[quote]super saiyan wrote:
I’m merely pointing out the truth. [/quote]
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LOL.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]super saiyan wrote:
I’m merely pointing out the truth. [/quote]
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LOL.[/quote]
What’s so funny about you not knowing things about your own profession?
[quote]super saiyan wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]super saiyan wrote:
I’m merely pointing out the truth. [/quote]
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LOL.[/quote]
What’s so funny about you not knowing things about your own profession?[/quote]
What’s funny is you…always.
Are “dental surgery” and “oral surgery” the same thing?
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]super saiyan wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]super saiyan wrote:
I’m merely pointing out the truth. [/quote]
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LOL.[/quote]
What’s so funny about you not knowing things about your own profession?[/quote]
What’s funny is you…always.[/quote]
That’s a very thought-provoking response. Do you still want to stand by your statement that oral surgery is a specialty of medicine and not dentistry? Or do you want to finally admit you were wrong for once?
[quote]super saiyan wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]super saiyan wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]super saiyan wrote:
I’m merely pointing out the truth. [/quote]
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LOL.[/quote]
What’s so funny about you not knowing things about your own profession?[/quote]
What’s funny is you…always.[/quote]
That’s a very thought-provoking response. Do you still want to stand by your statement that oral surgery is a specialty of medicine and not dentistry? Or do you want to finally admit you were wrong for once?
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That would depend on the base of their education. Most oral surgeons in the US have a medical background from med school. If they went to med school first, it is a speciality of medicine. If they went to Dental School first and only did medical residency (which is what your link is referring to), then it is a speciality of dentistry.
[quote]Smashingweights wrote:
Are “dental surgery” and “oral surgery” the same thing?[/quote]
Yes. No one calls it “dental surgery”.
[quote]setto222 wrote:
All very valid points however you can observe the model of “osteopaths” in Quebec. They fought tooth and nail for respect and have only been accepted into the medical community (though barely) after assembling a large body research over time. But they don’t call themselves doctors. Maybe that’s why the medical community takes issue with them!
As for your second points I do believe in a connection between back pain and manual manipulations but that’s the extent of it. So yeah, for back pain I would refer to a chiro, a Canadian Osteo and even a psych. [/quote]
I’m glad to hear you would refer to a DC. I think every Chiro needs to have a professional relationship with MDs, dentists, nurses, DPT/PTs, etc. At that point the proof is in the pudding. If the treatment seems to be working then continue the relationship. The burden is on the Chiropractor at that point, and we shouldn’t shy away from it.
PX, do you ever have TMJ issues come into your office? If so, how do you handle the situation? A buddy of mine in class has a job lined up with a dentist a couple days a week to manage his patients with TMJ dysfunction.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]Smashingweights wrote:
Are “dental surgery” and “oral surgery” the same thing?[/quote]
Yes. No one calls it “dental surgery”. [/quote]
So it’s oral surgery and oral surgeon not dental surgery and dental surgeon?
I know you have stated repeatedly that you use scalpels and sutures on a daily basis so are you an oral surgeon?
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]super saiyan wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]super saiyan wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]super saiyan wrote:
I’m merely pointing out the truth. [/quote]
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LOL.[/quote]
What’s so funny about you not knowing things about your own profession?[/quote]
What’s funny is you…always.[/quote]
That’s a very thought-provoking response. Do you still want to stand by your statement that oral surgery is a specialty of medicine and not dentistry? Or do you want to finally admit you were wrong for once?
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That would depend on the base of their education. Most oral surgeons in the US have a medical background from med school. If they went to med school first, it is a speciality of medicine. If they went to Dental School first and only did medical residency (which is what your link is referring to), then it is a speciality of dentistry.[/quote]
Well make sure you call all those organizations so they can use your made up definition.
[quote]CroatianRage wrote:
PX, do you ever have TMJ issues come into your office? If so, how do you handle the situation? A buddy of mine in class has a job lined up with a dentist a couple days a week to manage his patients with TMJ dysfunction.[/quote]
First method for me is to stay conservative with treatment. Watch and observe or try an appliance to aid in tooth grinding at night. Surgery is a very risky option due to joint complexity.
[quote]super saiyan wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]super saiyan wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]super saiyan wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]super saiyan wrote:
I’m merely pointing out the truth. [/quote]
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LOL.[/quote]
What’s so funny about you not knowing things about your own profession?[/quote]
What’s funny is you…always.[/quote]
That’s a very thought-provoking response. Do you still want to stand by your statement that oral surgery is a specialty of medicine and not dentistry? Or do you want to finally admit you were wrong for once?
[/quote]
That would depend on the base of their education. Most oral surgeons in the US have a medical background from med school. If they went to med school first, it is a speciality of medicine. If they went to Dental School first and only did medical residency (which is what your link is referring to), then it is a speciality of dentistry.[/quote]
Well make sure you call all those organizations so they can use your made up definition.[/quote]
Can you two shut the fuck up and take your pissing contest to PM’s. Fuck me, you’re acting like five year olds, stop turning every thread into an online dick measuring competition.
[quote]Smashingweights wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]Smashingweights wrote:
Are “dental surgery” and “oral surgery” the same thing?[/quote]
Yes. No one calls it “dental surgery”. [/quote]
So it’s oral surgery and oral surgeon not dental surgery and dental surgeon?
I know you have stated repeatedly that you use scalpels and sutures on a daily basis so are you an oral surgeon?[/quote]
I am a DDS whbo does personally specialize in oral surgery. I am not an “oral surgeon” accredited.
[quote]CroatianRage wrote:
[quote]Gambit_Lost wrote:
Thanks for the post and your time. I do have some questions:
1a) In your studies, how much did you “get into” food/diets?
1b) In your professional opinion, are chiropractors properly educated/qualified to be giving medical advice? (re: the breast cancer scenario I wrote above)
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Do you, personally/professionally, believe that “proper diet” could produce have the same outcomes as a double mastectomy?
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What is an equivalent degree to yours? An M.S.? An M.A.? A Ph.D.? Are the rigors of study equivalent?
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Is it ethical for a D.C. to label themselves as “Dr. Smith” when giving dietary and/or medical advice/opinion?
What I mean by this last question is, I have given nutrition advice to a lot of my friends/family, but I have NEVER claimed to be a qualified doctor. A good friend of mine is a Ph.D. in English. If she were to go by “Dr. Smith” and give nutrition advice, I would find that difficult to accept, ethically speaking. Should I hold the same standards for a D.C.?
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1a) We take biochemistry 1 and 2, nutrition, and clinical nutrition. All together they were pretty poor. Kind of a side note, much of what a doctor does in their practice is learned from seminars outside of school. Some choose to focus on nutrition, which seems to be your scenario. Not my cup of tea, however.
1b) I kind of have to be careful on this one because it is tricky. AJ did not have breast cancer, just a high chance of developing it. I personally don’t think it would be okay to advise a patient one way or another, but it would be the DCs duty to educate the patient if capable. In my opinion, with most visceral issues it is always best to defer to an MD. i.e. We are not allowed to take a patient off blood pressure medication, but we are allowed to suggest to them to talk to their doctor about it–but once again, not my cup of tea.
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Diet may be one of the largest influencing factors on whether or not a patient develops cancer. I believe this is over a lifetime though. This is difficult again though, because she didn’t actually have cancer if I recall. This DC seems to have been making a pretty extraordinary claim nevertheless.
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I will have a doctorate degree. I don’t really know what to compare it to. People will call me Dr. and I won’t feel bad about it. We average about 25 hours per trimester (10-12 to graduate) and then have to meet certain numbers in clinic before we may graduate. Watered down or not, it is an extremely large time commitment for 4 years.
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Eh, it’s not unethical. They should probably state they are a Chiropractor though. Some Chiros are on the cutting edge of nutrition, some should keep their advice to themselves. Keep in mind, it is within the scope of practice for a DC to offer nutritional advice. Although, when a doctor creates a situation in which one can reasonably assume a Dr./patient relationship (i.e. your example: “I’m a Dr. do this”) they are thereafter liable for all consequences of their advice. So if guy says don’t get a mastectomy just eat blah blah and the girl gets breast cancer, then he can expect a call from a lawyer.[/quote]
Thanks for your time and opinions. If (when?) people jump on you in this thread, please remember this in the internet… and ignore. I truly appreciate your taking the time to write to me.
For what it’s worth, I just checked this guys “professional” page where he has a link to a "no more vaccines " page that extols the “danger” of vaccination.
Can I safely assume that this is not taught in school?
[quote]setto222 wrote:
To the OP:
Chiro isn’t regulated as severely as the medical community and therefore a lot of quacks tend to squeeze through. You will RARELY find someone with a PhD or MD/DMD/DO etc refer to a Chiro as “doctor”. I guess it’s something that’s put into our head and a sort of elitist attitude that is taught. Present some solid peer reviewed papers on what is often touted by Chiros and maybe that will warrant some respect.
This goes for certain DOs as well as MDs. Unless it’s evidence based medicine it’s quackery to me! [/quote]
Thanks for the post. I actually hadn’t realized that they DON’T use evidence based medicine… that does sound “quacky” to me as well.
[quote]CroatianRage wrote:
[quote]setto222 wrote:
To the OP:
Chiro isn’t regulated as severely as the medical community and therefore a lot of quacks tend to squeeze through. You will RARELY find someone with a PhD or MD/DMD/DO etc refer to a Chiro as “doctor”. I guess it’s something that’s put into our head and a sort of elitist attitude that is taught. Present some solid peer reviewed papers on what is often touted by Chiros and maybe that will warrant some respect.
This goes for certain DOs as well as MDs. Unless it’s evidence based medicine it’s quackery to me! [/quote]
How would you suggest that Chiropractic present itself to the medical community? Most of what we know about Chiropractic is unproven or theorized. The majority of peer reviewed papers are in the form of case studies which are typically dismissed as anecdotal. There are few Chiropractic schools in the US and the research departments don’t have nearly the resources or equipment to observe the proposed mechanisms. Would you ever refer a patient to a Chiro? Would you ever go to one yourself? Have you ever been approached by a Chiro in a professional manner?[/quote]
How can something be “known” if it is “unproven”? Perhaps I am being elitist, but shouldn’t the field as a whole be working to obtain the necessary evidence? Just a few posts ago you were claiming that you could run an office extremely cheaply…perhaps some of that money could be used to create peer reviewed studies?
Was the earlier poster correct that there is almost no peer-reviewed evidence to support the field?!?
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]Smashingweights wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]Smashingweights wrote:
Are “dental surgery” and “oral surgery” the same thing?[/quote]
Yes. No one calls it “dental surgery”. [/quote]
So it’s oral surgery and oral surgeon not dental surgery and dental surgeon?
I know you have stated repeatedly that you use scalpels and sutures on a daily basis so are you an oral surgeon?[/quote]
I am a DDS whbo does personally specialize in oral surgery. I am not an “oral surgeon” accredited.[/quote]
I kind of understand I think, let me see if I have it right.
Does that mean that you preform oral surgery but aren’t an accredited oral surgeon?
Do you work under the license/accreditation of an oral surgeon?
Sort of like a PA?
Or is that not correct?
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]CroatianRage wrote:
PX, do you ever have TMJ issues come into your office? If so, how do you handle the situation? A buddy of mine in class has a job lined up with a dentist a couple days a week to manage his patients with TMJ dysfunction.[/quote]
First method for me is to stay conservative with treatment. Watch and observe or try an appliance to aid in tooth grinding at night. Surgery is a very risky option due to joint complexity.[/quote]
Apart from the mouthpiece have you ever done rehab yourself or referred out for it? I’ve taken a TMJ rehabilitation seminar and am curious how dentists approach this issue. You all might be surprised that adjusting the joint is considered a last resort, at least as far as this seminar went.
[quote]02Thief wrote:
Can you two shut the fuck up and take your pissing contest to PM’s. Fuck me, you’re acting like five year olds, stop turning every thread into an online dick measuring competition.
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