[quote]pushharder wrote:
No one can sum it up better than Trump
Let me get this straight . . …
We’re going to be “gifted” with a health care
plan we are forced to purchase and
fined if we don’t,
Which purportedly covers at least
ten million more people,
without adding a single new doctor,
but provides for 16,000 new IRS agents,
written by a committee whose chairman
says he doesn’t understand it,
passed by a Congress that didn’t read it but
exempted themselves from it,
and signed by a Dumbo President who smokes,
with funding administered by a treasury chief who
didn’t pay his taxes,
for which we’ll be taxed for four years before any
benefits take effect,
by a government which has
already bankrupted Social Security and Medicare,
all to be overseen by a surgeon general
who is obese,
and financed by a country that’s broke!!!
‘What the hell could possibly go wrong?’
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Reactionary garbage as suspected. This woman fails to realize that most every other industrialized country have a wholly government run healthcare system that costs half as much, gets better results and doesn’t force it’s public into BK. Maybe Obamacare isn’t the answer but neither is the status quo.
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SHUT THE FUCK UP, WILL YOU?
I have posted this several times, but I live in such a system and I almost exclusively visit private doctors.
You have literally no idea what you are talking about.
[quote]Zeppelin795 wrote:
Reactionary garbage as suspected. This woman fails to realize that most every other industrialized country have a wholly government run healthcare system that costs half as much, gets better results and doesn’t force it’s public into BK. Maybe Obamacare isn’t the answer but neither is the status quo.[/quote]
You’re right. More subservience is always the answer.
Your master beckons you. Embrace him. Do his bidding. It’s for your own good after all.[/quote]
You fail to counter the status quo system. IT IS YOU WHO IS SUBSERVIENT.
[quote]pushharder wrote:
No one can sum it up better than Trump
Let me get this straight . . …
We’re going to be “gifted” with a health care
plan we are forced to purchase and
fined if we don’t,
Which purportedly covers at least
ten million more people,
without adding a single new doctor,
but provides for 16,000 new IRS agents,
written by a committee whose chairman
says he doesn’t understand it,
passed by a Congress that didn’t read it but
exempted themselves from it,
and signed by a Dumbo President who smokes,
with funding administered by a treasury chief who
didn’t pay his taxes,
for which we’ll be taxed for four years before any
benefits take effect,
by a government which has
already bankrupted Social Security and Medicare,
all to be overseen by a surgeon general
who is obese,
and financed by a country that’s broke!!!
‘What the hell could possibly go wrong?’
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Reactionary garbage as suspected. This woman fails to realize that most every other industrialized country have a wholly government run healthcare system that costs half as much, gets better results and doesn’t force it’s public into BK. Maybe Obamacare isn’t the answer but neither is the status quo.
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SHUT THE FUCK UP, WILL YOU?
I have posted this several times, but I live in such a system and I almost exclusively visit private doctors.
You have literally no idea what you are talking about.
None, Zilch.
Stop pretending that you do.
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Okay so the U.S. doesn’t spend twice as much as other industrialized countries on healthcare and healthcare costs are not the number 1 reason for BK?
[quote]pushharder wrote:
No one can sum it up better than Trump
Let me get this straight . . …
We’re going to be “gifted” with a health care
plan we are forced to purchase and
fined if we don’t,
Which purportedly covers at least
ten million more people,
without adding a single new doctor,
but provides for 16,000 new IRS agents,
written by a committee whose chairman
says he doesn’t understand it,
passed by a Congress that didn’t read it but
exempted themselves from it,
and signed by a Dumbo President who smokes,
with funding administered by a treasury chief who
didn’t pay his taxes,
for which we’ll be taxed for four years before any
benefits take effect,
by a government which has
already bankrupted Social Security and Medicare,
all to be overseen by a surgeon general
who is obese,
and financed by a country that’s broke!!!
‘What the hell could possibly go wrong?’[/quote]
Reactionary garbage as suspected. This woman fails to realize that most every other industrialized country have a wholly government run healthcare system that costs half as much, gets better results and doesn’t force it’s public into BK. Maybe Obamacare isn’t the answer but neither is the status quo.[/quote]
Better results? Again, have you ever been to a country in Europe or Canada and seen their health care system at work? Walk into an ER there and I promise you will change your mind. [/quote]
If the U.S. healthcare system is so good why does it never rank number 1 or even in the top 10? Also the amount of people who have to claim BK because of the outrageous costs?
Medicare started the entire health care cost rise back under Johnson. When they paid cost +10% and did not put any stipulations on the cost so hospitals ran wild.
Again have you ever been to a ER in one of the countries you so highly speak of? Stop dodging the question. Those rankings have proven to be bullshit. Explain why all medical innovation and procedures originate in the US. Explain why the best care (albeit very expensive in most cases) is in the US. I am not saying reform isn’t needed, but obamacare is an absolute disaster. And everyone with a brain knows this.
So again have you ever been in an ER in one of those countries? I have in multiple and it is appalling. In Rome the main hospital (best hospital) in the country the head surgeon of the hospital literally told me if my GF at the time needed to have her appendix removed he would immediately go to the US embassy and get back to the states ASAP as he wouldn’t operate on his dog there if he could help it.
A simple surgery like appendix removal. Oh and I also paid him 600 dollars cash just to be seen. The wait was 3 DAYS. Yes, you heard me 3 days. No lie. Unless you had cash and greased some hands. They had gymnasium size rooms literally packed to complete limits with people on cots moaning and groaning waiting to be seen. So, if this is the care you want down the road be all for Obamacare.
I also had an exchange student from Slovakia live with me for 2 years. Amazingly smart and kind person. His country has had socialized medicine for 20+ years and he even explained it was a disaster. He tore his ACL as a sophomore in high school and they refused to fix it because it wasn’t necessary for him to live a normal life. He was an amazing Tennis player, but couldn;t keep up in the upper circuits due to that injury. He was amazed here at the access, cleanliness, and timely manner you could get seen at a doctors office. You keep linking all this bullshit from people who have never been anywhere and sit at a desk and think they know things are so great everywhere else and that it sucks here. They have no real world experience, know nothing of the medical field, and you flock to them to fit your agenda. Grow up, travel a little, and then come back to me.[/quote]
So all the rankings have proven to be bullshit? Says who? You?
Unfortunately not all of the major innovations are in the U.S. such as adult stem cell research and application.
Slovakia is 1 country does every country have their system? Why do folks I know from Australia prefer their healthcare system overall to the U.S.?
And funny how the costs of Medicare rise lower than that of the private healthcare system.
You fail to counter the status quo system. IT IS YOU WHO IS SUBSERVIENT.
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Progressivism and statism are the status quo. I counter them at every turn.
You are the dumb sucker who surrenders his liberty for safety. You are the slave who offers his wrists and ankles to be manacled in exchange for “stuff.”[/quote]
And you are the fool who probably votes against his own economic interests in the name of ideology. The status quo is the corporations more so than the government. If you want to defend a system that forces it’s public into BK, costs twice as much as the rest of the world and isn’t even ranked number 1 with all it’s outrageous costs then that is all on you brother.
You fail to counter the status quo system. IT IS YOU WHO IS SUBSERVIENT.
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Progressivism and statism are the status quo. I counter them at every turn.
You are the dumb sucker who surrenders his liberty for safety. You are the slave who offers his wrists and ankles to be manacled in exchange for “stuff.”[/quote]
And you are the fool who probably votes against his own economic interests in the name of ideology. The status quo is the corporations more so than the government. If you want to defend a system that forces it’s public into BK, costs twice as much as the rest of the world and isn’t even ranked number 1 with all it’s outrageous costs then that is all on you brother.[/quote]
You fail to counter the status quo system. IT IS YOU WHO IS SUBSERVIENT.
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Progressivism and statism are the status quo. I counter them at every turn.
You are the dumb sucker who surrenders his liberty for safety. You are the slave who offers his wrists and ankles to be manacled in exchange for “stuff.”[/quote]
And you are the fool who probably votes against his own economic interests in the name of ideology. The status quo is the corporations more so than the government. If you want to defend a system that forces it’s public into BK, costs twice as much as the rest of the world and isn’t even ranked number 1 with all it’s outrageous costs then that is all on you brother.[/quote]
Some people actually believe in personal responsibility and taking care of one’s self. Imagine that.
You fail to counter the status quo system. IT IS YOU WHO IS SUBSERVIENT.
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Progressivism and statism are the status quo. I counter them at every turn.
You are the dumb sucker who surrenders his liberty for safety. You are the slave who offers his wrists and ankles to be manacled in exchange for “stuff.”[/quote]
And you are the fool who probably votes against his own economic interests in the name of ideology. The status quo is the corporations more so than the government. If you want to defend a system that forces it’s public into BK, costs twice as much as the rest of the world and isn’t even ranked number 1 with all it’s outrageous costs then that is all on you brother.[/quote]
Some people actually believe in personal responsibility and taking care of one’s self. Imagine that.[/quote]
This is only relevant to one of the points I brought up in the last post. How does personal responsibility have anything to do with the extreme high cost of healthcare?
You fail to counter the status quo system. IT IS YOU WHO IS SUBSERVIENT.
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Progressivism and statism are the status quo. I counter them at every turn.
You are the dumb sucker who surrenders his liberty for safety. You are the slave who offers his wrists and ankles to be manacled in exchange for “stuff.”[/quote]
And you are the fool who probably votes against his own economic interests in the name of ideology. The status quo is the corporations more so than the government. If you want to defend a system that forces it’s public into BK, costs twice as much as the rest of the world and isn’t even ranked number 1 with all it’s outrageous costs then that is all on you brother.[/quote]
Yes, and he would like it to remain “all on him”.
It is you who wants to take his choice away. [/quote]
You are so concerned with choice. I bet you were against the notion of choice when one would have to choose between private and public healthcare. Or were you for that choice?
You fail to counter the status quo system. IT IS YOU WHO IS SUBSERVIENT.
[/quote]
Progressivism and statism are the status quo. I counter them at every turn.
You are the dumb sucker who surrenders his liberty for safety. You are the slave who offers his wrists and ankles to be manacled in exchange for “stuff.”[/quote]
And you are the fool who probably votes against his own economic interests in the name of ideology. The status quo is the corporations more so than the government. If you want to defend a system that forces it’s public into BK, costs twice as much as the rest of the world and isn’t even ranked number 1 with all it’s outrageous costs then that is all on you brother.[/quote]
Yes, and he would like it to remain “all on him”.
It is you who wants to take his choice away. [/quote]
You are so concerned with choice. I bet you were against the notion of choice when one would have to choose between private and public healthcare. Or were you for that choice?[/quote]
There is no choice when a “public” option is involved. The government takes at gunpoint the money it needs to pacify its slaves and keep them from rebelling against it.
You fail to counter the status quo system. IT IS YOU WHO IS SUBSERVIENT.
[/quote]
Progressivism and statism are the status quo. I counter them at every turn.
You are the dumb sucker who surrenders his liberty for safety. You are the slave who offers his wrists and ankles to be manacled in exchange for “stuff.”[/quote]
And you are the fool who probably votes against his own economic interests in the name of ideology. The status quo is the corporations more so than the government. If you want to defend a system that forces it’s public into BK, costs twice as much as the rest of the world and isn’t even ranked number 1 with all it’s outrageous costs then that is all on you brother.[/quote]
Yes, and he would like it to remain “all on him”.
It is you who wants to take his choice away. [/quote]
You are so concerned with choice. I bet you were against the notion of choice when one would have to choose between private and public healthcare. Or were you for that choice?[/quote]
No, because that “choice” means robbing other people.
I am also not concerned with the choice of rapists and bankrobbers.
You fail to counter the status quo system. IT IS YOU WHO IS SUBSERVIENT.
[/quote]
Progressivism and statism are the status quo. I counter them at every turn.
You are the dumb sucker who surrenders his liberty for safety. You are the slave who offers his wrists and ankles to be manacled in exchange for “stuff.”[/quote]
And you are the fool who probably votes against his own economic interests in the name of ideology. The status quo is the corporations more so than the government. If you want to defend a system that forces it’s public into BK, costs twice as much as the rest of the world and isn’t even ranked number 1 with all it’s outrageous costs then that is all on you brother.[/quote]
Yes, and he would like it to remain “all on him”.
It is you who wants to take his choice away. [/quote]
You are so concerned with choice. I bet you were against the notion of choice when one would have to choose between private and public healthcare. Or were you for that choice?[/quote]
No, because that “choice” means robbing other people.
I am also not concerned with the choice of rapists and bankrobbers. [/quote]
In the overall argument no one has made evidentiary claims as to why it is better to pay twice as much as everyone else in the world for healthcare and why this system forces the public into BK.
You fail to counter the status quo system. IT IS YOU WHO IS SUBSERVIENT.
[/quote]
Progressivism and statism are the status quo. I counter them at every turn.
You are the dumb sucker who surrenders his liberty for safety. You are the slave who offers his wrists and ankles to be manacled in exchange for “stuff.”[/quote]
And you are the fool who probably votes against his own economic interests in the name of ideology. The status quo is the corporations more so than the government. If you want to defend a system that forces it’s public into BK, costs twice as much as the rest of the world and isn’t even ranked number 1 with all it’s outrageous costs then that is all on you brother.[/quote]
Yes, and he would like it to remain “all on him”.
It is you who wants to take his choice away. [/quote]
You are so concerned with choice. I bet you were against the notion of choice when one would have to choose between private and public healthcare. Or were you for that choice?[/quote]
No, because that “choice” means robbing other people.
I am also not concerned with the choice of rapists and bankrobbers. [/quote]
I don’t like being robbed to pay for wars that make us more enemies. But you don’t like being taxed to help provide healthcare to the public. You’d rather keep a system that gouges the users and forces them into bankruptcy.
You fail to counter the status quo system. IT IS YOU WHO IS SUBSERVIENT.
[/quote]
Progressivism and statism are the status quo. I counter them at every turn.
You are the dumb sucker who surrenders his liberty for safety. You are the slave who offers his wrists and ankles to be manacled in exchange for “stuff.”[/quote]
And you are the fool who probably votes against his own economic interests in the name of ideology. The status quo is the corporations more so than the government. If you want to defend a system that forces it’s public into BK, costs twice as much as the rest of the world and isn’t even ranked number 1 with all it’s outrageous costs then that is all on you brother.[/quote]
Yes, and he would like it to remain “all on him”.
It is you who wants to take his choice away. [/quote]
You are so concerned with choice. I bet you were against the notion of choice when one would have to choose between private and public healthcare. Or were you for that choice?[/quote]
No, because that “choice” means robbing other people.
I am also not concerned with the choice of rapists and bankrobbers. [/quote]
In the overall argument no one has made evidentiary claims as to why it is better to pay twice as much as everyone else in the world for healthcare and why this system forces the public into BK.[/quote]
Actually multiple people have, you just refuse to listen or acknowledge them. Multiple people who have been in other countries or live in other countries with socialized healthcare have told you it sucks and is horrible unless again you are wealthy. I’d rather pay double and actually get care than get raped and actually pay more through taxes eventually and get shit care.
Again, you have dodged the question multiple times now. Has you ever been to a hospital or ER needing care in the countries you seem to tout as bring so progressive and humanitarian with healthcare?
You fail to counter the status quo system. IT IS YOU WHO IS SUBSERVIENT.
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Progressivism and statism are the status quo. I counter them at every turn.
You are the dumb sucker who surrenders his liberty for safety. You are the slave who offers his wrists and ankles to be manacled in exchange for “stuff.”[/quote]
And you are the fool who probably votes against his own economic interests in the name of ideology. The status quo is the corporations more so than the government. If you want to defend a system that forces it’s public into BK, costs twice as much as the rest of the world and isn’t even ranked number 1 with all it’s outrageous costs then that is all on you brother.[/quote]
Yes, and he would like it to remain “all on him”.
It is you who wants to take his choice away. [/quote]
You are so concerned with choice. I bet you were against the notion of choice when one would have to choose between private and public healthcare. Or were you for that choice?[/quote]
No, because that “choice” means robbing other people.
I am also not concerned with the choice of rapists and bankrobbers. [/quote]
In the overall argument no one has made evidentiary claims as to why it is better to pay twice as much as everyone else in the world for healthcare and why this system forces the public into BK.[/quote]
Actually multiple people have, you just refuse to listen or acknowledge them. Multiple people who have been in other countries or live in other countries with socialized healthcare have told you it sucks and is horrible unless again you are wealthy. I’d rather pay double and actually get care than get raped and actually pay more through taxes eventually and get shit care.
Again, you have dodged the question multiple times now. Has you ever been to a hospital or ER needing care in the countries you seem to tout as bring so progressive and humanitarian with healthcare?
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“shit care” then what is the reason the U.S. is not even ranked in the top 10 in overall healthcare?
No I have never been to another country but know plenty of people whom I work with that are from other countries and it’s funny how they do not complain about their healthcare.
You fail to counter the status quo system. IT IS YOU WHO IS SUBSERVIENT.
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Progressivism and statism are the status quo. I counter them at every turn.
You are the dumb sucker who surrenders his liberty for safety. You are the slave who offers his wrists and ankles to be manacled in exchange for “stuff.”[/quote]
And you are the fool who probably votes against his own economic interests in the name of ideology. The status quo is the corporations more so than the government. If you want to defend a system that forces it’s public into BK, costs twice as much as the rest of the world and isn’t even ranked number 1 with all it’s outrageous costs then that is all on you brother.[/quote]
Yes, and he would like it to remain “all on him”.
It is you who wants to take his choice away. [/quote]
You are so concerned with choice. I bet you were against the notion of choice when one would have to choose between private and public healthcare. Or were you for that choice?[/quote]
No, because that “choice” means robbing other people.
I am also not concerned with the choice of rapists and bankrobbers. [/quote]
In the overall argument no one has made evidentiary claims as to why it is better to pay twice as much as everyone else in the world for healthcare and why this system forces the public into BK.[/quote]
Actually multiple people have, you just refuse to listen or acknowledge them. Multiple people who have been in other countries or live in other countries with socialized healthcare have told you it sucks and is horrible unless again you are wealthy. I’d rather pay double and actually get care than get raped and actually pay more through taxes eventually and get shit care.
Again, you have dodged the question multiple times now. Has you ever been to a hospital or ER needing care in the countries you seem to tout as bring so progressive and humanitarian with healthcare?
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Not to mention the more efficient costs of the U.S. sectors of government run healthcare.
