[quote]Soffa wrote:
umm he is 15 yrs old and by the sounds of it he is lifting heavy weights…correct me if im wrong and mans body dosnt stop growing untill 18 and everyone i have talked said will say not to life heavy weights untill as close to 18 as posible
i mean u can get super fit and super tonned doing mass body weight things and low weights high reps
al lthe suplemments ur talking is prob a waste of time to due to ur bosy having plenty of it in storage…i mean who was eva out of energy at 15?
[quote]Nominal Prospect wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
I didn’t ask my knee surgeon for dietary advice, I asked him to fix my knee. We discussed diet and training because we are both washed up athletes but he didn’t tell me what to do.
The only people I know that do get diet and training suggestions from their doctors are people that do need to make a change. I am nothing special but I am in better shape than 95% of people my age and my doctors have never felt the need to suggest any real changes.
Yeah, you’d have to go to a dietician for nutrition advice.
Pf… i dont see wat u r laugh at instead of being a dick how bout u tell me y u think im wrong?
when u r young ur bones r still growing put a heavy load on that and it “can” affect it not reason to be a dick dude im not saying what im typing is gospel truth im open to any new idears and for someone who knows wat there talking about to offer a comment on this not the one liner retarted comment which i seem to be seeing…
The reason i said this is that in australia you cant enter a gym if you are 16 or under with out supervision. I looked up a few things and it seems to be a some people say yes some people say no topic.
Kid you should really listen to your doctor. He gave you some solid advice and now you mixed it in with 2 pages of people discussing all types of other stuff to confuse you even more.
So he told you to eat bacon and eggs. BY GOLLY GEE BATMAN. I can show you more athletes, and bodybuilders that grew up eating bacon and eggs, than spinach smoothies. So I really don’t see why your questioning that.
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“He told me that it’s not Protein powder or BCAAs in particular, but it could just be those particular brands, but what am I supposed to do”
“Vitamin Shoppe brand BCAAs that I’m taking and the generic brand Protein powder is doing nothing for me.”
My english is obviously f’cked up, I really don’t see how this means don’t take protein powder or BCAA’s. Can someone please explain this to me.
I don’t understand how doing nothing, means it’s bad for your kidneys.
What I see is that damn near every site tells you one brand is better than the other, as well as they are all made from different combinations of base chemicals. The KEY is to find the one thats right for you. If your lifting or working out hard every day and seeing a good result then f’ck it us it.
[quote]Airtruth wrote:
Kid you should really listen to your doctor. He gave you some solid advice and now you mixed it in with 2 pages of people discussing all types of other stuff to confuse you even more.
So he told you to eat bacon and eggs. BY GOLLY GEE BATMAN. I can show you more athletes, and bodybuilders that grew up eating bacon and eggs, than spinach smoothies. So I really don’t see why your questioning that.
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“He told me that it’s not Protein powder or BCAAs in particular, but it could just be those particular brands, but what am I supposed to do”
“Vitamin Shoppe brand BCAAs that I’m taking and the generic brand Protein powder is doing nothing for me.”
My english is obviously f’cked up, I really don’t see how this means don’t take protein powder or BCAA’s. Can someone please explain this to me.
I don’t understand how doing nothing, means it’s bad for your kidneys.
What I see is that damn near every site tells you one brand is better than the other, as well as they are all made from different combinations of base chemicals. The KEY is to find the one thats right for you. If your lifting or working out hard every day and seeing a good result then f’ck it us it.[/quote]
Best post…which means it will be the one he won’t listen to.
How the fuck are doctors being blamed for the words of dieticians? Why are doctors beong called out for telling a kid that supplements aren’t the thing to be focusing in on now and that food is where the focus should be?
[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
Dieticians are not medical doctors. [/quote]
Yeah, no kidding. Medical doctors are not qualified to give nutritional advice and if you ask one of them for it, he or she will most likely tell you to see a dietician.
Dieticians are in the same league as M.D.'s because their field is regulated by the government. As a result, they swallow all of the FDA/AMA/AHA decades old/outdated garbage wholesale. Expect a really informative lecture on the food pyramid for your $70/hr with a dietician.
They will tell you that your diet should be 65% carbohydrates, that animal fats are bad for your heart, and that protein intake over 70g will destroy your kidneys.
3 lies for the price of 1! Compared to free, cutting edge info off the net! What a deal, I better get out my wallet!
[quote]Soffa wrote:
umm he is 15 yrs old and by the sounds of it he is lifting heavy weights…correct me if im wrong and mans body dosnt stop growing untill 18 and everyone i have talked said will say not to life heavy weights untill as close to 18 as posible
i mean u can get super fit and super tonned doing mass body weight things and low weights high reps
al lthe suplemments ur talking is prob a waste of time to due to ur bosy having plenty of it in storage…i mean who was eva out of energy at 15?
plz correct me if im wrong here[/quote]
yes let’s just forget tens of thousands of years of evolution where young people (as low as single digits) were lifting heavy shit all day to help the family
anyone that says the word “tone” should be ignored on a bodybuilding site
[quote]Soffa wrote:
umm he is 15 yrs old and by the sounds of it he is lifting heavy weights…correct me if im wrong and mans body dosnt stop growing untill 18 and everyone i have talked said will say not to life heavy weights untill as close to 18 as posible
i mean u can get super fit and super tonned doing mass body weight things and low weights high reps
al lthe suplemments ur talking is prob a waste of time to due to ur bosy having plenty of it in storage…i mean who was eva out of energy at 15?
plz correct me if im wrong here[/quote]
Actually, if you want to be technical we don’t really stop growing (which is to say maturing) until around 24, give or take a few years depending on the person. That does not mean, however, that strength training is bad for you. Quite the opposite in fact. There are many studies showing how beneficial strength training can be for kids as young as 9. It strengthens bones, joint, and ligament. Plus, let’s face it, in this age of early childhood obesity…anything is better than nothing.
[quote]Soffa wrote:
Pf… i dont see wat u r laugh at instead of being a dick how bout u tell me y u think im wrong?
when u r young ur bones r still growing put a heavy load on that and it “can” affect it not reason to be a dick dude im not saying what im typing is gospel truth im open to any new idears and for someone who knows wat there talking about to offer a comment on this not the one liner retarted comment which i seem to be seeing…
There isnt SINGLE connection between protein absorbation and kidney failure.
At least up to quantities of 4g protein per pound.
The myth started with a test back into the early 80;s wheres a doctor the name i cannot remmber tested protein absorbation on already kidney failured patience.
the hting is that if u already a kidney patient its a chronic disease and even if u drink only water for ur rest of ur life you still gonna end up without kidneys since its a chronic disease wich is unnafected by nutrition.
Or at least nutrition plays a small part even if u already have kidney disease.
now on to the rest of healthy humans bcaa or protein shakes whont hurt u at all. Thing is they whont even do you any good other but spending money but thats your choice.
Also there is no such antigravity - electrogravity and all short of those kind of tests.
Also about the supplement " test " he gave you ,metabolic tests only occur when somehting bugging you and those need blood sample and take few to many days to see the result.
for whats is worth your "doc " isnt a doc or he is just seleling bull$ just as many do nowdays in order to attacract new clients and thats it.
[quote]gone heavy wrote:
Soffa wrote:
umm he is 15 yrs old and by the sounds of it he is lifting heavy weights…correct me if im wrong and mans body dosnt stop growing untill 18 and everyone i have talked said will say not to life heavy weights untill as close to 18 as posible
i mean u can get super fit and super tonned doing mass body weight things and low weights high reps
al lthe suplemments ur talking is prob a waste of time to due to ur bosy having plenty of it in storage…i mean who was eva out of energy at 15?
plz correct me if im wrong here
Actually, if you want to be technical we don’t really stop growing (which is to say maturing) until around 24, give or take a few years depending on the person. That does not mean, however, that strength training is bad for you. Quite the opposite in fact. There are many studies showing how beneficial strength training can be for kids as young as 9. It strengthens bones, joint, and ligament. Plus, let’s face it, in this age of early childhood obesity…anything is better than nothing.[/quote]
Males can and do continue to grow into their mid twenties.
I really don’t know a lot of 25 year olds who look the same as they did at 18. A male reaches his physical prime at 26-28, but this can often be maintained into the 30’s.
I wouldn’t have a teen doing spinal loading exercises, but I would have him doing everything else.
The proof is in the picture. How does he look? If he looks like Lou Ferrigno and he’s saying this that’s one thing. But more than likely he looks like jackie gleason.
You know what they call a medical student that finishes last in Medical school?? Doctor
Anyways young man, lots of water to go along with that protien powder and bcaa’s and you’ll grow a ton. Another bit of advice: buy quality supps,plain and simple.
Best wishes to you in starting your training career
Stop bashing docs. If it wasn’t for doctors, none of you would be here right now. They don’t go through 12+ years of medical education for nothing.
[quote]Artem wrote:
So then, he tested which supplements my body in particular could absorb. To his surprise, he told me that the Creatine was fine, but the Vitamin Shoppe brand BCAAs that I’m taking and the generic brand Protein powder is doing nothing for me.
He then told me that I don’t need any of that and that I can get all of the protein that I need from proper nutrition.
Has anybody had a similar experience? He told me that it’s not Protein powder or BCAAs in particular, but it could just be those particular brands, but what am I supposed to do… buy different supplements until I find one that he approves of?..
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And anyway, the FDA doesn’t monitor what it deems as “nutritional supplements” including protein, creatine, and BCAAs. For all you know, you’re paying for whey protein, and you end up with processed cow shit.
Maybe the good doc was suggesting that the creatine was the genuine thing, but the BCAAS and the protein powder weren’t what they were supposed to be.