Doctors Planning Exit Under Obamacare

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[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]countingbeans wrote:

Then lets factor in the fact that government sets the price. [/quote]

Well, right now the insurance companies set the price…[/quote]

So two evils.

I’ll take the evil that has to “compete” (Not that the government forces insurance companies to compete with each other,) over the evil that can always tax their way into the black…[/quote]

Maybe…but I am just making the point that many of those same doctors were complaining about the insurance companies ten years ago and planning early retirement because of it.

Doctor salaries have been DECREASING over the last decade, not increasing…which is one of the smaller reasons I chose dentistry…less insurance control so more of my money comes to me.[/quote]

Seeing as you work in the industry, if you had a magic wand, what would you do? (If anything.)[/quote]

Do what the Jewish kid said his wife does…do all work “fee up front”…which means mostly cash patients…but that is mostly only seen in high end communities where the people earn upwards of 100k a year.

If you want to treat people from lower incomes, you HAVE to deal with the insurance companies…which often do NOT pay you full price for the work you do.

A good crown can charge out upwards of $1,000. Some insurance may pay less than 300 for that same work and time spent.

That is why much of this noise is trumped up…it was already in the shitter two decades ago!

Those same docs said the same thing under Bush…they just add Obama’s name to it now.

Insurance did good health care in…not Obama.

Insurance made it “Mcdonalds clinical care”.

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Why can’t we just open up competition across state or even international lines again?

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[quote]pushharder wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

Those same docs said the same thing under Bush…they just add Obama’s name to it now.

Insurance did good health care in…not Obama.

Insurance made it “Mcdonalds clinical care”.[/quote]

However, one of the two entities does what it does at the point of a gun.

And whatever you do don’t say that makes no difference. [/quote]

That may be true…but dear lord…if people were honest, they would have been raising hell two decades ago when insurance companies themselves started dictating treatment that can be done on a patient OVER the doctor’s care.

And let’s face it, regardless of all the talk, most people couldn’t afford these procedures without insurance…yet they are crying this much now?

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]pushharder wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

Those same docs said the same thing under Bush…they just add Obama’s name to it now.

Insurance did good health care in…not Obama.

Insurance made it “Mcdonalds clinical care”.[/quote]

However, one of the two entities does what it does at the point of a gun.

And whatever you do don’t say that makes no difference. [/quote]

That may be true…but dear lord…if people were honest, they would have been raising hell two decades ago when insurance companies themselves started dictating treatment that can be done on a patient OVER the doctor’s care.

And let’s face it, regardless of all the talk, most people couldn’t afford these procedures without insurance…yet they are crying this much now?

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I don’t think people object to a change in the system as much as they object to the actual change that happened.

I live in MA, I know what the individual mandate has done to our insurance rates. It blows. Not to mention the fact that the government forcing you to spend your money in a certain way really rubs me the wrong way. One of the major selling points to Obama’s rhetoric was anti-mandate, and Clinton was for it.

Well push comes to shove and a bunch of lobbyists and other various scumbags sat down and wrote one of the largest bills in the history of man, exempted the Royal American Elite from its tyranny, and crammed a hastily written shit sandwich that doesn’t actually help us down our throats.

That is part of the outcry now without any before. The devil you know syndrome. Much like how it is very difficult to beat a sitting POTUS, the devil you know…

I mean it is working so well, certain parts have been delayed, you know until after the midterms, lol.

I get what you are saying, but this is a monstrosity that will have unintended ripples for decades…

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[quote]dmaddox wrote:

[quote]thethirdruffian wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]Bauber wrote:

And by government run healthcare you mean something like the VA? Ask any vet. VA care blows donkey dick.[/quote]

Yup [/quote]

+1[/quote]

My father-in-law agrees. He was in Vietnam, and to this day he has never set foot in the VA because they will not see him in a short period of time. He has to wait 6 months. He is able to get in to his doctor on his private insurance usually within a week.

My Mom is on Medicare and she can not see a doctor for her well woman visit unless she makes an appointment 6 months out.

Socilized medicine is the way to go.
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my dad liked the va it gave him a place to go after my mom died. they treated him pretty ok especially at the end, he called the nurses his girlfriends because he had to sit by the nurses station due to him trying to escape a few times. different war though too he was a korean war veteran. I will say I didn’t like seeing him in a small room with three other people kind of crowded but he liked it. my mon was on Medicare and well myth of no death panels is that there are in fact not panels per se but doctors strongly suggest remove life support on your loved one, not something I would wish on my enemies watching your mom slowly silently die

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[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
Why can’t we just open up competition across state or even international lines again?[/quote]

Because they had no real intention of solving this problem, but more interested in expanding their voter rolls and provide kickbacks to their donors, friends, and family members.

Look at who got exemptions and funding, and who didn’t.

Or you can come over here and look at how a bullshit multi-Billion dollar High Speed Rail Project was exchanged for a single yes-vote from Jim Costa (D-Fresno).

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]countingbeans wrote:

Then lets factor in the fact that government sets the price. [/quote]

Well, right now the insurance companies set the price…[/quote]

Quality doctors are in demand and do not have to accept insurance company pricing.

Mrs. Jewbacca just demands cash up front or if a patient is in need and can’t pay, do it for free or at a very reduced rate.

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[quote]Jewbacca wrote:

Quality doctors are in demand and do not have to accept insurance company pricing.
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This may be true…but sometimes, some people feel like that culture that raised them needs some help too.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]countingbeans wrote:

Then lets factor in the fact that government sets the price. [/quote]

Well, right now the insurance companies set the price…[/quote]

So two evils.

I’ll take the evil that has to “compete” (Not that the government forces insurance companies to compete with each other,) over the evil that can always tax their way into the black…[/quote]

Maybe…but I am just making the point that many of those same doctors were complaining about the insurance companies ten years ago and planning early retirement because of it.

Doctor salaries have been DECREASING over the last decade, not increasing…which is one of the smaller reasons I chose dentistry…less insurance control so more of my money comes to me.[/quote]

Seeing as you work in the industry, if you had a magic wand, what would you do? (If anything.)[/quote]

Do what the Jewish kid says[/quote]

LOL…kid, really?

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What prevents the government from being the price gougers of healthcare rather than insurance companies ?

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[quote]MaximusB wrote:
What prevents the government from being the price gougers of healthcare rather than insurance companies ?[/quote]

What was keeping insurance companies from doing it?

Hey, I just know what I deal with daily…and that is literally having to fight with insurance companies to get paid for work I have done because they will do everything they can to avoid paying for certain procedures.

No one was even paying attention to this for decades.

Now, all of a sudden, Obama did all the harm?

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]MaximusB wrote:
What prevents the government from being the price gougers of healthcare rather than insurance companies ?[/quote]

What was keeping insurance companies from doing it?

Hey, I just know what I deal with daily…and that is literally having to fight with insurance companies to get paid for work I have done because they will do everything they can to avoid paying for certain procedures.

No one was even paying attention to this for decades.

Now, all of a sudden, Obama did all the harm?[/quote]

Why am I to believe, that the government doesn’t do what insurance companies are doing now ?

Why do you think the government won’t also undercut your pay ?

I look at how the government got involved in the college loan situation, and tuition rates have skyrocketed. In fact, government made $51 Billion off of student loans last year.

You gotta give credit to the government for coming off like it’s some holier than thou and benevolent provider, when they did nothing more than take a page from the mafia.

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[quote]MaximusB wrote:

Why am I to believe, that the government doesn’t do what insurance companies are doing now ?[/quote]

Hopefully you wouldn’t believe that.

I am talking about how the huge number of people acting pissed now were clueless to how bad shit was before.

That is all. I am not justifying this plan because I don’t even know all details of it.

I do know my own job though.

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Why do you think the government won’t also undercut your pay ?[/quote]

Look, this is not new to me. It is an everyday thing so much that we hire one lady just to fight with the insurance companies. I don’t trust the government regardless of who is sitting in the President’s seat.

I just know that we had better do SOMETHING because shit was doing pretty damn bad already and no one was taking steps to do anything about it at all.

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I look at how the government got involved in the college loan situation, and tuition rates have skyrocketed. In fact, government made $51 Billion off of student loans last year.

You gotta give credit to the government for coming off like it’s some holier than thou and benevolent provider, when they did nothing more than take a page from the mafia. [/quote]

Hey, my point is, that same mafia was always there. It just seems like some people only see them now because Obama took the seat.

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[quote]pushharder wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

No one was even paying attention to this for decades.

Now, all of a sudden, Obama did all the harm?[/quote]

I was in the health insurance business back in the '90’s. It was being paid attention to then and now.

Obama certainly did not do all the harm in the ACA. The members of Congress who passed it assisted him. The USSC justices who voted to uphold also did their part.

Their is multiple culpability. But he is the one who led the charge. It’s not called PelosiCare for a reason.[/quote]

What was your solution?

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If you are suggesting people are bitching because Obama took the seat, perhaps it’s because

a) He lied to holy hell to get it passed.
b) He is changing law on his own without Congressional approval or input.
c) He is unequally giving exemptions.
d) He is forcing people to buy something they might not otherwise be buying.

He decided to go after this all on his own, it’s his baby, he owns all that comes with it.