Documentary: The Disappearing Male

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[quote]DBCooper wrote:

[quote]Gettnitdone wrote:

[quote]csulli wrote:

[quote]Gettnitdone wrote:
But your above posts in this thread do smell of beta-bitch insecurity.[/quote]

LOL. What does that even mean?[/quote]

You obviously play video games, which is why you went straight into defensive mode about my video games post, even taking it out of the context I intended.

The actual content of video games are not a problem but the behaviour of choosing to allocate time to that activity may be taking away from social interaction, which is a partial reason for the described deprecation of masculinity in men.[/quote]

I don’t play video games at all and haven’t owned any game system since the original Nintendo came out, which I grew bored of after about two years, so I’m hardly an expert on this matter. That being said, I have friends who play those fucking first-person shooter games until the early hours of the morning every goddamned weekend. I’m pretty sure that they play with each other all the time, as in they are all playing together in the same room.

Sure, they play with people from all over the planet and they do frequently also play by themselves, but the point is that they hardly play these things in solitary confinement on a regular basis. I’m not sure if three or four guys sitting in a room taking turns with the bong and the video controllers constitutes social interaction, but whatever.

Another thing to consider is that two centuries ago, when most people in this thread would probably argue that men were men and not “beta-bitches” as you have so eloquently stated, people didn’t interact with each other all that often either. They might have interacted with their own families, but people didn’t live in the same sort of clustered society that we live in today. Going to the store was a far less frequent occurrence, if they went at all. Many people lived in places where they rarely interacted with anyone outside their own families except on Sundays at church.

I think that video games definitely are a factor in people being different today than they were back then, but I don’t think those differences extend to the de-masculinization of men. I think the effect that video games is having is probably more in terms of our attention spans and what we need in order to be stimulated, sort of like the porn addiction thing. Are we playing more video games because we need more stimulus, or do we need more stimulus because we play video games more often? I don’t know, but I don’t think you know either.

The more pertinent question here as someone else mentioned, which has been covered ad nauseum and is ENTIRELY subjective, is what exactly makes a man a masculine man. Personally, I don’t really think it has anything to do with anything other than our abilities to take care of our families. I think the declining rate of violence in the United States is a clear sign of an increase in masculinity, but others might argue differently if they think that masculinity entails violence. I don’t think so at all, because violence is almost always in the form of a crime, and it is hard to take care of your family if you are in jail as a violent criminal.

However, that would also mean that being a masculine man would mean that you would have to have a family to take care of in the first place. Many men don’t have children or a wife and their parents aren’t old or infirm enough to need someone else taking care of them. I have no children and neither my parents nor anyone else in my family needs me to care for them. So in that sense, masculinity may simply mean the ability to take care of oneself instead, which isn’t a masculine trait at all. Women are just as capable of doing that as I or any other man is, and I don’t think it’s fair to women to say that they are masculine simply because they can take care of their own shit.

So the reality is that the most all-encompassing definition of what it means to be masculine is more along the lines of what it means to be a good, responsible person in general, regardless of gender or sex. All that other bullshit like “masculine men shoot guns” or “masculine men are physically strong” or “masculine men don’t show emotions” or whatever is a bunch of Hollywood superficiality that has no bearing in reality whatsoever. In my mind, “masculine” men are simply good people, period. So even the most feminine of men can still be more masculine than someone who most people would point to as being masculine. It has nothing to do with sexuality or hobbies or anything else material like that. It’s a very ethereal quality that isn’t absolute by any means.[/quote]

This is a great, well thought out post. I am baffled the same person who wrote this claims a lion would beat a polar bear. >:(

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[quote]csulli wrote:

[quote]DBCooper wrote:

[quote]Gettnitdone wrote:

[quote]csulli wrote:

[quote]Gettnitdone wrote:
But your above posts in this thread do smell of beta-bitch insecurity.[/quote]

LOL. What does that even mean?[/quote]

You obviously play video games, which is why you went straight into defensive mode about my video games post, even taking it out of the context I intended.

The actual content of video games are not a problem but the behaviour of choosing to allocate time to that activity may be taking away from social interaction, which is a partial reason for the described deprecation of masculinity in men.[/quote]

I don’t play video games at all and haven’t owned any game system since the original Nintendo came out, which I grew bored of after about two years, so I’m hardly an expert on this matter. That being said, I have friends who play those fucking first-person shooter games until the early hours of the morning every goddamned weekend. I’m pretty sure that they play with each other all the time, as in they are all playing together in the same room.

Sure, they play with people from all over the planet and they do frequently also play by themselves, but the point is that they hardly play these things in solitary confinement on a regular basis. I’m not sure if three or four guys sitting in a room taking turns with the bong and the video controllers constitutes social interaction, but whatever.

Another thing to consider is that two centuries ago, when most people in this thread would probably argue that men were men and not “beta-bitches” as you have so eloquently stated, people didn’t interact with each other all that often either. They might have interacted with their own families, but people didn’t live in the same sort of clustered society that we live in today. Going to the store was a far less frequent occurrence, if they went at all. Many people lived in places where they rarely interacted with anyone outside their own families except on Sundays at church.

I think that video games definitely are a factor in people being different today than they were back then, but I don’t think those differences extend to the de-masculinization of men. I think the effect that video games is having is probably more in terms of our attention spans and what we need in order to be stimulated, sort of like the porn addiction thing. Are we playing more video games because we need more stimulus, or do we need more stimulus because we play video games more often? I don’t know, but I don’t think you know either.

The more pertinent question here as someone else mentioned, which has been covered ad nauseum and is ENTIRELY subjective, is what exactly makes a man a masculine man. Personally, I don’t really think it has anything to do with anything other than our abilities to take care of our families. I think the declining rate of violence in the United States is a clear sign of an increase in masculinity, but others might argue differently if they think that masculinity entails violence. I don’t think so at all, because violence is almost always in the form of a crime, and it is hard to take care of your family if you are in jail as a violent criminal.

However, that would also mean that being a masculine man would mean that you would have to have a family to take care of in the first place. Many men don’t have children or a wife and their parents aren’t old or infirm enough to need someone else taking care of them. I have no children and neither my parents nor anyone else in my family needs me to care for them. So in that sense, masculinity may simply mean the ability to take care of oneself instead, which isn’t a masculine trait at all. Women are just as capable of doing that as I or any other man is, and I don’t think it’s fair to women to say that they are masculine simply because they can take care of their own shit.

So the reality is that the most all-encompassing definition of what it means to be masculine is more along the lines of what it means to be a good, responsible person in general, regardless of gender or sex. All that other bullshit like “masculine men shoot guns” or “masculine men are physically strong” or “masculine men don’t show emotions” or whatever is a bunch of Hollywood superficiality that has no bearing in reality whatsoever. In my mind, “masculine” men are simply good people, period. So even the most feminine of men can still be more masculine than someone who most people would point to as being masculine. It has nothing to do with sexuality or hobbies or anything else material like that. It’s a very ethereal quality that isn’t absolute by any means.[/quote]

This is a great, well thought out post. I am baffled the same person who wrote this claims a lion would beat a polar bear. >:([/quote]

LOL! At least some people on this site have a good sense of humor.

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[quote]DBCooper wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]DBCooper wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]DBCooper wrote:

[quote]imhungry wrote:

[quote]DBCooper wrote:

[quote]Gettnitdone wrote:

[quote]csulli wrote:

[quote]Gettnitdone wrote:
But your above posts in this thread do smell of beta-bitch insecurity.[/quote]

LOL. What does that even mean?[/quote]

You obviously play video games, which is why you went straight into defensive mode about my video games post, even taking it out of the context I intended.

The actual content of video games are not a problem but the behaviour of choosing to allocate time to that activity may be taking away from social interaction, which is a partial reason for the described deprecation of masculinity in men.[/quote]

I don’t play video games at all and haven’t owned any game system since the original Nintendo came out, which I grew bored of after about two years, so I’m hardly an expert on this matter. That being said, I have friends who play those fucking first-person shooter games until the early hours of the morning every goddamned weekend. I’m pretty sure that they play with each other all the time, as in they are all playing together in the same room.

Sure, they play with people from all over the planet and they do frequently also play by themselves, but the point is that they hardly play these things in solitary confinement on a regular basis. I’m not sure if three or four guys sitting in a room taking turns with the bong and the video controllers constitutes social interaction, but whatever.

Another thing to consider is that two centuries ago, when most people in this thread would probably argue that men were men and not “beta-bitches” as you have so eloquently stated, people didn’t interact with each other all that often either. They might have interacted with their own families, but people didn’t live in the same sort of clustered society that we live in today. Going to the store was a far less frequent occurrence, if they went at all. Many people lived in places where they rarely interacted with anyone outside their own families except on Sundays at church.

I think that video games definitely are a factor in people being different today than they were back then, but I don’t think those differences extend to the de-masculinization of men. I think the effect that video games is having is probably more in terms of our attention spans and what we need in order to be stimulated, sort of like the porn addiction thing. Are we playing more video games because we need more stimulus, or do we need more stimulus because we play video games more often? I don’t know, but I don’t think you know either.

The more pertinent question here as someone else mentioned, which has been covered ad nauseum and is ENTIRELY subjective, is what exactly makes a man a masculine man. Personally, I don’t really think it has anything to do with anything other than our abilities to take care of our families. I think the declining rate of violence in the United States is a clear sign of an increase in masculinity, but others might argue differently if they think that masculinity entails violence. I don’t think so at all, because violence is almost always in the form of a crime, and it is hard to take care of your family if you are in jail as a violent criminal.

However, that would also mean that being a masculine man would mean that you would have to have a family to take care of in the first place. Many men don’t have children or a wife and their parents aren’t old or infirm enough to need someone else taking care of them. I have no children and neither nor anyone else in my family needs me to care for them. So in that sense, masculinity may simply mean the ability to take care of oneself instead, which isn’t a masculine trait at all. Women are just as capable of doing that as I or any other man is, and I don’t think it’s fair to women to say that they are masculine simply because they can take care of their own shit.

So the reality is that the most all-encompassing definition of what it means to be masculine is more along the lines of what it means to be a good, responsible person in general, regardless of gender or sex. All that other bullshit like “masculine men shoot guns” or “masculine men are physically strong” or “masculine men don’t show emotions” or whatever is a bunch of Hollywood superficiality that has no bearing in reality whatsoever. In my mind, “masculine” men are simply good people, period. So even the most feminine of men can still be more masculine than someone who most people would point to as being masculine. It has nothing to do with sexuality or hobbies or anything else material like that. It’s a very ethereal quality that isn’t absolute by any means.[/quote]

Damn good post. As usual.
[/quote]

This is about the time that Pushharder comes in, calls me Delbert, and then says I’m wrong. I know a lot of people here think he’s masculine, and he appears to take care of his own shit pretty well so I won’t argue that he isn’t in that respect. But I think most of the people who think he’s the definition of masculinity think so for other reasons. Personally, I think most of what he believes when he and I get into these arguments is based in fear; he’s driven by his fears, not his strengths, and then identifies his ability to recognize those fears as a strength.

Take the whole gun thing. Who the fuck needs an automatic weapon? Do we really need to protect ourselves from the enemy that, for 99.999999999%of us will never come? Of course not. I don’t fear the govt or some random intruder coming into my home. I don’t think along fear-based lines like that.

Of course, knowing my luck this is probably the one long post that he’ll actually agree with 100%, so I apologize in advance, Push, if it is.[/quote]

What is this jibber jabber?

Yes, Ph is the shit, yes, we need the GUNZ for the 100% chance that our respective gubbamints will decide to live la vida loco, also, my penis is bigger than yours.

[/quote]

I’m sorry, who are you?[/quote]

The shizzle, compared to your drizzle.

With all due respect to your intelligence, you are an ignorant motherfucker that is blind to the world before his very eyes.

I shudder at the thought of how much energy is wasted maintaining that illusion.

[/quote]

Coming from a scared little child who huddles in fear of the big bad gov’t, I take your post as a compliment.[/quote]

You know, big bad governments have standing armies, i.e. men with guns.

Yes, that scares me.

As opposed to you, being scared of non PC thought crimes.

Bitch.

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[quote]csulli wrote:

[quote]DBCooper wrote:

[quote]Gettnitdone wrote:

[quote]csulli wrote:

[quote]Gettnitdone wrote:
But your above posts in this thread do smell of beta-bitch insecurity.[/quote]

LOL. What does that even mean?[/quote]

You obviously play video games, which is why you went straight into defensive mode about my video games post, even taking it out of the context I intended.

The actual content of video games are not a problem but the behaviour of choosing to allocate time to that activity may be taking away from social interaction, which is a partial reason for the described deprecation of masculinity in men.[/quote]

I don’t play video games at all and haven’t owned any game system since the original Nintendo came out, which I grew bored of after about two years, so I’m hardly an expert on this matter. That being said, I have friends who play those fucking first-person shooter games until the early hours of the morning every goddamned weekend. I’m pretty sure that they play with each other all the time, as in they are all playing together in the same room.

Sure, they play with people from all over the planet and they do frequently also play by themselves, but the point is that they hardly play these things in solitary confinement on a regular basis. I’m not sure if three or four guys sitting in a room taking turns with the bong and the video controllers constitutes social interaction, but whatever.

Another thing to consider is that two centuries ago, when most people in this thread would probably argue that men were men and not “beta-bitches” as you have so eloquently stated, people didn’t interact with each other all that often either. They might have interacted with their own families, but people didn’t live in the same sort of clustered society that we live in today. Going to the store was a far less frequent occurrence, if they went at all. Many people lived in places where they rarely interacted with anyone outside their own families except on Sundays at church.

I think that video games definitely are a factor in people being different today than they were back then, but I don’t think those differences extend to the de-masculinization of men. I think the effect that video games is having is probably more in terms of our attention spans and what we need in order to be stimulated, sort of like the porn addiction thing. Are we playing more video games because we need more stimulus, or do we need more stimulus because we play video games more often? I don’t know, but I don’t think you know either.

The more pertinent question here as someone else mentioned, which has been covered ad nauseum and is ENTIRELY subjective, is what exactly makes a man a masculine man. Personally, I don’t really think it has anything to do with anything other than our abilities to take care of our families. I think the declining rate of violence in the United States is a clear sign of an increase in masculinity, but others might argue differently if they think that masculinity entails violence. I don’t think so at all, because violence is almost always in the form of a crime, and it is hard to take care of your family if you are in jail as a violent criminal.

However, that would also mean that being a masculine man would mean that you would have to have a family to take care of in the first place. Many men don’t have children or a wife and their parents aren’t old or infirm enough to need someone else taking care of them. I have no children and neither my parents nor anyone else in my family needs me to care for them. So in that sense, masculinity may simply mean the ability to take care of oneself instead, which isn’t a masculine trait at all. Women are just as capable of doing that as I or any other man is, and I don’t think it’s fair to women to say that they are masculine simply because they can take care of their own shit.

So the reality is that the most all-encompassing definition of what it means to be masculine is more along the lines of what it means to be a good, responsible person in general, regardless of gender or sex. All that other bullshit like “masculine men shoot guns” or “masculine men are physically strong” or “masculine men don’t show emotions” or whatever is a bunch of Hollywood superficiality that has no bearing in reality whatsoever. In my mind, “masculine” men are simply good people, period. So even the most feminine of men can still be more masculine than someone who most people would point to as being masculine. It has nothing to do with sexuality or hobbies or anything else material like that. It’s a very ethereal quality that isn’t absolute by any means.[/quote]

This is a great, well thought out post. I am baffled the same person who wrote this claims a lion would beat a polar bear. >:([/quote]

Says the wild dog rapist.

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[quote]imhungry wrote:

[quote]csulli wrote:

This is a great, well thought out post. I am baffled the same person who wrote this claims a lion would beat a polar bear. >:([/quote]

Says the wild dog rapist.[/quote]
Ha! Touche.

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One other thing, Orion. If the Big Bad Gov’t really did plan on taking over everything or doing whatever it is that you think they’re planning on doing or possibly could do that would warrant owning an arsenal of automatic weapons to defend yourself, do you think that shit is going to make a difference?

If the gov’t really wanted to do what you huddle in fear of, you’re powerless to stop it no matter what. If you were two-fisting it with AR-15s in each hand you couldn’t stop one fucking wacko rolling down the street in a lightly-armored tank, let alone the entire might of the U.S. Armed Forces. You’d be dead before you even knew there was any danger. If you’re afraid of the gov’t taking you over in that manner and you think you can do anything with guns to stop it, you’ve seen about three too many Rambo films.

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[quote]orion wrote:

The shizzle, compared to your drizzle.

With all due respect to your intelligence, you are an ignorant motherfucker that is blind to the world before his very eyes.

I shudder at the thought of how much energy is wasted maintaining that illusion.

[/quote]

Right?

This is my favourite bit

[quote]DBCooper wrote:

I think the declining rate of violence in the United States is a clear sign of an increase in masculinity,
[/quote]

The declining rate of violence in the US has to do with legalized abortion. As a direct result of Roe vs Wade, the number of children most at risk for committing crime weren’t born. So basically the people who were supposed to be committing those crimes were never there. Combine this with the fact the average age has increased due to baby boomers reaching retirement and you have a recipe for dramatic crime decrease.

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[quote]DBCooper wrote:
Women are just as capable of doing that as I or any other man is, and I don’t think it’s fair to women to say that they are masculine simply because they can take care of their own shit.

[/quote]

You mean a group of people who are instinctively averse to taking responsibility for anything?

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Shit Orion, even if you and every motherfucker on your block were loaded to the teeth with weapons you’d be powerless against a small, well-trained and well-armed group of soldiers. Throw in the odd tank or helicopter and you’re even more fucked. Add in a Predator drone or three, satellite imagery or just one obsolete fighter jet with a 1,000 lb bomb on it and you’re toast.

If you fear the gov’t that much, you may as well give yourself some sort of fighting chance and attack preemptively while you still have the element of surprise on your side. You’d better start gathering your army now and try to take over the nearest federal armory, John Brown-style, because if you don’t you are completely fucked otherwise. What the FUCK are all the AK-47s in the world going to do against one well-aimed tactical nuke?

And I’m the ignorant motherfucker? Standing armies? That’s what you’re afraid of? You’re a fucking loony 'toon pal!

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[quote]csulli wrote:

[quote]imhungry wrote:

[quote]csulli wrote:

This is a great, well thought out post. I am baffled the same person who wrote this claims a lion would beat a polar bear. >:([/quote]

Says the wild dog rapist.[/quote]
Ha! Touche.
[/quote]

Okay, this sounds like there’s a good story behind it. Does this have anything to do with that “wild dogs eat child” thread from awhile back?

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Guns don?t kill people, people raised by single mothers kill people

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[quote]therajraj wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

The shizzle, compared to your drizzle.

With all due respect to your intelligence, you are an ignorant motherfucker that is blind to the world before his very eyes.

I shudder at the thought of how much energy is wasted maintaining that illusion.

[/quote]

Right?

This is my favourite bit

[quote]DBCooper wrote:

I think the declining rate of violence in the United States is a clear sign of an increase in masculinity,
[/quote]

The declining rate of violence in the US has to do with legalized abortion. As a direct result of Roe vs Wade, the number of children most at risk for committing crime weren’t born. So basically the people who were supposed to be committing those crimes were never there. Combine this with the fact the average age has increased due to baby boomers reaching retirement and you have a recipe for dramatic crime decrease.

[/quote]
Seriously?

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[quote]therajraj wrote:

[quote]DBCooper wrote:
Women are just as capable of doing that as I or any other man is, and I don’t think it’s fair to women to say that they are masculine simply because they can take care of their own shit.

[/quote]

You mean a group of people who are instinctively averse to taking responsibility for anything?[/quote]

Instinctively averse to taking responsibility for anything? Every mother in this thread is laughing at how ignorant you are right now, Raj.

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[quote]imhungry wrote:

[quote]therajraj wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

The shizzle, compared to your drizzle.

With all due respect to your intelligence, you are an ignorant motherfucker that is blind to the world before his very eyes.

I shudder at the thought of how much energy is wasted maintaining that illusion.

[/quote]

Right?

This is my favourite bit

[quote]DBCooper wrote:

I think the declining rate of violence in the United States is a clear sign of an increase in masculinity,
[/quote]

The declining rate of violence in the US has to do with legalized abortion. As a direct result of Roe vs Wade, the number of children most at risk for committing crime weren’t born. So basically the people who were supposed to be committing those crimes were never there. Combine this with the fact the average age has increased due to baby boomers reaching retirement and you have a recipe for dramatic crime decrease.

[/quote]
Seriously?[/quote]

Don’t even start in with Raj. This is the same guy who has tried to lecture me over and over about how the game of baseball works even though he’s never played a single competitive inning of it in his entire life and I played competitively for years.

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[quote]imhungry wrote:

[quote]therajraj wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

The shizzle, compared to your drizzle.

With all due respect to your intelligence, you are an ignorant motherfucker that is blind to the world before his very eyes.

I shudder at the thought of how much energy is wasted maintaining that illusion.

[/quote]

Right?

This is my favourite bit

[quote]DBCooper wrote:

I think the declining rate of violence in the United States is a clear sign of an increase in masculinity,
[/quote]

The declining rate of violence in the US has to do with legalized abortion. As a direct result of Roe vs Wade, the number of children most at risk for committing crime weren’t born. So basically the people who were supposed to be committing those crimes were never there. Combine this with the fact the average age has increased due to baby boomers reaching retirement and you have a recipe for dramatic crime decrease.

[/quote]
Seriously?[/quote]

Yes

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[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]DBCooper wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]DBCooper wrote:

[quote]imhungry wrote:

[quote]DBCooper wrote:

[quote]Gettnitdone wrote:

[quote]csulli wrote:

[quote]Gettnitdone wrote:
But your above posts in this thread do smell of beta-bitch insecurity.[/quote]

LOL. What does that even mean?[/quote]

You obviously play video games, which is why you went straight into defensive mode about my video games post, even taking it out of the context I intended.

The actual content of video games are not a problem but the behaviour of choosing to allocate time to that activity may be taking away from social interaction, which is a partial reason for the described deprecation of masculinity in men.[/quote]

I don’t play video games at all and haven’t owned any game system since the original Nintendo came out, which I grew bored of after about two years, so I’m hardly an expert on this matter. That being said, I have friends who play those fucking first-person shooter games until the early hours of the morning every goddamned weekend. I’m pretty sure that they play with each other all the time, as in they are all playing together in the same room.

Sure, they play with people from all over the planet and they do frequently also play by themselves, but the point is that they hardly play these things in solitary confinement on a regular basis. I’m not sure if three or four guys sitting in a room taking turns with the bong and the video controllers constitutes social interaction, but whatever.

Another thing to consider is that two centuries ago, when most people in this thread would probably argue that men were men and not “beta-bitches” as you have so eloquently stated, people didn’t interact with each other all that often either. They might have interacted with their own families, but people didn’t live in the same sort of clustered society that we live in today. Going to the store was a far less frequent occurrence, if they went at all. Many people lived in places where they rarely interacted with anyone outside their own families except on Sundays at church.

I think that video games definitely are a factor in people being different today than they were back then, but I don’t think those differences extend to the de-masculinization of men. I think the effect that video games is having is probably more in terms of our attention spans and what we need in order to be stimulated, sort of like the porn addiction thing. Are we playing more video games because we need more stimulus, or do we need more stimulus because we play video games more often? I don’t know, but I don’t think you know either.

The more pertinent question here as someone else mentioned, which has been covered ad nauseum and is ENTIRELY subjective, is what exactly makes a man a masculine man. Personally, I don’t really think it has anything to do with anything other than our abilities to take care of our families. I think the declining rate of violence in the United States is a clear sign of an increase in masculinity, but others might argue differently if they think that masculinity entails violence. I don’t think so at all, because violence is almost always in the form of a crime, and it is hard to take care of your family if you are in jail as a violent criminal.

However, that would also mean that being a masculine man would mean that you would have to have a family to take care of in the first place. Many men don’t have children or a wife and their parents aren’t old or infirm enough to need someone else taking care of them. I have no children and neither nor anyone else in my family needs me to care for them. So in that sense, masculinity may simply mean the ability to take care of oneself instead, which isn’t a masculine trait at all. Women are just as capable of doing that as I or any other man is, and I don’t think it’s fair to women to say that they are masculine simply because they can take care of their own shit.

So the reality is that the most all-encompassing definition of what it means to be masculine is more along the lines of what it means to be a good, responsible person in general, regardless of gender or sex. All that other bullshit like “masculine men shoot guns” or “masculine men are physically strong” or “masculine men don’t show emotions” or whatever is a bunch of Hollywood superficiality that has no bearing in reality whatsoever. In my mind, “masculine” men are simply good people, period. So even the most feminine of men can still be more masculine than someone who most people would point to as being masculine. It has nothing to do with sexuality or hobbies or anything else material like that. It’s a very ethereal quality that isn’t absolute by any means.[/quote]

Damn good post. As usual.
[/quote]

This is about the time that Pushharder comes in, calls me Delbert, and then says I’m wrong. I know a lot of people here think he’s masculine, and he appears to take care of his own shit pretty well so I won’t argue that he isn’t in that respect. But I think most of the people who think he’s the definition of masculinity think so for other reasons. Personally, I think most of what he believes when he and I get into these arguments is based in fear; he’s driven by his fears, not his strengths, and then identifies his ability to recognize those fears as a strength.

Take the whole gun thing. Who the fuck needs an automatic weapon? Do we really need to protect ourselves from the enemy that, for 99.999999999%of us will never come? Of course not. I don’t fear the govt or some random intruder coming into my home. I don’t think along fear-based lines like that.

Of course, knowing my luck this is probably the one long post that he’ll actually agree with 100%, so I apologize in advance, Push, if it is.[/quote]

What is this jibber jabber?

Yes, Ph is the shit, yes, we need the GUNZ for the 100% chance that our respective gubbamints will decide to live la vida loco, also, my penis is bigger than yours.

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I’m sorry, who are you?[/quote]

The shizzle, compared to your drizzle.

With all due respect to your intelligence, you are an ignorant motherfucker that is blind to the world before his very eyes.

I shudder at the thought of how much energy is wasted maintaining that illusion.

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I play video games too, but mainly Arkham City ATM; the fact that I get to play as Batman nullifies any adverse affects, perceived or otherwise.

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[quote]xjusticex2013x wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]DBCooper wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]DBCooper wrote:

[quote]imhungry wrote:

[quote]DBCooper wrote:

[quote]Gettnitdone wrote:

[quote]csulli wrote:

[quote]Gettnitdone wrote:
But your above posts in this thread do smell of beta-bitch insecurity.[/quote]

LOL. What does that even mean?[/quote]

You obviously play video games, which is why you went straight into defensive mode about my video games post, even taking it out of the context I intended.

The actual content of video games are not a problem but the behaviour of choosing to allocate time to that activity may be taking away from social interaction, which is a partial reason for the described deprecation of masculinity in men.[/quote]

I don’t play video games at all and haven’t owned any game system since the original Nintendo came out, which I grew bored of after about two years, so I’m hardly an expert on this matter. That being said, I have friends who play those fucking first-person shooter games until the early hours of the morning every goddamned weekend. I’m pretty sure that they play with each other all the time, as in they are all playing together in the same room.

Sure, they play with people from all over the planet and they do frequently also play by themselves, but the point is that they hardly play these things in solitary confinement on a regular basis. I’m not sure if three or four guys sitting in a room taking turns with the bong and the video controllers constitutes social interaction, but whatever.

Another thing to consider is that two centuries ago, when most people in this thread would probably argue that men were men and not “beta-bitches” as you have so eloquently stated, people didn’t interact with each other all that often either. They might have interacted with their own families, but people didn’t live in the same sort of clustered society that we live in today. Going to the store was a far less frequent occurrence, if they went at all. Many people lived in places where they rarely interacted with anyone outside their own families except on Sundays at church.

I think that video games definitely are a factor in people being different today than they were back then, but I don’t think those differences extend to the de-masculinization of men. I think the effect that video games is having is probably more in terms of our attention spans and what we need in order to be stimulated, sort of like the porn addiction thing. Are we playing more video games because we need more stimulus, or do we need more stimulus because we play video games more often? I don’t know, but I don’t think you know either.

The more pertinent question here as someone else mentioned, which has been covered ad nauseum and is ENTIRELY subjective, is what exactly makes a man a masculine man. Personally, I don’t really think it has anything to do with anything other than our abilities to take care of our families. I think the declining rate of violence in the United States is a clear sign of an increase in masculinity, but others might argue differently if they think that masculinity entails violence. I don’t think so at all, because violence is almost always in the form of a crime, and it is hard to take care of your family if you are in jail as a violent criminal.

However, that would also mean that being a masculine man would mean that you would have to have a family to take care of in the first place. Many men don’t have children or a wife and their parents aren’t old or infirm enough to need someone else taking care of them. I have no children and neither nor anyone else in my family needs me to care for them. So in that sense, masculinity may simply mean the ability to take care of oneself instead, which isn’t a masculine trait at all. Women are just as capable of doing that as I or any other man is, and I don’t think it’s fair to women to say that they are masculine simply because they can take care of their own shit.

So the reality is that the most all-encompassing definition of what it means to be masculine is more along the lines of what it means to be a good, responsible person in general, regardless of gender or sex. All that other bullshit like “masculine men shoot guns” or “masculine men are physically strong” or “masculine men don’t show emotions” or whatever is a bunch of Hollywood superficiality that has no bearing in reality whatsoever. In my mind, “masculine” men are simply good people, period. So even the most feminine of men can still be more masculine than someone who most people would point to as being masculine. It has nothing to do with sexuality or hobbies or anything else material like that. It’s a very ethereal quality that isn’t absolute by any means.[/quote]

Damn good post. As usual.
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This is about the time that Pushharder comes in, calls me Delbert, and then says I’m wrong. I know a lot of people here think he’s masculine, and he appears to take care of his own shit pretty well so I won’t argue that he isn’t in that respect. But I think most of the people who think he’s the definition of masculinity think so for other reasons. Personally, I think most of what he believes when he and I get into these arguments is based in fear; he’s driven by his fears, not his strengths, and then identifies his ability to recognize those fears as a strength.

Take the whole gun thing. Who the fuck needs an automatic weapon? Do we really need to protect ourselves from the enemy that, for 99.999999999%of us will never come? Of course not. I don’t fear the govt or some random intruder coming into my home. I don’t think along fear-based lines like that.

Of course, knowing my luck this is probably the one long post that he’ll actually agree with 100%, so I apologize in advance, Push, if it is.[/quote]

What is this jibber jabber?

Yes, Ph is the shit, yes, we need the GUNZ for the 100% chance that our respective gubbamints will decide to live la vida loco, also, my penis is bigger than yours.

[/quote]

I’m sorry, who are you?[/quote]

The shizzle, compared to your drizzle.

With all due respect to your intelligence, you are an ignorant motherfucker that is blind to the world before his very eyes.

I shudder at the thought of how much energy is wasted maintaining that illusion.

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:slight_smile:

edit: the pic from the post I quoted on the last page

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[quote]xjusticex2013x wrote:
I play video games too, but mainly Arkham City ATM; the fact that I get to play as Batman nullifies any adverse affects, perceived or otherwise.[/quote]

Is that the game where you can play as the Joker or the Batman? I love Batman so much I actually thought about getting an XBox or Playstation or whatever the hell it’s on just so I could play that one game when I heard that it was so good. If that is the game I’m thinking of, I think all of society’s problems can be linked to what I would assume is a massive amount of people choosing to be the Joker instead of Batman.

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[quote]DBCooper wrote:
Shit Orion, even if you and every motherfucker on your block were loaded to the teeth with weapons you’d be powerless against a small, well-trained and well-armed group of soldiers. Throw in the odd tank or helicopter and you’re even more fucked. Add in a Predator drone or three, satellite imagery or just one obsolete fighter jet with a 1,000 lb bomb on it and you’re toast.

If you fear the gov’t that much, you may as well give yourself some sort of fighting chance and attack preemptively while you still have the element of surprise on your side. You’d better start gathering your army now and try to take over the nearest federal armory, John Brown-style, because if you don’t you are completely fucked otherwise. What the FUCK are all the AK-47s in the world going to do against one well-aimed tactical nuke?

And I’m the ignorant motherfucker? Standing armies? That’s what you’re afraid of? You’re a fucking loony 'toon pal! [/quote]

Devil’s advocate/grasping at straws/digression: what would you say the odds are that the majority of the American military would go along with violently quelling a domestic rebellion? It would seem to me if it really was a dire cause, then there may be falling out among the troops who don’t want to kill American citizens.

Meh, I don’t know; just a thought really.

Also, what the heck are you doing in Malaysia? haha