I’ve looked through the threads about Carbolin 19 and know why it potentially works (The anabolic/anti-catabolic effect is directly related to the increase in cAMP accumulation in skeletal muscle. This increase in cAMP may alter myogenic differentiation as well as inhibit proteolysis. Though, there are likely many other mechanisms which contribute which have yet to be elucidated.-Cy Willson)
Biotest claims it to work better than anavar. Could anyone give any concrete accounts of their results from their experience with it?
hey allNatural, I’ve been taking Carbolin 19 for about 31 days now at max dose (2 capsules 2 times a day). I’ve been training doing the Waterbury Method and I’ve upped my maintenence calories +500 (3,000-3,500).
I started off weighing 180 and now weigh 184. I have also increased weight and/or reps on all big lifts: deadlift, squat, bench.
Are these results due to Carbolin 19? In all honesty, these would have been the same natural progression of results that I would have obtained whether I had used Carbolin 19 or not.
My abs have softened a bit which is natural when eating a surplus of cals so my gains haven’t been entirely lean. When I started taking Carbolin 19 my appetite did increase but this also coincided with an increase of my overall activity level – I worked as a counselor at an all-sports camp.
In no way am I knocking on Biotest or their supps. But can Carbolin 19 be equally as effective as a steroid? I really think not. It’s a supplement. You can try some Carbolin 19 if you’d like and maybe it’ll work better for you than it worked for me. But it’s not a miracle supp. Nothing replaces a steadfast commitment to training hard and eating a consistent diet.
If anyone else has experience with Carbolin 19 I would like to read about it as well. In all my searches on this product I’ve only seen people respond with very little input. Later
My personal experience with Carbolin 19 has been that it has proved to be the best supplement to work for me thus far. I had my dosage measured in a quantum machine and since the computer measurement of the pill and my system came up with 3 pills as matching me 100% I decided to take 2x 3 as my dose. I also combined it with Methoxy-7 and withing two weeks noticed:
Faster recovery from injury
More explosive power - my main interest
Increase in strenght
Increase in definition
Increase in LBM
Body fat % DECREASE
Increase in stamina
Increase in creativity - that I wasn’t expecting but my brain and creative energy increased the most, great for my work since I’m a perceptual artist.
The most remarkable desired effect for me is the increased lung capacity which I believe was the key to opening the powerhouse that facilitated all the other results. The bronchodialatory effect did the trick for me. It may not be what will trigger results for others but I can only speak for myself. This enhanced breathing capacity unleashed the monster in me, physically, intellectually and creatively. My system as a whole just seems to flow and I experience myself as a river that can carry everyhting with it.
I can’t give you numbers because I don’t measure myself by these. I measure myself by honest look in the mirror and the comments I received from others on my change in body composition. I eat big, train like a wild animal and sleep like a baby.
The Carbolin-19 facilitates all that and allows me to experience a natural flow and WITH the high standards that you put into your trainning you will reap the results accordingly.
[quote]marcomonz wrote:
In no way am I knocking on Biotest or their supps. But can Carbolin 19 be equally as effective as a steroid? I really think not. It’s a supplement. You can try some Carbolin 19 if you’d like and maybe it’ll work better for you than it worked for me. But it’s not a miracle supp. Nothing replaces a steadfast commitment to training hard and eating a consistent diet.
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This is the bottom line. Supps do help performance, recovery, intensity, etc. but your dedication to training and dieting will deliver the results you’re looking for. Good luck!
My personal experience with Carbolin 19 has been that it has proved to be the best supplement to work for me thus far. I had my dosage measured in a quantum machine and since the computer measurement of the pill and my system came up with 3 pills as matching me 100% I decided to take 2x 3 as my dose. I also combined it with Methoxy-7 and withing two weeks noticed:
Faster recovery from injury
More explosive power - my main interest
Increase in strenght
Increase in definition
Increase in LBM
Body fat % DECREASE
Increase in stamina
Increase in creativity - that I wasn’t expecting but my brain and creative energy increased the most, great for my work since I’m a perceptual artist.
The most remarkable desired effect for me is the increased lung capacity which I believe was the key to opening the powerhouse that facilitated all the other results. The bronchodialatory effect did the trick for me. It may not be what will trigger results for others but I can only speak for myself. This enhanced breathing capacity unleashed the monster in me, physically, intellectually and creatively. My system as a whole just seems to flow and I experience myself as a river that can carry everyhting with it.
I can’t give you numbers because I don’t measure myself by these. I measure myself by honest look in the mirror and the comments I received from others on my change in body composition. I eat big, train like a wild animal and sleep like a baby.
The Carbolin 19 facilitates all that and allows me to experience a natural flow and WITH the high standards that you put into your trainning you will reap the results accordingly.[/quote]
Conrgats on the results. But I’m confused. What’s a quantum machine? And you are taking 3 Carbolin 19 pills twice a day?
Sorry, allnatural… I didn’t see appreciable results from Carbolin 19; none that I could have said didn’t come from eating a lot of food. For me, TRIBEX is the thing… but with the new Alpha Male having both tribulus and Carbolin 19, I’ll be having a go at this in the near future.
Alpha those sound like great results, but, yes but, I don’t see how you can attribute all of that to Carbolin 19 considering you took Methoxy-7 with it. Unless you followed the same protocol taking Methoxy-7 alone and Carbolin 19 alone the results won’t be accurate I would think. I’m not trying to be a jerk here.
[quote]pbody03 wrote:
Alpha those sound like great results, but, yes but, I don’t see how you can attribute all of that to Carbolin 19 considering you took Methoxy-7 with it. Unless you followed the same protocol taking Methoxy-7 alone and Carbolin 19 alone the results won’t be accurate I would think. I’m not trying to be a jerk here.[/quote]
Absolutely correct. The synergistic effect was sufficient. I took Carbolin 19 alone the bronchodialatory effects remained effective but the LBM and hardness specially not so much without the Methoxy-7. I didn’t think you were trying to be a jerk, its a logical argument and good point.
Besides I eat my main protein meal at night and I only eat meat, not even veg or drink to wash it down. This way there is more room to bulk up the good protein from real food. That is the only way for me as a female to pack in as much meat as possible without feeling like I’m pregnant with an elephant, ; )
I have used stand alone Carbolin 19 I don’t really know for sure how much it really affected me.
Keep an eye out on the photo’s forum I’m starting a stack soon consisting of :
12weeks of Carbolin 19 stacked with Methoxy-7
While using Tribulus in 2week cycles during the 12weeks to surpus natural T-levels(In theory this should work)
[quote]Alpha F wrote:
pbody03 wrote:
Alpha those sound like great results, but, yes but, I don’t see how you can attribute all of that to Carbolin 19 considering you took Methoxy-7 with it. Unless you followed the same protocol taking Methoxy-7 alone and Carbolin 19 alone the results won’t be accurate I would think. I’m not trying to be a jerk here.
Absolutely correct. The synergistic effect was sufficient. I took Carbolin 19 alone the bronchodialatory effects remained effective but the LBM and hardness specially not so much without the Methoxy-7. I didn’t think you were trying to be a jerk, its a logical argument and good point.
Besides I eat my main protein meal at night and I only eat meat, not even veg or drink to wash it down. This way there is more room to bulk up the good protein from real food. That is the only way for me as a female to pack in as much meat as possible without feeling like I’m pregnant with an elephant, ; )
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Thanks Alpha, have you taken Methoxy-7 on it’s own? Eating meat all by it’s lonseome, brings a tear to my eye :). Course don’t think JB would approve,lol.
Conrgats on the results. But I’m confused. What’s a quantum machine? And you are taking 3 Carbolin 19 pills twice a day?[/quote]
Thanks js.
I am taking the 3 pills twice daily. I did changed protocol to 2 twice daily but didn’t see as many results, as it has been pointed out the Methoxy-7 may have also contributed to it. Although I have to add with Methoxy-7 is more pump and vascularity, more like a style over substance effect compared to Carbolin 19. I haven’t been on it long enough, 7 weeks and so far I will continue to experiment with it.
The quantum machine is a computer generated repertoire to speed up prescribing. My doctor uses in her practice. It is called Quantum Qx Cl diagnostic tool. Here, an Evoked Response Biofeedback System using a computer analyses and 65,000,000 items of date via connecting straps (like lifting straps but out of rubber ) to the client’s body. The whole body is said to be energetically tested and the therapist has no influence on the results. Reactions measured against many frequencies include viruses, foods, bacteria, nutrition, enzymes, hormones, pollution, toxicity, hydration, vitamins, minerals, oxidation, serotonine leves, nervous energy as well as emotional issues.
Basically you are linked to a computer and it runs through your system identifying what is and what not and what is causing it and suggestions for adressing your deficiencies.
You can also put any supplements on a metal slate attached the computer and it gives you a percentage of how well it matches you. I put the two pills and the reading was 63%. I put 3 pills and it read 100%. Maybe it means 3 pills a day is sufficient but I took it to understand it was my best dose to match my body at any given time, but I could be wrong.
[quote]Alpha F wrote:
That is the only way for me as a female to pack in as much meat as possible without feeling like I’m pregnant with an elephant, ; )
[quote]Alpha F wrote:
Here, an Evoked Response Biofeedback System using a computer analyses and 65,000,000 items of date via connecting straps (like lifting straps but out of rubber ) to the client’s body. The whole body is said to be energetically tested and the therapist has no influence on the results. Reactions measured against many frequencies include viruses, foods, bacteria, nutrition, enzymes, hormones, pollution, toxicity, hydration, vitamins, minerals, oxidation, serotonine leves, nervous energy as well as emotional issues.
Basically you are linked to a computer and it runs through your system identifying what is and what not and what is causing it and suggestions for adressing your deficiencies.
You can also put any supplements on a metal slate attached the computer and it gives you a percentage of how well it matches you. I put the two pills and the reading was 63%. I put 3 pills and it read 100%.
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I had a “Summer Case Study” on this stuff going… But my computer F’d me and I lost my before pictures, so I stopped posting. However, my results were as follows
Month 1 - Took the minimum dose
Month 2 - Took 3 caps a day
Weeks 8 - 10 - Took the max dose
In about 10 weeks I ended up gaining about 4 pounds and staying the same bodyfat percentage (according to the method I used. Who knows how accurate it is). I made a concious effort to eat more food than I burned, so the weight gain was due to the food.
My impression of the supplement was that it did do something. My numbers all went up, and I did appear to gain muscle faster than I have in the past. However, even if the drug was responsible for 100% of the results, I wouldnt pay another 150+ dollars for a 3 month max dose cycle. But I’m a cheap bastard.
Thanks Alpha, have you taken Methoxy-7 on it’s own? Eating meat all by it’s lonseome, brings a tear to my eye :). Course don’t think JB would approve,lol. [/quote]
You are welcome!
And you are very funny…it may seem lonesome but I don’t produce anywhere near much of your T levels and to eat meat big I have to do it like a wolf, no extras just as much flesh as I can handle on an empty stomach.
I have taken Methoxy-7 but with the HRX for the three weeks before I ran out. My observations were that Methoxy-7 contributed for better recovery, vascularity and a hard pumped look. It was more look/style than musclepower/substance. Obviously if you look big it stimulates you pshycologically and you train even harder ( which incidently cause me to pull a shoulder muscle from being overambitious with the big weights ).
HRX wasn’t right for me yet since I have no intention in cutting or developing definition untill I teach my muscles to grow and harden concistantly for at least two years.
I personally want my body to have a memory of growing and maintain muscle under duress - that takes time and I need to eat much protein to accomplish this. Methoxy-7 did help with all the meat eating and processing protein so I can harness my power to repair and add muscle more rapidly.
Conrgats on the results. But I’m confused. What’s a quantum machine? And you are taking 3 Carbolin 19 pills twice a day?
Thanks js.
I am taking the 3 pills twice daily. I did changed protocol to 2 twice daily but didn’t see as many results, as it has been pointed out the Methoxy-7 may have also contributed to it. Although I have to add with Methoxy-7 is more pump and vascularity, more like a style over substance effect compared to Carbolin 19. I haven’t been on it long enough, 7 weeks and so far I will continue to experiment with it.
The quantum machine is a computer generated repertoire to speed up prescribing. My doctor uses in her practice. It is called Quantum Qx Cl diagnostic tool. Here, an Evoked Response Biofeedback System using a computer analyses and 65,000,000 items of date via connecting straps (like lifting straps but out of rubber ) to the client’s body. The whole body is said to be energetically tested and the therapist has no influence on the results. Reactions measured against many frequencies include viruses, foods, bacteria, nutrition, enzymes, hormones, pollution, toxicity, hydration, vitamins, minerals, oxidation, serotonine leves, nervous energy as well as emotional issues.
Basically you are linked to a computer and it runs through your system identifying what is and what not and what is causing it and suggestions for adressing your deficiencies.
You can also put any supplements on a metal slate attached the computer and it gives you a percentage of how well it matches you. I put the two pills and the reading was 63%. I put 3 pills and it read 100%. Maybe it means 3 pills a day is sufficient but I took it to understand it was my best dose to match my body at any given time, but I could be wrong.
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Damn. Sound very futuristic. I’m sure 3 pills twice a day is fine.
