face. Especially since they drive like idiots and the last one I saw made a right turn on red right at me while I was on my bike. ‘Fuct you and your H2’
I bet they are proud of their 6 mpg they get too.
I concur.
The people with H2’s, it seems to me, rarely have ever needed anything larger a Toyota. The people that drive them do so for the attention it brings to them.
Being as its GM, it’s probably built like garbage also.
So I say also, “Fuck you and your H2”[/quote]
You both have a good point. But…most people with the money to spend on cars like that dont care about mpg, and they don’t look too deep into cars except for their look and performance. People with lots of money spend it because they can, and because they want to enjoy it. Not to impress people. People think they do it to impress bc they most likely dont have that kind of money and they are jealous. Jealousy turns to hate. Also, alot of women tend to like bigger vehicles bc it makes them feel safer, eventhough it really isnt any safer than a compact car. Just like how a woman feels more protected by a boyfriend who is big and buff…
There are plenty of people out there that can’t drive worth a shit, but they dont all drive H2s and huge trucks. This is almost turning into steriotyping people who have money to buy these type of cars.
BTW, if you really have your heart set on one of those two vehicles, go with the Ram. Great ride, fun to drive and do a google video search on Hummer Off Road for a laugh. I’m not a huge fan of GM cars, sad since I work for them but there’s nothing they’re currently producing outside the Cadillac line up that even remotely interests me. Dodge and Ford both make great light and medium duty trucks but between the two I like the Dodge more. Of course I’m a little biased because I used to sell Dodge Rams.
On the fuel economy thing, the US regulates fuel economy in cars, we have federally mandated minimum requirements based on curb weight. Most of Europe does not. The averge mgp of cars in the US? 20mgp, Europe? 40mpg. We’re regulated and the fuel economy is worse, they’re not regulated and it’s litereally twice as good even on trucks and vans. Because gas is more expensive there and that drives the market for more efficient vehicles.
I think Ford has the right idea right now with that new Hybrid SUV, seems like Lexus has one coming out as well or it might already be on the market.
mightyjuppe, you’re being way to reasonable for this thread
Note, I didn’t say owning one of these things makes you an asshole, I said not giving a shit about how you negatively impact your fellow man makes you an asshole. To whit, we’re all assholes to some degree, I’m sure there are things I do that must piss someone off somewhere and I’m not worried about it.
[quote]Xvim wrote:
BTW, if you really have your heart set on one of those two vehicles, go with the Ram. Great ride, fun to drive and do a google video search on Hummer Off Road for a laugh. I’m not a huge fan of GM cars, sad since I work for them but there’s nothing they’re currently producing outside the Cadillac line up that even remotely interests me. Dodge and Ford both make great light and medium duty trucks but between the two I like the Dodge more. Of course I’m a little biased because I used to sell Dodge Rams.
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H1 isn’t GM (close, but not quite) its AM General.
However, supposedly, the H3 is the best stock off road vehicle that GM has ever made.
The H1 and the H2 are both built by AM General for GM at the Mishawaka plant, some models of the H1 use a GM built engine, most of the H2’s use GM engines and the H3 is wholely manufactured by GM. Ilm part of incident managment for the material systems for most GM plants including the Mishawaka plant and some support for the Saturn plants.
The H1 is an amazing vehicle it’s just not something for every day use, sort of like a Viper would be a toy. I’d have a hard time spending $150k on a really cool toy though so I’ll probably never own one.
If the original poster was serious though, and wanted a vehicle to drive around in and pimp out some I still recomend the Dodge Ram.
[quote]4est wrote:
You do make a VERY valid point about maintenace though. I would assume that applies across the board moreso than just to hippies.
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Well yes, of course it applies across the board. That isn’t the issue. My point is that 99% of people DON’T do it, whether the car necessitates it or not. The same people that tell me what great gas mileage their 1.x Liter car gets are usually the same ones telling me how they’ve needed a tuneup for a few thousand miles.
Let me preface this by saying I like bigger cars anyways…that said.
Another interesting thing is the “I drive a truck because it’s bigger than a small car and will therefore survive a wreck better,” argument. Yes, this makes sense, but couldn’t the same argument be used to start a kindof “arms race” of larger and larger vehicles? You may have gotten your Ram to be safer in, but someone else may slam into you with one of those new Internationals.
[quote]magnetnerd wrote:
Was the emission test on the Challenger done just for fun? I’m pretty sure a car of that age doesn’t have to pass emissions.
I know it sounds like I’m one of those tree-hugging hippies, but I’m not - I drive a truck. [/quote]
Of course it was done for fun. I bought the car SPECIFICALLY because I knew we were going to get emissions tests and I didn’t want to have to deal with them. It’s completely exempt. We actually did it just to see how a well dialed in car compared to a totally out of shape(read: typical) LEV “Low Emissions Vehicle.” The challenger is injected, has no catalytic converter(much less two or three of them), and is lacking many of the other mechanical advantages of a modern engine. We were just curious.
[quote]Xvim wrote:
BTW, if you really have your heart set on one of those two vehicles, go with the Ram. Great ride, fun to drive and do a google video search on Hummer Off Road for a laugh. I’m not a huge fan of GM cars, sad since I work for them but there’s nothing they’re currently producing outside the Cadillac line up that even remotely interests me. Dodge and Ford both make great light and medium duty trucks but between the two I like the Dodge more. Of course I’m a little biased because I used to sell Dodge Rams.
On the fuel economy thing, the US regulates fuel economy in cars, we have federally mandated minimum requirements based on curb weight. Most of Europe does not. The averge mgp of cars in the US? 20mgp, Europe? 40mpg. We’re regulated and the fuel economy is worse, they’re not regulated and it’s litereally twice as good even on trucks and vans. Because gas is more expensive there and that drives the market for more efficient vehicles.
I think Ford has the right idea right now with that new Hybrid SUV, seems like Lexus has one coming out as well or it might already be on the market.[/quote]
Good stuff! In all honesty, my wife prefers an H2. Says she doesn’t ‘feel right’ in the Ram. She thinks its too much of a guy-vehicle. But since I’ll drive it most of the time, we’re going with the Ram.
And I’d still like to put those fucking teeth on the hood!
[quote]Monopoly19 wrote:
Wow, this thread sure took a weird turn. Needs to be moved to the politics forum
For the original question, it would depend on what you need it for. I throw a fair amount of crap in the back of my pickup (which is very big and gets poor milage) so a h2 wouldn’t work for me. I happen to like the h2 however, I’d own one if I needed an suv.
I’ve had small cars and trucks. I’m a bigger guy so a large truck is much more comfy for me to drive. I also like that I can carry a bunch of people and a bunch of shit.
So, I “bodybuild” and I drive a big truck. I guess this means I have a micropenis.
Monopoly[/quote]
Yeah, I should have known that some posters would turn this into a ‘gas-guzzlers are evil’ thread. Since I’m going to buy a new Ram, thought I’d try to start a funny thread about it. Fucked it up bad!!
I’m on the large size also so I NEED a big vehicle. I’m 6’7" and 280. How would I fit into one of those little soapbox derby cars?