[quote]setto222 wrote:
-At Super Saiyan, in a lot of regions, a Maxilofacial/Oral surgeon will go to medical school before their residency training. Some residency programs require it. It is often a speciality open to both MD and DDS/DMD but calling a graduate of this sort of program a “dentist” is like calling a DO graduate of an MD residency an “osteopath” or an MD an “allopath”. It just doesn’t happen.
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It’s also disingenuous for them to call themselves a MD.
[quote]Smashingweights wrote:
Wow, I wasn’t expecting all this.
I was merely showing the OP in a ball busting manner that the title doctor doesn’t imply medicine since there are “doctors” in all different fields of employment.
So you are a DDS Professor?
Doesn’t that stand gor “Doctor of Dental Surgery”?[/quote]
Not sure how it works in the US but as far as Canada is concerned, a DDS, DMD etc are equivalent and the “surgery” part is the remnant of tradition when some dentists were actually taught surgical procedures.
As an example, medical doctors from McGill receive the degree “MDCM” which means “Doctorem Medicinae et Chirurgiae Magistrum” (doc of medicine and masters in surgery) but this is just tradition. To become a surgeon they still need to go through a residency.
[quote]super saiyan wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]super saiyan wrote:
Oral surgery is a specialty of dentistry is it not?[/quote]
No. Oral surgery is a specialty in medicine.
[/quote]
I guess you should call the American Dental Association and let them know.
http://www.ada.org/6429.aspx#oms[/quote]
You should also call the American Medical Association and let them know too since they also recognize it as a specialty of dentistry.
[quote]super saiyan wrote:
[quote]setto222 wrote:
-At Super Saiyan, in a lot of regions, a Maxilofacial/Oral surgeon will go to medical school before their residency training. Some residency programs require it. It is often a speciality open to both MD and DDS/DMD but calling a graduate of this sort of program a “dentist” is like calling a DO graduate of an MD residency an “osteopath” or an MD an “allopath”. It just doesn’t happen.
[/quote]
It’s also disingenuous for them to call themselves a MD.[/quote]
Zero argument there from me. Unless they attended medical school after dental school.
[quote]Smashingweights wrote:
[quote]Gambit_Lost wrote:
-I’ve always thought Chiropractors were “not real doctors”…was I wrong? Is he appropriately labeling himself as “Dr. Smith”?
[/quote]
You’ve been here for 7 years and are just now realizing that the title doctor doesn’t make you a medical doctor? 
Anyone who has gone to school and earned a doctorate can call them selves a doctor.
You can become a doctor in any of these fields:
Philosophy
Education
Engineering
Theology
Sacred Theology
Science
Letters
Medicine (MD. Probably what you consider “a real doctor”)
Dental Surgery
Dental Medicine
Ministry
Business Administration
Strategic Leadership
Public Administration
Social Work
Biblical Studies
Practical Theology
Professional Studies
Love
Etc. etc. etc.
There are a wide variety of “doctors” out there.
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You missed one so I fixed it
[quote]super saiyan wrote:
[quote]super saiyan wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]super saiyan wrote:
Oral surgery is a specialty of dentistry is it not?[/quote]
No. Oral surgery is a specialty in medicine.
[/quote]
I guess you should call the American Dental Association and let them know.
http://www.ada.org/6429.aspx#oms[/quote]
You should also call the American Medical Association and let them know too since they also recognize it as a specialty of dentistry.
[/quote]
Oh, and call the Department of Labor too so they can change their definition.
“OMS is listed as a dental specialty in the nationally recognized Occupational Outlook Handbook of the U.S. Department of Labor.”
[quote]Derek542 wrote:
[quote]Smashingweights wrote:
[quote]Gambit_Lost wrote:
-I’ve always thought Chiropractors were “not real doctors”…was I wrong? Is he appropriately labeling himself as “Dr. Smith”?
[/quote]
You’ve been here for 7 years and are just now realizing that the title doctor doesn’t make you a medical doctor?
Anyone who has gone to school and earned a doctorate can call them selves a doctor.
You can become a doctor in any of these fields:
Philosophy
Education
Engineering
Theology
Sacred Theology
Science
Letters
Medicine (MD. Probably what you consider “a real doctor”)
Dental Surgery
Dental Medicine
Ministry
Business Administration
Strategic Leadership
Public Administration
Social Work
Biblical Studies
Practical Theology
Professional Studies
Love
Etc. etc. etc.
There are a wide variety of “doctors” out there.
[/quote]
You missed one so I fixed it[/quote]
Good save!
[quote]Derek542 wrote:
[quote]Smashingweights wrote:
[quote]Gambit_Lost wrote:
-I’ve always thought Chiropractors were “not real doctors”…was I wrong? Is he appropriately labeling himself as “Dr. Smith”?
[/quote]
You’ve been here for 7 years and are just now realizing that the title doctor doesn’t make you a medical doctor?
Anyone who has gone to school and earned a doctorate can call them selves a doctor.
You can become a doctor in any of these fields:
Philosophy
Education
Engineering
Theology
Sacred Theology
Science
Letters
Medicine (MD. Probably what you consider “a real doctor”)
Dental Surgery
Dental Medicine
Ministry
Business Administration
Strategic Leadership
Public Administration
Social Work
Biblical Studies
Practical Theology
Professional Studies
Love
Etc. etc. etc.
There are a wide variety of “doctors” out there.
[/quote]
You missed one so I fixed it[/quote]
[quote]setto222 wrote:
[quote]Smashingweights wrote:
Wow, I wasn’t expecting all this.
I was merely showing the OP in a ball busting manner that the title doctor doesn’t imply medicine since there are “doctors” in all different fields of employment.
So you are a DDS Professor?
Doesn’t that stand gor “Doctor of Dental Surgery”?[/quote]
Not sure how it works in the US but as far as Canada is concerned, a DDS, DMD etc are equivalent and the “surgery” part is the remnant of tradition when some dentists were actually taught surgical procedures.
As an example, medical doctors from McGill receive the degree “MDCM” which means “Doctorem Medicinae et Chirurgiae Magistrum” (doc of medicine and masters in surgery) but this is just tradition. To become a surgeon they still need to go through a residency. [/quote]
Well said.
[quote]super saiyan wrote:
[quote]setto222 wrote:
-At Super Saiyan, in a lot of regions, a Maxilofacial/Oral surgeon will go to medical school before their residency training. Some residency programs require it. It is often a speciality open to both MD and DDS/DMD but calling a graduate of this sort of program a “dentist” is like calling a DO graduate of an MD residency an “osteopath” or an MD an “allopath”. It just doesn’t happen.
[/quote]
It’s also disingenuous for them to call themselves a MD.[/quote]
???
If they went to med school it is disingenuous for them to call themslves MD’s???
[quote]super saiyan wrote:
Oh, and call the Department of Labor too so they can change their definition.
“OMS is listed as a dental specialty in the nationally recognized Occupational Outlook Handbook of the U.S. Department of Labor.”[/quote]
Interesting find! I guess things are different in Canada. I just did a quick search of the reputable oral surg programs and they all require a DDS (or similar degree) and the majority of them are considered joint MD/MSc degrees. So just about all oral surg here are MDs.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]super saiyan wrote:
[quote]setto222 wrote:
-At Super Saiyan, in a lot of regions, a Maxilofacial/Oral surgeon will go to medical school before their residency training. Some residency programs require it. It is often a speciality open to both MD and DDS/DMD but calling a graduate of this sort of program a “dentist” is like calling a DO graduate of an MD residency an “osteopath” or an MD an “allopath”. It just doesn’t happen.
[/quote]
It’s also disingenuous for them to call themselves a MD.[/quote]
???
If they went to med school it is disingenuous for them to call themslves MD’s???[/quote]
Yes, unless you are awarded a MD degree. You could not open a practice tomorrow and advertise yourself as a MD. Correct?
[quote]SteelyD wrote:
[quote]Derek542 wrote:
[quote]Smashingweights wrote:
[quote]Gambit_Lost wrote:
-I’ve always thought Chiropractors were “not real doctors”…was I wrong? Is he appropriately labeling himself as “Dr. Smith”?
[/quote]
You’ve been here for 7 years and are just now realizing that the title doctor doesn’t make you a medical doctor?
Anyone who has gone to school and earned a doctorate can call them selves a doctor.
You can become a doctor in any of these fields:
Philosophy
Education
Engineering
Theology
Sacred Theology
Science
Letters
Medicine (MD. Probably what you consider “a real doctor”)
Dental Surgery
Dental Medicine
Ministry
Business Administration
Strategic Leadership
Public Administration
Social Work
Biblical Studies
Practical Theology
Professional Studies
Love
Etc. etc. etc.
There are a wide variety of “doctors” out there.
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You missed one so I fixed it[/quote]
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I thought they were considered gurus more than doctors?
am i late to the hating on Professor X for being a huge dentist???
[quote]setto222 wrote:
[quote]super saiyan wrote:
Oh, and call the Department of Labor too so they can change their definition.
“OMS is listed as a dental specialty in the nationally recognized Occupational Outlook Handbook of the U.S. Department of Labor.”[/quote]
Interesting find! I guess things are different in Canada. I just did a quick search of the reputable oral surg programs and they all require a DDS (or similar degree) and the majority of them are considered joint MD/MSc degrees. So just about all oral surg here are MDs. [/quote]
It is the same most places in the US also. Especially in the military.
[quote]super saiyan wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]super saiyan wrote:
[quote]setto222 wrote:
-At Super Saiyan, in a lot of regions, a Maxilofacial/Oral surgeon will go to medical school before their residency training. Some residency programs require it. It is often a speciality open to both MD and DDS/DMD but calling a graduate of this sort of program a “dentist” is like calling a DO graduate of an MD residency an “osteopath” or an MD an “allopath”. It just doesn’t happen.
[/quote]
It’s also disingenuous for them to call themselves a MD.[/quote]
???
If they went to med school it is disingenuous for them to call themslves MD’s???[/quote]
Yes, unless you are awarded a MD degree. You could not open a practice tomorrow and advertise yourself as a MD. Correct?[/quote]
I am not an oral surgeon so no. Why are you even worried about what I can do?
[quote]setto222 wrote:
To the OP:
Chiro isn’t regulated as severely as the medical community and therefore a lot of quacks tend to squeeze through. You will RARELY find someone with a PhD or MD/DMD/DO etc refer to a Chiro as “doctor”. I guess it’s something that’s put into our head and a sort of elitist attitude that is taught. Present some solid peer reviewed papers on what is often touted by Chiros and maybe that will warrant some respect.
This goes for certain DOs as well as MDs. Unless it’s evidence based medicine it’s quackery to me! [/quote]
How would you suggest that Chiropractic present itself to the medical community? Most of what we know about Chiropractic is unproven or theorized. The majority of peer reviewed papers are in the form of case studies which are typically dismissed as anecdotal. There are few Chiropractic schools in the US and the research departments don’t have nearly the resources or equipment to observe the proposed mechanisms. Would you ever refer a patient to a Chiro? Would you ever go to one yourself? Have you ever been approached by a Chiro in a professional manner?
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]super saiyan wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]super saiyan wrote:
[quote]setto222 wrote:
-At Super Saiyan, in a lot of regions, a Maxilofacial/Oral surgeon will go to medical school before their residency training. Some residency programs require it. It is often a speciality open to both MD and DDS/DMD but calling a graduate of this sort of program a “dentist” is like calling a DO graduate of an MD residency an “osteopath” or an MD an “allopath”. It just doesn’t happen.
[/quote]
It’s also disingenuous for them to call themselves a MD.[/quote]
???
If they went to med school it is disingenuous for them to call themslves MD’s???[/quote]
Yes, unless you are awarded a MD degree. You could not open a practice tomorrow and advertise yourself as a MD. Correct?[/quote]
I am not an oral surgeon so no. Why are you even worried about what I can do?[/quote]
I’m merely pointing out the truth. (Remember we had this discussion about the difference between being a prick and telling the truth.)
Oral surgeons get sued when they attach MD to their name when in fact they are not.
http://www.kscourts.org/cases-and-opinions/opinions/ctapp/2004/20040917/91403.htm
Did you call the ADA, AMA, and DOL yet?
[quote]Smashingweights wrote:
[quote]SteelyD wrote:
[quote]Derek542 wrote:
[quote]Smashingweights wrote:
[quote]Gambit_Lost wrote:
-I’ve always thought Chiropractors were “not real doctors”…was I wrong? Is he appropriately labeling himself as “Dr. Smith”?
[/quote]
You’ve been here for 7 years and are just now realizing that the title doctor doesn’t make you a medical doctor?
Anyone who has gone to school and earned a doctorate can call them selves a doctor.
You can become a doctor in any of these fields:
Philosophy
Education
Engineering
Theology
Sacred Theology
Science
Letters
Medicine (MD. Probably what you consider “a real doctor”)
Dental Surgery
Dental Medicine
Ministry
Business Administration
Strategic Leadership
Public Administration
Social Work
Biblical Studies
Practical Theology
Professional Studies
Love
Etc. etc. etc.
There are a wide variety of “doctors” out there.
[/quote]
You missed one so I fixed it[/quote]
[/quote]
I thought they were considered gurus more than doctors?[/quote]
No, it’s clear that The Demon is Dr. Love. They call him “Dr. Love”. He’s got the cure you’re thinking of.
[quote]CroatianRage wrote:
[quote]setto222 wrote:
To the OP:
Chiro isn’t regulated as severely as the medical community and therefore a lot of quacks tend to squeeze through. You will RARELY find someone with a PhD or MD/DMD/DO etc refer to a Chiro as “doctor”. I guess it’s something that’s put into our head and a sort of elitist attitude that is taught. Present some solid peer reviewed papers on what is often touted by Chiros and maybe that will warrant some respect.
This goes for certain DOs as well as MDs. Unless it’s evidence based medicine it’s quackery to me! [/quote]
How would you suggest that Chiropractic present itself to the medical community? Most of what we know about Chiropractic is unproven or theorized. The majority of peer reviewed papers are in the form of case studies which are typically dismissed as anecdotal. There are few Chiropractic schools in the US and the research departments don’t have nearly the resources or equipment to observe the proposed mechanisms. Would you ever refer a patient to a Chiro? Would you ever go to one yourself? Have you ever been approached by a Chiro in a professional manner?[/quote]
All very valid points however you can observe the model of “osteopaths” in Quebec. They fought tooth and nail for respect and have only been accepted into the medical community (though barely) after assembling a large body research over time. But they don’t call themselves doctors. Maybe that’s why the medical community takes issue with them!
As for your second points I do believe in a connection between back pain and manual manipulations but that’s the extent of it. So yeah, for back pain I would refer to a chiro, a Canadian Osteo and even a psych.