[quote]Gettnitdone wrote:
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
Anyway…
[quote]Gettnitdone wrote:
the general `domestication’ of men are other contributing factor.
[/quote]
Again, please go into more detail as to what you mean here.[/quote]
You know what I mean - there’s been a bunch of threads in GAL about authors talking about the subject.[/quote]
I’d rather not assume or put words in your mouth, but would love to go into the topic further. If you don’t want to be more detailed fine.
[quote]debraD wrote:
You folks who long for yesteryear have a distorted and romanticized view of history [/quote]
Tis true. Many a man has made a good living behind a desk, speculating or otherwise not doing any sort of physical labor for thousands of years.
[quote]Gettnitdone wrote:
you know you just said that social interaction and masculinity aren’t related right?
[/quote]
No, that isn’t what I’m saying.
I’m saying “blame the video game” is a lame catch all.
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
[quote]Gettnitdone wrote:
I’m not asking you to “bother” with anything - you’re just shooting the messenger here i.e. I’m only relaying what I’ve heard and read.
But your above posts in this thread do smell of beta-bitch insecurity. C’mon dude it’s okay if you like playing video games, it doesn’t mean you’re becoming more feminine than anyone else and no one is trying to judge you like that either.
We are making generalisations here. Video games (in current form), personal computers and (most importantly) the internet are innovations that weren’t available to our fathers and grand-fathers and while they may have immeasurable usefulness in how we live are lives today, they do represent components partially explaining the trend toward declining socialisation behaviours in men (and people in general)[/quote]
You are drawing connections between social interaction and masculinity that aren’t there.[/quote]
There sure is a connection.
Being an effective communicator is a highly masculine trait.
Being able to read people’s body language, pickup on emotions in people’s voices and also delivering an effective message to others are skills no longer being developed like they use to be.
Boys today now prefer communicating with devices than humans and its lead to an overall decline in social skills and this feminization
[quote]Gettnitdone wrote:
[quote]csulli wrote:
[quote]Gettnitdone wrote:
But your above posts in this thread do smell of beta-bitch insecurity.[/quote]
LOL. What does that even mean?[/quote]
You obviously play video games, which is why you went straight into defensive mode about my video games post, even taking it out of the context I intended.
The actual content of video games are not a problem but the behaviour of choosing to allocate time to that activity may be taking away from social interaction, which is a partial reason for the described deprecation of masculinity in men.[/quote]
I don’t play video games at all and haven’t owned any game system since the original Nintendo came out, which I grew bored of after about two years, so I’m hardly an expert on this matter. That being said, I have friends who play those fucking first-person shooter games until the early hours of the morning every goddamned weekend. I’m pretty sure that they play with each other all the time, as in they are all playing together in the same room.
Sure, they play with people from all over the planet and they do frequently also play by themselves, but the point is that they hardly play these things in solitary confinement on a regular basis. I’m not sure if three or four guys sitting in a room taking turns with the bong and the video controllers constitutes social interaction, but whatever.
Another thing to consider is that two centuries ago, when most people in this thread would probably argue that men were men and not “beta-bitches” as you have so eloquently stated, people didn’t interact with each other all that often either. They might have interacted with their own families, but people didn’t live in the same sort of clustered society that we live in today. Going to the store was a far less frequent occurrence, if they went at all. Many people lived in places where they rarely interacted with anyone outside their own families except on Sundays at church.
I think that video games definitely are a factor in people being different today than they were back then, but I don’t think those differences extend to the de-masculinization of men. I think the effect that video games is having is probably more in terms of our attention spans and what we need in order to be stimulated, sort of like the porn addiction thing. Are we playing more video games because we need more stimulus, or do we need more stimulus because we play video games more often? I don’t know, but I don’t think you know either.
The more pertinent question here as someone else mentioned, which has been covered ad nauseum and is ENTIRELY subjective, is what exactly makes a man a masculine man. Personally, I don’t really think it has anything to do with anything other than our abilities to take care of our families. I think the declining rate of violence in the United States is a clear sign of an increase in masculinity, but others might argue differently if they think that masculinity entails violence. I don’t think so at all, because violence is almost always in the form of a crime, and it is hard to take care of your family if you are in jail as a violent criminal.
However, that would also mean that being a masculine man would mean that you would have to have a family to take care of in the first place. Many men don’t have children or a wife and their parents aren’t old or infirm enough to need someone else taking care of them. I have no children and neither my parents nor anyone else in my family needs me to care for them. So in that sense, masculinity may simply mean the ability to take care of oneself instead, which isn’t a masculine trait at all. Women are just as capable of doing that as I or any other man is, and I don’t think it’s fair to women to say that they are masculine simply because they can take care of their own shit.
So the reality is that the most all-encompassing definition of what it means to be masculine is more along the lines of what it means to be a good, responsible person in general, regardless of gender or sex. All that other bullshit like “masculine men shoot guns” or “masculine men are physically strong” or “masculine men don’t show emotions” or whatever is a bunch of Hollywood superficiality that has no bearing in reality whatsoever. In my mind, “masculine” men are simply good people, period. So even the most feminine of men can still be more masculine than someone who most people would point to as being masculine. It has nothing to do with sexuality or hobbies or anything else material like that. It’s a very ethereal quality that isn’t absolute by any means.
It’s this Rap… Hop stuff that’s poisoning these kids minds nowadays.
Oh, and blunt juice from the hoodz, too!
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
[quote]debraD wrote:
You folks who long for yesteryear have a distorted and romanticized view of history [/quote]
Tis true. Many a man has made a good living behind a desk, speculating or otherwise not doing any sort of physical labor for thousands of years. [/quote]
Agreed. And when you get right down to it, what is the point of a job anyways? To earn enough to provide for yourself and whatever family you may have. To achieve independence. As long as the work is honest, what does it matter what it is if it’s putting food on the table for yourselves and your family?
There is something inherently more masculine about being an interior designer than there is being a bank robber if the interior designer is supporting himself. The same thing applies to a construction worker struggling to provide for his family rather than, say, work for his father’s coffee shop making lattes all day if that job represented a better paycheck.
[quote]DBCooper wrote:
[quote]Gettnitdone wrote:
[quote]csulli wrote:
[quote]Gettnitdone wrote:
But your above posts in this thread do smell of beta-bitch insecurity.[/quote]
LOL. What does that even mean?[/quote]
You obviously play video games, which is why you went straight into defensive mode about my video games post, even taking it out of the context I intended.
The actual content of video games are not a problem but the behaviour of choosing to allocate time to that activity may be taking away from social interaction, which is a partial reason for the described deprecation of masculinity in men.[/quote]
I don’t play video games at all and haven’t owned any game system since the original Nintendo came out, which I grew bored of after about two years, so I’m hardly an expert on this matter. That being said, I have friends who play those fucking first-person shooter games until the early hours of the morning every goddamned weekend. I’m pretty sure that they play with each other all the time, as in they are all playing together in the same room.
Sure, they play with people from all over the planet and they do frequently also play by themselves, but the point is that they hardly play these things in solitary confinement on a regular basis. I’m not sure if three or four guys sitting in a room taking turns with the bong and the video controllers constitutes social interaction, but whatever.
Another thing to consider is that two centuries ago, when most people in this thread would probably argue that men were men and not “beta-bitches” as you have so eloquently stated, people didn’t interact with each other all that often either. They might have interacted with their own families, but people didn’t live in the same sort of clustered society that we live in today. Going to the store was a far less frequent occurrence, if they went at all. Many people lived in places where they rarely interacted with anyone outside their own families except on Sundays at church.
I think that video games definitely are a factor in people being different today than they were back then, but I don’t think those differences extend to the de-masculinization of men. I think the effect that video games is having is probably more in terms of our attention spans and what we need in order to be stimulated, sort of like the porn addiction thing. Are we playing more video games because we need more stimulus, or do we need more stimulus because we play video games more often? I don’t know, but I don’t think you know either.
The more pertinent question here as someone else mentioned, which has been covered ad nauseum and is ENTIRELY subjective, is what exactly makes a man a masculine man. Personally, I don’t really think it has anything to do with anything other than our abilities to take care of our families. I think the declining rate of violence in the United States is a clear sign of an increase in masculinity, but others might argue differently if they think that masculinity entails violence. I don’t think so at all, because violence is almost always in the form of a crime, and it is hard to take care of your family if you are in jail as a violent criminal.
However, that would also mean that being a masculine man would mean that you would have to have a family to take care of in the first place. Many men don’t have children or a wife and their parents aren’t old or infirm enough to need someone else taking care of them. I have no children and neither nor anyone else in my family needs me to care for them. So in that sense, masculinity may simply mean the ability to take care of oneself instead, which isn’t a masculine trait at all. Women are just as capable of doing that as I or any other man is, and I don’t think it’s fair to women to say that they are masculine simply because they can take care of their own shit.
So the reality is that the most all-encompassing definition of what it means to be masculine is more along the lines of what it means to be a good, responsible person in general, regardless of gender or sex. All that other bullshit like “masculine men shoot guns” or “masculine men are physically strong” or “masculine men don’t show emotions” or whatever is a bunch of Hollywood superficiality that has no bearing in reality whatsoever. In my mind, “masculine” men are simply good people, period. So even the most feminine of men can still be more masculine than someone who most people would point to as being masculine. It has nothing to do with sexuality or hobbies or anything else material like that. It’s a very ethereal quality that isn’t absolute by any means.[/quote]
Damn good post. As usual.
Meh, I don’t really see an issue with today’s “Male”. As we progress we are becoming more civilized and educated. All this metro-sexual shit you see is nothing more than another way to court today’s woman.
Adapt or be forgotten.
[quote]DBCooper wrote:
[quote]Gettnitdone wrote:
[quote]csulli wrote:
[quote]Gettnitdone wrote:
So the reality is that the most all-encompassing definition of what it means to be masculine is more along the lines of what it means to be a good, responsible person in general, regardless of gender or sex. All that other bullshit like “masculine men shoot guns” or “masculine men are physically strong” or “masculine men don’t show emotions” or whatever is a bunch of Hollywood superficiality that has no bearing in reality whatsoever. In my mind, “masculine” men are simply good people, period. So even the most feminine of men can still be more masculine than someone who most people would point to as being masculine. It has nothing to do with sexuality or hobbies or anything else material like that. It’s a very ethereal quality that isn’t absolute by any means.[/quote]
I really like this part. 100% agreed
[quote]debraD wrote:
[quote]lemony2j wrote:
My theory of it is that, among other things, we have to do less to survive nowadays
These days a fully grown man can earn a better living as say an interior designer than he could as a mechanic or a farmer. This obviously wouldn’t have been the case a thousand or even a hundred years ago. A hundred years ago you would have needed a pliable trade to earn a living, most of which would have required you to work with your hands. These days you can do far more than just survive sat behind a desk.
We live in such a disposable society where everyone feels they are entitled to something.
I was born in the wrong century[/quote]
Not sure why you would think that–just because your muscle was more functional doesn’t mean it was more valuable. Men have always been far more disposable, especially the working class, than they are today [orion–there you go cannon fodder 
].
You folks who long for yesteryear have a distorted and romanticized view of history that was only kind to the most privileged.
[/quote]
I agree.
Everyone thinks he would be the exception when he most likely would be the rule.
Meaning, a malnourished serf with a very low life expectancy.
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
[quote]debraD wrote:
You folks who long for yesteryear have a distorted and romanticized view of history [/quote]
Tis true. Many a man has made a good living behind a desk, speculating or otherwise not doing any sort of physical labor for thousands of years. [/quote]
Every generation wants to be the last. If there had been an internet when our grandfathers were around, I’m sure they’d be posting about The Beatles feminizing today’s young men with their floppy hair and British-ness (that’s almost France).
Also, what is our standard for manliness across generations? Any standard is arbitrary at best and sexist at worst. I’m sure that men of 100+ years ago would ridicule us for allowing women to vote and treating them as anything other than second class citizens. This still happens as a few older guys at work think less of a younger co-worker because his wife kept her last name and he goes out of his way to treat her as an equal. He was kind of a wuss though, really into running too.
[quote]imhungry wrote:
[quote]DBCooper wrote:
[quote]Gettnitdone wrote:
[quote]csulli wrote:
[quote]Gettnitdone wrote:
But your above posts in this thread do smell of beta-bitch insecurity.[/quote]
LOL. What does that even mean?[/quote]
You obviously play video games, which is why you went straight into defensive mode about my video games post, even taking it out of the context I intended.
The actual content of video games are not a problem but the behaviour of choosing to allocate time to that activity may be taking away from social interaction, which is a partial reason for the described deprecation of masculinity in men.[/quote]
I don’t play video games at all and haven’t owned any game system since the original Nintendo came out, which I grew bored of after about two years, so I’m hardly an expert on this matter. That being said, I have friends who play those fucking first-person shooter games until the early hours of the morning every goddamned weekend. I’m pretty sure that they play with each other all the time, as in they are all playing together in the same room.
Sure, they play with people from all over the planet and they do frequently also play by themselves, but the point is that they hardly play these things in solitary confinement on a regular basis. I’m not sure if three or four guys sitting in a room taking turns with the bong and the video controllers constitutes social interaction, but whatever.
Another thing to consider is that two centuries ago, when most people in this thread would probably argue that men were men and not “beta-bitches” as you have so eloquently stated, people didn’t interact with each other all that often either. They might have interacted with their own families, but people didn’t live in the same sort of clustered society that we live in today. Going to the store was a far less frequent occurrence, if they went at all. Many people lived in places where they rarely interacted with anyone outside their own families except on Sundays at church.
I think that video games definitely are a factor in people being different today than they were back then, but I don’t think those differences extend to the de-masculinization of men. I think the effect that video games is having is probably more in terms of our attention spans and what we need in order to be stimulated, sort of like the porn addiction thing. Are we playing more video games because we need more stimulus, or do we need more stimulus because we play video games more often? I don’t know, but I don’t think you know either.
The more pertinent question here as someone else mentioned, which has been covered ad nauseum and is ENTIRELY subjective, is what exactly makes a man a masculine man. Personally, I don’t really think it has anything to do with anything other than our abilities to take care of our families. I think the declining rate of violence in the United States is a clear sign of an increase in masculinity, but others might argue differently if they think that masculinity entails violence. I don’t think so at all, because violence is almost always in the form of a crime, and it is hard to take care of your family if you are in jail as a violent criminal.
However, that would also mean that being a masculine man would mean that you would have to have a family to take care of in the first place. Many men don’t have children or a wife and their parents aren’t old or infirm enough to need someone else taking care of them. I have no children and neither nor anyone else in my family needs me to care for them. So in that sense, masculinity may simply mean the ability to take care of oneself instead, which isn’t a masculine trait at all. Women are just as capable of doing that as I or any other man is, and I don’t think it’s fair to women to say that they are masculine simply because they can take care of their own shit.
So the reality is that the most all-encompassing definition of what it means to be masculine is more along the lines of what it means to be a good, responsible person in general, regardless of gender or sex. All that other bullshit like “masculine men shoot guns” or “masculine men are physically strong” or “masculine men don’t show emotions” or whatever is a bunch of Hollywood superficiality that has no bearing in reality whatsoever. In my mind, “masculine” men are simply good people, period. So even the most feminine of men can still be more masculine than someone who most people would point to as being masculine. It has nothing to do with sexuality or hobbies or anything else material like that. It’s a very ethereal quality that isn’t absolute by any means.[/quote]
Damn good post. As usual.
[/quote]
This is about the time that Pushharder comes in, calls me Delbert, and then says I’m wrong. I know a lot of people here think he’s masculine, and he appears to take care of his own shit pretty well so I won’t argue that he isn’t in that respect. But I think most of the people who think he’s the definition of masculinity think so for other reasons. Personally, I think most of what he believes when he and I get into these arguments is based in fear; he’s driven by his fears, not his strengths, and then identifies his ability to recognize those fears as a strength.
Take the whole gun thing. Who the fuck needs an automatic weapon? Do we really need to protect ourselves from the enemy that, for 99.999999999%of us will never come? Of course not. I don’t fear the govt or some random intruder coming into my home. I don’t think along fear-based lines like that.
Of course, knowing my luck this is probably the one long post that he’ll actually agree with 100%, so I apologize in advance, Push, if it is.
[quote]DBCooper wrote:
[quote]Gettnitdone wrote:
[quote]csulli wrote:
[quote]Gettnitdone wrote:
But your above posts in this thread do smell of beta-bitch insecurity.[/quote]
LOL. What does that even mean?[/quote]
You obviously play video games, which is why you went straight into defensive mode about my video games post, even taking it out of the context I intended.
The actual content of video games are not a problem but the behaviour of choosing to allocate time to that activity may be taking away from social interaction, which is a partial reason for the described deprecation of masculinity in men.[/quote]
I don’t play video games at all and haven’t owned any game system since the original Nintendo came out, which I grew bored of after about two years, so I’m hardly an expert on this matter. That being said, I have friends who play those fucking first-person shooter games until the early hours of the morning every goddamned weekend. I’m pretty sure that they play with each other all the time, as in they are all playing together in the same room.
Sure, they play with people from all over the planet and they do frequently also play by themselves, but the point is that they hardly play these things in solitary confinement on a regular basis. I’m not sure if three or four guys sitting in a room taking turns with the bong and the video controllers constitutes social interaction, but whatever.
Another thing to consider is that two centuries ago, when most people in this thread would probably argue that men were men and not “beta-bitches” as you have so eloquently stated, people didn’t interact with each other all that often either. They might have interacted with their own families, but people didn’t live in the same sort of clustered society that we live in today. Going to the store was a far less frequent occurrence, if they went at all. Many people lived in places where they rarely interacted with anyone outside their own families except on Sundays at church.
I think that video games definitely are a factor in people being different today than they were back then, but I don’t think those differences extend to the de-masculinization of men. I think the effect that video games is having is probably more in terms of our attention spans and what we need in order to be stimulated, sort of like the porn addiction thing. Are we playing more video games because we need more stimulus, or do we need more stimulus because we play video games more often? I don’t know, but I don’t think you know either.
The more pertinent question here as someone else mentioned, which has been covered ad nauseum and is ENTIRELY subjective, is what exactly makes a man a masculine man. Personally, I don’t really think it has anything to do with anything other than our abilities to take care of our families. I think the declining rate of violence in the United States is a clear sign of an increase in masculinity, but others might argue differently if they think that masculinity entails violence. I don’t think so at all, because violence is almost always in the form of a crime, and it is hard to take care of your family if you are in jail as a violent criminal.
However, that would also mean that being a masculine man would mean that you would have to have a family to take care of in the first place. Many men don’t have children or a wife and their parents aren’t old or infirm enough to need someone else taking care of them. I have no children and neither my parents nor anyone else in my family needs me to care for them. So in that sense, masculinity may simply mean the ability to take care of oneself instead, which isn’t a masculine trait at all. Women are just as capable of doing that as I or any other man is, and I don’t think it’s fair to women to say that they are masculine simply because they can take care of their own shit.
So the reality is that the most all-encompassing definition of what it means to be masculine is more along the lines of what it means to be a good, responsible person in general, regardless of gender or sex. All that other bullshit like “masculine men shoot guns” or “masculine men are physically strong” or “masculine men don’t show emotions” or whatever is a bunch of Hollywood superficiality that has no bearing in reality whatsoever. In my mind, “masculine” men are simply good people, period. So even the most feminine of men can still be more masculine than someone who most people would point to as being masculine. It has nothing to do with sexuality or hobbies or anything else material like that. It’s a very ethereal quality that isn’t absolute by any means.[/quote]
A lot of truth in this post.
Don’t worry china is growing all the males nao, more bitches for us.
[quote]DBCooper wrote:
[quote]imhungry wrote:
[quote]DBCooper wrote:
[quote]Gettnitdone wrote:
[quote]csulli wrote:
[quote]Gettnitdone wrote:
But your above posts in this thread do smell of beta-bitch insecurity.[/quote]
LOL. What does that even mean?[/quote]
You obviously play video games, which is why you went straight into defensive mode about my video games post, even taking it out of the context I intended.
The actual content of video games are not a problem but the behaviour of choosing to allocate time to that activity may be taking away from social interaction, which is a partial reason for the described deprecation of masculinity in men.[/quote]
I don’t play video games at all and haven’t owned any game system since the original Nintendo came out, which I grew bored of after about two years, so I’m hardly an expert on this matter. That being said, I have friends who play those fucking first-person shooter games until the early hours of the morning every goddamned weekend. I’m pretty sure that they play with each other all the time, as in they are all playing together in the same room.
Sure, they play with people from all over the planet and they do frequently also play by themselves, but the point is that they hardly play these things in solitary confinement on a regular basis. I’m not sure if three or four guys sitting in a room taking turns with the bong and the video controllers constitutes social interaction, but whatever.
Another thing to consider is that two centuries ago, when most people in this thread would probably argue that men were men and not “beta-bitches” as you have so eloquently stated, people didn’t interact with each other all that often either. They might have interacted with their own families, but people didn’t live in the same sort of clustered society that we live in today. Going to the store was a far less frequent occurrence, if they went at all. Many people lived in places where they rarely interacted with anyone outside their own families except on Sundays at church.
I think that video games definitely are a factor in people being different today than they were back then, but I don’t think those differences extend to the de-masculinization of men. I think the effect that video games is having is probably more in terms of our attention spans and what we need in order to be stimulated, sort of like the porn addiction thing. Are we playing more video games because we need more stimulus, or do we need more stimulus because we play video games more often? I don’t know, but I don’t think you know either.
The more pertinent question here as someone else mentioned, which has been covered ad nauseum and is ENTIRELY subjective, is what exactly makes a man a masculine man. Personally, I don’t really think it has anything to do with anything other than our abilities to take care of our families. I think the declining rate of violence in the United States is a clear sign of an increase in masculinity, but others might argue differently if they think that masculinity entails violence. I don’t think so at all, because violence is almost always in the form of a crime, and it is hard to take care of your family if you are in jail as a violent criminal.
However, that would also mean that being a masculine man would mean that you would have to have a family to take care of in the first place. Many men don’t have children or a wife and their parents aren’t old or infirm enough to need someone else taking care of them. I have no children and neither nor anyone else in my family needs me to care for them. So in that sense, masculinity may simply mean the ability to take care of oneself instead, which isn’t a masculine trait at all. Women are just as capable of doing that as I or any other man is, and I don’t think it’s fair to women to say that they are masculine simply because they can take care of their own shit.
So the reality is that the most all-encompassing definition of what it means to be masculine is more along the lines of what it means to be a good, responsible person in general, regardless of gender or sex. All that other bullshit like “masculine men shoot guns” or “masculine men are physically strong” or “masculine men don’t show emotions” or whatever is a bunch of Hollywood superficiality that has no bearing in reality whatsoever. In my mind, “masculine” men are simply good people, period. So even the most feminine of men can still be more masculine than someone who most people would point to as being masculine. It has nothing to do with sexuality or hobbies or anything else material like that. It’s a very ethereal quality that isn’t absolute by any means.[/quote]
Damn good post. As usual.
[/quote]
This is about the time that Pushharder comes in, calls me Delbert, and then says I’m wrong. I know a lot of people here think he’s masculine, and he appears to take care of his own shit pretty well so I won’t argue that he isn’t in that respect. But I think most of the people who think he’s the definition of masculinity think so for other reasons. Personally, I think most of what he believes when he and I get into these arguments is based in fear; he’s driven by his fears, not his strengths, and then identifies his ability to recognize those fears as a strength.
Take the whole gun thing. Who the fuck needs an automatic weapon? Do we really need to protect ourselves from the enemy that, for 99.999999999%of us will never come? Of course not. I don’t fear the govt or some random intruder coming into my home. I don’t think along fear-based lines like that.
Of course, knowing my luck this is probably the one long post that he’ll actually agree with 100%, so I apologize in advance, Push, if it is.[/quote]
What is this jibber jabber?
Yes, Ph is the shit, yes, we need the GUNZ for the 100% chance that our respective gubbamints will decide to live la vida loco, also, my penis is bigger than yours.
[quote]orion wrote:
[quote]DBCooper wrote:
[quote]imhungry wrote:
[quote]DBCooper wrote:
[quote]Gettnitdone wrote:
[quote]csulli wrote:
[quote]Gettnitdone wrote:
But your above posts in this thread do smell of beta-bitch insecurity.[/quote]
LOL. What does that even mean?[/quote]
You obviously play video games, which is why you went straight into defensive mode about my video games post, even taking it out of the context I intended.
The actual content of video games are not a problem but the behaviour of choosing to allocate time to that activity may be taking away from social interaction, which is a partial reason for the described deprecation of masculinity in men.[/quote]
I don’t play video games at all and haven’t owned any game system since the original Nintendo came out, which I grew bored of after about two years, so I’m hardly an expert on this matter. That being said, I have friends who play those fucking first-person shooter games until the early hours of the morning every goddamned weekend. I’m pretty sure that they play with each other all the time, as in they are all playing together in the same room.
Sure, they play with people from all over the planet and they do frequently also play by themselves, but the point is that they hardly play these things in solitary confinement on a regular basis. I’m not sure if three or four guys sitting in a room taking turns with the bong and the video controllers constitutes social interaction, but whatever.
Another thing to consider is that two centuries ago, when most people in this thread would probably argue that men were men and not “beta-bitches” as you have so eloquently stated, people didn’t interact with each other all that often either. They might have interacted with their own families, but people didn’t live in the same sort of clustered society that we live in today. Going to the store was a far less frequent occurrence, if they went at all. Many people lived in places where they rarely interacted with anyone outside their own families except on Sundays at church.
I think that video games definitely are a factor in people being different today than they were back then, but I don’t think those differences extend to the de-masculinization of men. I think the effect that video games is having is probably more in terms of our attention spans and what we need in order to be stimulated, sort of like the porn addiction thing. Are we playing more video games because we need more stimulus, or do we need more stimulus because we play video games more often? I don’t know, but I don’t think you know either.
The more pertinent question here as someone else mentioned, which has been covered ad nauseum and is ENTIRELY subjective, is what exactly makes a man a masculine man. Personally, I don’t really think it has anything to do with anything other than our abilities to take care of our families. I think the declining rate of violence in the United States is a clear sign of an increase in masculinity, but others might argue differently if they think that masculinity entails violence. I don’t think so at all, because violence is almost always in the form of a crime, and it is hard to take care of your family if you are in jail as a violent criminal.
However, that would also mean that being a masculine man would mean that you would have to have a family to take care of in the first place. Many men don’t have children or a wife and their parents aren’t old or infirm enough to need someone else taking care of them. I have no children and neither nor anyone else in my family needs me to care for them. So in that sense, masculinity may simply mean the ability to take care of oneself instead, which isn’t a masculine trait at all. Women are just as capable of doing that as I or any other man is, and I don’t think it’s fair to women to say that they are masculine simply because they can take care of their own shit.
So the reality is that the most all-encompassing definition of what it means to be masculine is more along the lines of what it means to be a good, responsible person in general, regardless of gender or sex. All that other bullshit like “masculine men shoot guns” or “masculine men are physically strong” or “masculine men don’t show emotions” or whatever is a bunch of Hollywood superficiality that has no bearing in reality whatsoever. In my mind, “masculine” men are simply good people, period. So even the most feminine of men can still be more masculine than someone who most people would point to as being masculine. It has nothing to do with sexuality or hobbies or anything else material like that. It’s a very ethereal quality that isn’t absolute by any means.[/quote]
Damn good post. As usual.
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This is about the time that Pushharder comes in, calls me Delbert, and then says I’m wrong. I know a lot of people here think he’s masculine, and he appears to take care of his own shit pretty well so I won’t argue that he isn’t in that respect. But I think most of the people who think he’s the definition of masculinity think so for other reasons. Personally, I think most of what he believes when he and I get into these arguments is based in fear; he’s driven by his fears, not his strengths, and then identifies his ability to recognize those fears as a strength.
Take the whole gun thing. Who the fuck needs an automatic weapon? Do we really need to protect ourselves from the enemy that, for 99.999999999%of us will never come? Of course not. I don’t fear the govt or some random intruder coming into my home. I don’t think along fear-based lines like that.
Of course, knowing my luck this is probably the one long post that he’ll actually agree with 100%, so I apologize in advance, Push, if it is.[/quote]
What is this jibber jabber?
Yes, Ph is the shit, yes, we need the GUNZ for the 100% chance that our respective gubbamints will decide to live la vida loco, also, my penis is bigger than yours.
[/quote]
I’m sorry, who are you?
[quote]DBCooper wrote:
[quote]Gettnitdone wrote:
[quote]csulli wrote:
[quote]Gettnitdone wrote:
But your above posts in this thread do smell of beta-bitch insecurity.[/quote]
LOL. What does that even mean?[/quote]
You obviously play video games, which is why you went straight into defensive mode about my video games post, even taking it out of the context I intended.
The actual content of video games are not a problem but the behaviour of choosing to allocate time to that activity may be taking away from social interaction, which is a partial reason for the described deprecation of masculinity in men.[/quote]
I don’t play video games at all and haven’t owned any game system since the original Nintendo came out, which I grew bored of after about two years, so I’m hardly an expert on this matter. That being said, I have friends who play those fucking first-person shooter games until the early hours of the morning every goddamned weekend. I’m pretty sure that they play with each other all the time, as in they are all playing together in the same room.
Sure, they play with people from all over the planet and they do frequently also play by themselves, but the point is that they hardly play these things in solitary confinement on a regular basis. I’m not sure if three or four guys sitting in a room taking turns with the bong and the video controllers constitutes social interaction, but whatever.
Another thing to consider is that two centuries ago, when most people in this thread would probably argue that men were men and not “beta-bitches” as you have so eloquently stated, people didn’t interact with each other all that often either. They might have interacted with their own families, but people didn’t live in the same sort of clustered society that we live in today. Going to the store was a far less frequent occurrence, if they went at all. Many people lived in places where they rarely interacted with anyone outside their own families except on Sundays at church.
I think that video games definitely are a factor in people being different today than they were back then, but I don’t think those differences extend to the de-masculinization of men. I think the effect that video games is having is probably more in terms of our attention spans and what we need in order to be stimulated, sort of like the porn addiction thing. Are we playing more video games because we need more stimulus, or do we need more stimulus because we play video games more often? I don’t know, but I don’t think you know either.
The more pertinent question here as someone else mentioned, which has been covered ad nauseum and is ENTIRELY subjective, is what exactly makes a man a masculine man. Personally, I don’t really think it has anything to do with anything other than our abilities to take care of our families. I think the declining rate of violence in the United States is a clear sign of an increase in masculinity, but others might argue differently if they think that masculinity entails violence. I don’t think so at all, because violence is almost always in the form of a crime, and it is hard to take care of your family if you are in jail as a violent criminal.
However, that would also mean that being a masculine man would mean that you would have to have a family to take care of in the first place. Many men don’t have children or a wife and their parents aren’t old or infirm enough to need someone else taking care of them. I have no children and neither my parents nor anyone else in my family needs me to care for them. So in that sense, masculinity may simply mean the ability to take care of oneself instead, which isn’t a masculine trait at all. Women are just as capable of doing that as I or any other man is, and I don’t think it’s fair to women to say that they are masculine simply because they can take care of their own shit.
So the reality is that the most all-encompassing definition of what it means to be masculine is more along the lines of what it means to be a good, responsible person in general, regardless of gender or sex. All that other bullshit like “masculine men shoot guns” or “masculine men are physically strong” or “masculine men don’t show emotions” or whatever is a bunch of Hollywood superficiality that has no bearing in reality whatsoever. In my mind, “masculine” men are simply good people, period. So even the most feminine of men can still be more masculine than someone who most people would point to as being masculine. It has nothing to do with sexuality or hobbies or anything else material like that. It’s a very ethereal quality that isn’t absolute by any means.[/quote]
Well put.
[quote]DBCooper wrote:
[quote]orion wrote:
[quote]DBCooper wrote:
[quote]imhungry wrote:
[quote]DBCooper wrote:
[quote]Gettnitdone wrote:
[quote]csulli wrote:
[quote]Gettnitdone wrote:
But your above posts in this thread do smell of beta-bitch insecurity.[/quote]
LOL. What does that even mean?[/quote]
You obviously play video games, which is why you went straight into defensive mode about my video games post, even taking it out of the context I intended.
The actual content of video games are not a problem but the behaviour of choosing to allocate time to that activity may be taking away from social interaction, which is a partial reason for the described deprecation of masculinity in men.[/quote]
I don’t play video games at all and haven’t owned any game system since the original Nintendo came out, which I grew bored of after about two years, so I’m hardly an expert on this matter. That being said, I have friends who play those fucking first-person shooter games until the early hours of the morning every goddamned weekend. I’m pretty sure that they play with each other all the time, as in they are all playing together in the same room.
Sure, they play with people from all over the planet and they do frequently also play by themselves, but the point is that they hardly play these things in solitary confinement on a regular basis. I’m not sure if three or four guys sitting in a room taking turns with the bong and the video controllers constitutes social interaction, but whatever.
Another thing to consider is that two centuries ago, when most people in this thread would probably argue that men were men and not “beta-bitches” as you have so eloquently stated, people didn’t interact with each other all that often either. They might have interacted with their own families, but people didn’t live in the same sort of clustered society that we live in today. Going to the store was a far less frequent occurrence, if they went at all. Many people lived in places where they rarely interacted with anyone outside their own families except on Sundays at church.
I think that video games definitely are a factor in people being different today than they were back then, but I don’t think those differences extend to the de-masculinization of men. I think the effect that video games is having is probably more in terms of our attention spans and what we need in order to be stimulated, sort of like the porn addiction thing. Are we playing more video games because we need more stimulus, or do we need more stimulus because we play video games more often? I don’t know, but I don’t think you know either.
The more pertinent question here as someone else mentioned, which has been covered ad nauseum and is ENTIRELY subjective, is what exactly makes a man a masculine man. Personally, I don’t really think it has anything to do with anything other than our abilities to take care of our families. I think the declining rate of violence in the United States is a clear sign of an increase in masculinity, but others might argue differently if they think that masculinity entails violence. I don’t think so at all, because violence is almost always in the form of a crime, and it is hard to take care of your family if you are in jail as a violent criminal.
However, that would also mean that being a masculine man would mean that you would have to have a family to take care of in the first place. Many men don’t have children or a wife and their parents aren’t old or infirm enough to need someone else taking care of them. I have no children and neither nor anyone else in my family needs me to care for them. So in that sense, masculinity may simply mean the ability to take care of oneself instead, which isn’t a masculine trait at all. Women are just as capable of doing that as I or any other man is, and I don’t think it’s fair to women to say that they are masculine simply because they can take care of their own shit.
So the reality is that the most all-encompassing definition of what it means to be masculine is more along the lines of what it means to be a good, responsible person in general, regardless of gender or sex. All that other bullshit like “masculine men shoot guns” or “masculine men are physically strong” or “masculine men don’t show emotions” or whatever is a bunch of Hollywood superficiality that has no bearing in reality whatsoever. In my mind, “masculine” men are simply good people, period. So even the most feminine of men can still be more masculine than someone who most people would point to as being masculine. It has nothing to do with sexuality or hobbies or anything else material like that. It’s a very ethereal quality that isn’t absolute by any means.[/quote]
Damn good post. As usual.
[/quote]
This is about the time that Pushharder comes in, calls me Delbert, and then says I’m wrong. I know a lot of people here think he’s masculine, and he appears to take care of his own shit pretty well so I won’t argue that he isn’t in that respect. But I think most of the people who think he’s the definition of masculinity think so for other reasons. Personally, I think most of what he believes when he and I get into these arguments is based in fear; he’s driven by his fears, not his strengths, and then identifies his ability to recognize those fears as a strength.
Take the whole gun thing. Who the fuck needs an automatic weapon? Do we really need to protect ourselves from the enemy that, for 99.999999999%of us will never come? Of course not. I don’t fear the govt or some random intruder coming into my home. I don’t think along fear-based lines like that.
Of course, knowing my luck this is probably the one long post that he’ll actually agree with 100%, so I apologize in advance, Push, if it is.[/quote]
What is this jibber jabber?
Yes, Ph is the shit, yes, we need the GUNZ for the 100% chance that our respective gubbamints will decide to live la vida loco, also, my penis is bigger than yours.
[/quote]
I’m sorry, who are you?[/quote]
The shizzle, compared to your drizzle.
With all due respect to your intelligence, you are an ignorant motherfucker that is blind to the world before his very eyes.
I shudder at the thought of how much energy is wasted maintaining that illusion.
[quote]orion wrote:
[quote]DBCooper wrote:
[quote]orion wrote:
[quote]DBCooper wrote:
[quote]imhungry wrote:
[quote]DBCooper wrote:
[quote]Gettnitdone wrote:
[quote]csulli wrote:
[quote]Gettnitdone wrote:
But your above posts in this thread do smell of beta-bitch insecurity.[/quote]
LOL. What does that even mean?[/quote]
You obviously play video games, which is why you went straight into defensive mode about my video games post, even taking it out of the context I intended.
The actual content of video games are not a problem but the behaviour of choosing to allocate time to that activity may be taking away from social interaction, which is a partial reason for the described deprecation of masculinity in men.[/quote]
I don’t play video games at all and haven’t owned any game system since the original Nintendo came out, which I grew bored of after about two years, so I’m hardly an expert on this matter. That being said, I have friends who play those fucking first-person shooter games until the early hours of the morning every goddamned weekend. I’m pretty sure that they play with each other all the time, as in they are all playing together in the same room.
Sure, they play with people from all over the planet and they do frequently also play by themselves, but the point is that they hardly play these things in solitary confinement on a regular basis. I’m not sure if three or four guys sitting in a room taking turns with the bong and the video controllers constitutes social interaction, but whatever.
Another thing to consider is that two centuries ago, when most people in this thread would probably argue that men were men and not “beta-bitches” as you have so eloquently stated, people didn’t interact with each other all that often either. They might have interacted with their own families, but people didn’t live in the same sort of clustered society that we live in today. Going to the store was a far less frequent occurrence, if they went at all. Many people lived in places where they rarely interacted with anyone outside their own families except on Sundays at church.
I think that video games definitely are a factor in people being different today than they were back then, but I don’t think those differences extend to the de-masculinization of men. I think the effect that video games is having is probably more in terms of our attention spans and what we need in order to be stimulated, sort of like the porn addiction thing. Are we playing more video games because we need more stimulus, or do we need more stimulus because we play video games more often? I don’t know, but I don’t think you know either.
The more pertinent question here as someone else mentioned, which has been covered ad nauseum and is ENTIRELY subjective, is what exactly makes a man a masculine man. Personally, I don’t really think it has anything to do with anything other than our abilities to take care of our families. I think the declining rate of violence in the United States is a clear sign of an increase in masculinity, but others might argue differently if they think that masculinity entails violence. I don’t think so at all, because violence is almost always in the form of a crime, and it is hard to take care of your family if you are in jail as a violent criminal.
However, that would also mean that being a masculine man would mean that you would have to have a family to take care of in the first place. Many men don’t have children or a wife and their parents aren’t old or infirm enough to need someone else taking care of them. I have no children and neither nor anyone else in my family needs me to care for them. So in that sense, masculinity may simply mean the ability to take care of oneself instead, which isn’t a masculine trait at all. Women are just as capable of doing that as I or any other man is, and I don’t think it’s fair to women to say that they are masculine simply because they can take care of their own shit.
So the reality is that the most all-encompassing definition of what it means to be masculine is more along the lines of what it means to be a good, responsible person in general, regardless of gender or sex. All that other bullshit like “masculine men shoot guns” or “masculine men are physically strong” or “masculine men don’t show emotions” or whatever is a bunch of Hollywood superficiality that has no bearing in reality whatsoever. In my mind, “masculine” men are simply good people, period. So even the most feminine of men can still be more masculine than someone who most people would point to as being masculine. It has nothing to do with sexuality or hobbies or anything else material like that. It’s a very ethereal quality that isn’t absolute by any means.[/quote]
Damn good post. As usual.
[/quote]
This is about the time that Pushharder comes in, calls me Delbert, and then says I’m wrong. I know a lot of people here think he’s masculine, and he appears to take care of his own shit pretty well so I won’t argue that he isn’t in that respect. But I think most of the people who think he’s the definition of masculinity think so for other reasons. Personally, I think most of what he believes when he and I get into these arguments is based in fear; he’s driven by his fears, not his strengths, and then identifies his ability to recognize those fears as a strength.
Take the whole gun thing. Who the fuck needs an automatic weapon? Do we really need to protect ourselves from the enemy that, for 99.999999999%of us will never come? Of course not. I don’t fear the govt or some random intruder coming into my home. I don’t think along fear-based lines like that.
Of course, knowing my luck this is probably the one long post that he’ll actually agree with 100%, so I apologize in advance, Push, if it is.[/quote]
What is this jibber jabber?
Yes, Ph is the shit, yes, we need the GUNZ for the 100% chance that our respective gubbamints will decide to live la vida loco, also, my penis is bigger than yours.
[/quote]
I’m sorry, who are you?[/quote]
The shizzle, compared to your drizzle.
With all due respect to your intelligence, you are an ignorant motherfucker that is blind to the world before his very eyes.
I shudder at the thought of how much energy is wasted maintaining that illusion.
[/quote]
Coming from a scared little child who huddles in fear of the big bad gov’t, I take your post as a compliment.