[quote]angry chicken wrote:
With your “winning personality” you’ve never been fired? DD, you must be the best damn employee EVER! LOL (that was a friendly ball bust, because you are one of the most frustrating individuals I know LOL)[/quote]
As funny as it sounds there is a lot of truth to that. It says something about my value that I’ve never been fired. I know there have been a number of high level people over the years that have wanted to fire me.
[quote]angry chicken wrote:
Beans, you just took MULTIPLE POSTS and MULTIPLE PARAGRAPHS and reduced it to one sentence out of context. [/quote]
This is so utterly ridiculous I don’t even know how to respond.
The entire tone of every single one of your posts is “employee v management” and you’ve outlined, more than once, clearly, that the statement is not out of context.
I haven’t the slightest clue as to what angle you’re trying to play here. I’m not here to win anything. I’m having a conversation that allows me to take a mental break from my current duties.
lol. I’m actually flattered to be put on that list. Even though I disagree with my placement on it, and your assessment of those posters.
nonsense.
Lets remember this little gem for later in my post.
[quote]angry chicken wrote:
So now you’re challenging my work ethic and the way I dress? YOU DON’T KNOW ME, BUDDY…[/quote]
Proverbial “you”. I didn’t think that needed to be explained, but my bad.
Everything you’ve said in this thread says otherwise when it comes to employer/employee relationships.
No. What was that you were saying about “out of context” and “reading carefully”?
In relation to this, please refer up to the part I just mentioned we should remember for later…
[quote]MattyG35 wrote:
[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
[quote]MattyG35 wrote:
Except he hasn’t paid back shit.[/quote]
That’s really irrelevant. [/quote]
He’s paid back ~1/11 in about ten years. At this rate he’ll be dead or the people who are owed will be dead.
So how is it irrelevant?[/quote]
It’s irrelevant regarding what we’re discussing (laws applying to everyone and/or the even application of the law). What you’re talking about is the execution of his judgement, which is irrelevant to this discussion.
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
[quote]angry chicken wrote:
With your “winning personality” you’ve never been fired? DD, you must be the best damn employee EVER! LOL (that was a friendly ball bust, because you are one of the most frustrating individuals I know LOL)[/quote]
As funny as it sounds there is a lot of truth to that. It says something about my value that I’ve never been fired. I know there have been a number of high level people over the years that have wanted to fire me.[/quote]
Oh, I meant it a sort of compliment!
You kids play nice now
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[quote]angry chicken wrote:
Well congratulations, you just joined the list of people (SMH, Bis, SM, DD, etc…) who employ that bullshit strategy instead of arguing substance.
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This is a ludicrous and unfair characterization, as the following selection of my posts – each of which is not more than six months old and not less than entirely substantial – will undoubtedly illustrate:
(Just kidding.)
For the record, with like the race thread, that wasn’t dick swinging. I genuinely was trying to understand how the term race was being defined. I’m also unaware of any time I haven’t argued substance. Once I realized I’d been misled into thinking a satisfactory definition existed, you?ll notice that I shut up.
And for as much as you do things like comment on my personality, you might want to look into the term “projection”. You happen to be one of the most aggressive, know-it-all, insulting, abrasive, set in your position, never acknowledge anything the other side says, guys on here.
I do at least admit my faults and come away with my beliefs changed or modified regularly. I additionally don’t continually harp on the faults of others.
But to be frank, as others have noted, you must also be one hell of an employee too, because with your personality and attitude toward management, I can’t imagine there aren’t plenty of people you work with wanting you fired. Much like beans, I probably would.
And of course I mean that as a compliment.
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
For the record, with like the race thread, that wasn’t dick swinging. I genuinely was trying to understand how the term race was being defined. I’m also unaware of any time I haven’t argued substance. Once I realized I’d been misled into thinking a satisfactory definition existed, you?ll notice that I shut up.
[/quote]After FIVE pages of derailing a perfectly good thread…[quote]
And for as much as you do things like comment on my personality, you might want to look into the term “projection”. You happen to be one of the most aggressive, know-it-all, insulting, abrasive, set in your position, never acknowledge anything the other side says, guys on here.
[/quote]I’ve had my mind changed about several topics by posters who know more than me. But I will admit that I’m an asshole. But I generally don’t throw the first stone. If I think I’m right, I’ll stand by my position. And my comments on your “personality” are just ball busting. I wouldn’t bust your balls if I didn’t like you or respect you. I don’t think I’ve ever said anything horribly offensive to you.[quote]
I do at least admit my faults and come away with my beliefs changed or modified regularly. I additionally don’t continually harp on the faults of others.
But to be frank, as others have noted, you must also be one hell of an employee too, because with your personality and attitude toward management, I can’t imagine there aren’t plenty of people you work with wanting you fired. Much like beans, I probably would.
And of course I mean that as a compliment.
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Again, this is an online forum, not the workplace… I might be an asshole, but I’m not a STUPID asshole. I would never undermine any company that I worked for. That would be illogical - their fortune is inextricably tied to my own. And I’ve owned and managed companies - it isn’t fucking easy and I don’t want to do it again. I’ve worked for great companies and not so great companies. I currently work for a great company. But my “trashing” companies was directed at the companies that I feel fucked me over. Did I NAME any companies? NO. And what venue did I “trash” them? AN ANONYMOUS ONLINE MESSAGE BOARD…
[quote]smh_23 wrote:
[quote]angry chicken wrote:
Well congratulations, you just joined the list of people (SMH, Bis, SM, DD, etc…) who employ that bullshit strategy instead of arguing substance.
[/quote]
This is a ludicrous and unfair characterization, as the following selection of my posts – each of which is not more than six months old and not less than entirely substantial – will undoubtedly illustrate:
(Just kidding.)[/quote]
Look, I’m not saying I don’t “like” you guys, or don’t “respect” you guys. I’m saying I won’t willingly get in an online argument with you guys. You treat PWI like it’s the fucking debate team. And I’m 100% sure you guys are using some kind of “method” or strategy, cuz the threads all end up looking the same at the end - annoying as hell to read. The tactics you guys regularly employ are:
-reducing an argument to a sentence
-after clarification, not acknowledging the clarification
-“I already addressed that pages ago” and ignoring a point
-re framing the argument to suit YOUR argument
-use of strawmen, or accusing the use of strawmen (or ad hominem, or whatever)
-going page after page after page avoiding the point
-just wearing someone down with stubbornness
-cut and pasting out of context
-bringing up prior discussions and submitting it to discredit a current position
-going personal
-lack of respect
-and my favorite from Bis “you’re not qualified to have this discussion” as if an entrance exam was required to post on T-Nation, a bodybuilding website
Like I said, I don’t particularly DISLIKE any one I referenced, but you damn sure wouldn’t argue with anyone like that in person. And I’m not interested in winning by those tactics - I just like to have an honest discussion. A forum of IDEAS where opinions are respected, not where my opinion is attacked because I went to jail 25 years ago (yes, that has happened here) as if that has anything to do with my argument… So when you guys start arguing like that, I don’t join in. Simple.
I could keep going, but you get my point.
I don’t do any of those things(except maybe stubbornness because I believe I’m right about something) and I’ve never mentioned you going to jail. Never noticed anyone else mentioning it either. It is interesting that three of the people you mention are university educated. Perhaps you just have a bit of an inferiority complex about education or something? Just a stab in the dark because I really don’t know what you’re on about.
[quote]angry chicken wrote:
[quote]smh_23 wrote:
[quote]angry chicken wrote:
Well congratulations, you just joined the list of people (SMH, Bis, SM, DD, etc…) who employ that bullshit strategy instead of arguing substance.
[/quote]
This is a ludicrous and unfair characterization, as the following selection of my posts – each of which is not more than six months old and not less than entirely substantial – will undoubtedly illustrate:
(Just kidding.)[/quote]
Look, I’m not saying I don’t “like” you guys, or don’t “respect” you guys…
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My post was a joke – I was pretending to start a big, detail-oriented defense of myself in exactly the manner you’re suggesting I go about things.
I actually think you listed 4 of the 8 or 9 posters around here who really understand that specifics are literally everything – that an argument is its parts in sum, and nothing more – and I think some what you’re talking about has to do with that. You also say we treat PWI like a debate team – well that sounds dorky as shit, but I sort of do, yeah. I come here to figure out which of the things I write/think are strong enough to survive the scrutiny of a group of smart conservatives hostile to them. I am sure I’m wealthier and more professionally successful for it. I can literally trace important moments in my career to arguments I had with SM and Push, and for that I owe them (and everybody else around here) enormous thanks.
But I don’t have any interest in seriously arguing about whether or not your list of grievances is fair or accurate. As I have said before, I think you’re very smart, and I like reading you even when I think what you’re saying is nuts, which is not often anyway.
Edit: Plus, I give myself – and everybody else – a pass every once in a while. Because this isn’t real life and there should be more leeway for experimentation, even of the hostile kind. Sometimes I want to practice my Hitchens/WFB Jr.-style self-assured condescension. Not one of the regular posters around here is someone to whom I would condescend in real life or in earnest. In fact, I am well aware of the ways in which I’d lose miserably to someone like SM, for example, if a real-life debate were to turn to certain entire academic disciplines. Hell, I even gave Doc S. some jabs and barbs despite the obvious fact that he could have annihilated me at any point in any conversation we ever had. As Push said recently, this place is also kind of a locker room.
[quote]SexMachine wrote:
I don’t do any of those things(except maybe stubbornness because I believe I’m right about something) and I’ve never mentioned you going to jail. Never noticed anyone else mentioning it either. It is interesting that three of the people you mention are university educated. Perhaps you just have a bit of an inferiority complex about education or something? Just a stab in the dark because I really don’t know what you’re on about.[/quote]
I just got frustrated with the way Beans addressed my argument. I chimed in talking about Unions and offering another perspective other than “fuck Unions” (being a union member and all I felt my perspective was valid). I think I was pretty clear that TRADE unions were good, provided value and protection against construction workers that were traditionally exploited (which is why unions started in the first place), but that MOST other unions were bad, provided little value and served primarily to protect piece of shit employees. I think I was pretty clear about that.
I then made reference to some NON union companies that I worked for the I felt took advantage of me by not paying me what I was worth. Which never would have happened in a Union. That escalated into him saying he would fire a piece of shit like me if I worked for him, that my attitude probably affects the way I dress and eventually calling me a fucking Marxist… All the while repeating a sentence taken out of context that ALL companies fuck employees. I was pretty clear that I’ve worked for some good companies and some bad companies. So he just wanted to come in here and swing his dick around and blow off steam - which is fine. But I won’t be arguing with him any more, cuz I’m nobody’s punching bag.
I brought up the other people I don’t like to argue with because they use similar tactics. Maybe is it is a “educational” thing, because I’m not college educated and I’m used having more “General” discussions and not getting hammered over trivial shit. Sometimes the trivial shit is important, sometimes it’s not - but it’s frustrating as hell to argue with someone and they ignore PARAGRAPHS, and attack one sentence and hold onto it like a pit bull.
I’ve talked to college people in person and have had heated political discussions and they NEVER do that shit. So why do it here? I guess this whole “internet debate style” (your argument is invalid because you didn’t link to a “credible” source) is not my cup of tea.
lmao at AC saying he would ask CB “outside.”
AC you make such statements extremely often - along the lines of “lucky this isn’t in person”
it is not a good look, aren’t you in your 40s now?
it never appears in jest either - would you really seriously assault someone who called you a Marxist?
and before you accuse me of trolling/“hating” or something - maybe it’s just an observation that you could use to help you in future/your life in general.
Now who’s derailing threads? hah.
Okay ac. I’m from a Union background myself. Actually family background. My mother’s father and his brothers in particular were active unionists who split from the Labor Party in the mid-50’s to form the Labor anti-Communist Party because Labor and all the unions were infested with Communists. It’s the same story today and then there’s the corruption which is why people are naturally hostile to unions today. Personally I’ve never needed a union because of the kind of work I’ve done. And when I did construction / labouring for a while I wouldn’t join because that particular union is actually a Communist union. Again, this is why people are hostile to unions.
The bulk of the working class Irish, Italian and Eastern European Catholic unionists who formed the Anti-Communist Labor Party went on to support Menzies(Australia’s first conservative PM from the Liberal Party) and so are now supporters of the Liberals / Nationals.
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[quote]SexMachine wrote:
Okay ac. I’m from a Union background myself. Actually family background. My mother’s father and his brothers in particular were active unionists who split from the Labor Party in the mid-50’s to form the Labor anti-Communist Party because Labor and all the unions were infested with Communists. It’s the same story today and then there’s the corruption which is why people are naturally hostile to unions today. Personally I’ve never needed a union because of the kind of work I’ve done. And when I did construction / labouring for a while I wouldn’t join because that particular union is actually a Communist union. Again, this is why people are hostile to unions.
The bulk of the working class Irish, Italian and Eastern European Catholic unionists who formed the Anti-Communist Labor Party went on to support Menzies(Australia’s first conservative PM from the Liberal Party) and so are now supporters of the Liberals / Nationals.
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Oh, I am well aware. And the Teamsters unions are fronts for the Mob. But there are a FEW trade unions that serve a purpose. That’s ALL I’m saying.
Yes I agree for sure.
[quote]angry chicken wrote:
That escalated into him saying he would fire a piece of shit like me if I worked for him, that my attitude probably affects the way I dress and eventually calling me a fucking Marxist… All the while repeating a sentence taken out of context that ALL companies fuck employees. I was pretty clear that I’ve worked for some good companies and some bad companies. So he just wanted to come in here and swing his dick around and blow off steam - which is fine. But I won’t be arguing with him any more, cuz I’m nobody’s punching bag.
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Lmao… This paragraph here is you doing everything you’re whining and complaining that I supposedly did.
Priceless.
Honest question: is there anyone else here that thinks I took his own words out of context? If so, I’ll be the first to apologize.
[quote]angry chicken wrote:
Oh, I am well aware. And the Teamsters unions are fronts for the Mob. [/quote]
Oh, Jesus…
I was so on your side AC, until this statement.
I appreciated you defending Unions against the haters, and even your stance on some items outside of the union issue, but for you to admonish persons for making blanket statements that attach a negative light to unions, you then do it yourself?
Bad Chicken…
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
Honest question: is there anyone else here that thinks I took his own words out of context? If so, I’ll be the first to apologize. [/quote]
honest answer - no.
However, you offer cogent arguments filled with overarching factoids that are imbued with a negative tone as if it is only to incite discussion, or to initiate a differing line of thought, presented as if to offer discussion more than to make a hyperbolic point.
I thought that had no place here in PWI…
(sigh)