[quote]vroom wrote:
Without the American Fighting Man (or woman), Europe would be Germany.
How long, do you figure, should Europe worship at your feet for WWII?
There needs to be a time limit. Perhaps when all the veterans and all the people that remember the soldiers fighting in their land have died?
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There is no time limit on that Vroom. Duh.
However, the deadline for remembering French contributions to the American Revolution has long since passed.
[quote]Dr. Stig wrote:
TrainerinDC wrote:
I personally am sick and tired of europeans criticizing from the sidelines and saying they would do things differently when they lack the testicular fortitude to man up and make a change in the world. Anyone can talk from the sideline, so far its taken an American.
http://www.palacebarracksmemorialgarden.org/Para-Iraq.htm
Tell that to the families of those cowardly Europeans in that link, …just a tiny fraction of all the British troops killed fighting in wars America Started.
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For the record I don’t consider the UK when I say Europe. In my head the UK is its own entity. I have the utmost respect for the UK and their soldiers and citizens.
[quote]TrainerinDC wrote:
For the record I don’t consider the UK when I say Europe. [/quote]
You sound like a Frenchman.
[quote]TrainerinDC wrote:
Okay. Now I see this for what it is. In every conflict, the democrats side with the enemy. You are no different. You side with the enemy and against your own people.
It is not our fault that we used the tools available to make a profitable, sucessful, free, free-thinking society and the “oppressed” did not. They were around long before us, on the same planet with the same rules, they simply did not achieve what we did. That is not our fault. They should have used the energy in their “agression and anger” to improve their own society. They have all the opportunity, and the resources of the oil and the money it pays, they had every opportunity to create a better world for themselves. They chose not to.
As far as creating new terrorists, that will happen. We have no control over that, we can choose to let them kill us, or kill them and create new terrorists. I pick Americans over terrorists.
It is not our responsiblity to supervise the world. We sell weapons to the entire world, the rest require no supervision.
As far as the oil goes, if the need for oil was to dissipate, they would all be broke and starving. The oil is the main product of all those nations. Without an oil demand, they would go bankrupt. Bankruptcy would create a lot more terrorists than bombs.
Finally, the rich are exploiting the poor over there anyway. The rich are our enemy. They make the poor strap up with bombs and blow themselves up. They are denied education, denied the right to think for themselves. By winning the war on terrorism, we will be empowering the people of the Middle East, giving them choices other than poverty or suicide bombs.
harris447 wrote:
So…we (America) did NOTHING to provoke any aggression or anger in the people that attacked the Trade Center?
We didn’t arm these people and then turn our backs on them?
We don’t continue to fund their bullshit because of our addiction to gasoline?
We don’t create another terroroist with every bomb dopped in Iraq?
They just hate our freedom, right?
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“The democrats side with the enemy in every war.”
First of all, how about the second World War? You love talking about that one.
Second: what are you, retarded? I’m an American. I “root” for America. All democrats do.
Except, of course, for the democrats that only exist in the heads of Rush, Hannity and their listeners.
What does “Support the Troops” mean? Is it possible to not support them? Can I support the individual troops if I do not support the mission of said troops? How does one actively support the troops–all I need to do is slap a yellow ribbon magnet on my car and presto, I am now in full support of the troops? Are all we really supporting are the troops on the ground…do we support the other poor schmucks stuck in the offices handing out canteens, or the ones sent to the brig for insubordination, etc.? What about the troops who don’t support their fellow troops? Do we support them, too? Is it immoral for me to not support them? Will their mission be any easier if I send them a care package with some diry mags, booze, and oreo cookies?
In light of all the rhetorical BS going on about supporting the men and women of the armed forced I would like a clear explaination of what “supporting the troops” means. I do not want this answered with rhetoric. I want a solid action that I can do to actually support them…not just show that i support them as all these lazy-ass flag wavers are doing. If you ask me a displaying a yellow ribbon and a flag are pidly actions in comparison to what these men and women are actually doing and putting up with. And lets also be clear on what happens when these individuals come home with missing limbs and fucked-up states of mind. Lets support these people, too. Human beings were not meant to witness the carnage of war. Let us not forget these people when the uniform comes off. Support the veterans of combat. They need it more.
So far the official US casualty count since Friday, May 12, 2006:
Wounded (in combat): 17,774
Killed (in combat): 2,457
This does not account for mental trauma. This is estimated in the 10s of thousands.
[quote]Dr. Stig wrote:
TrainerinDC wrote:
For the record I don’t consider the UK when I say Europe.
You sound like a Frenchman.
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hahahahahaha!
[quote]harris447 wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
harris447 wrote:
…Last time a Democrat was in office, I saw him getting impeached for getting a blowjob.
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Who was this? Clinton was impeached for perjury.
Yeah. He lied. About getting a bowjob.
As opposed to lying to get us into a war.
Much, much worse.
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Clinton also lied (according to your logic) about WMD’s as well. Clinton thought Sadaam had it. So he lied twice as much then.
You libs need to give it up and spend more time praying for our troops that they defeat the terrorists.
[quote]vroom wrote:
Without the American Fighting Man (or woman), Europe would be Germany.
How long, do you figure, should Europe worship at your feet for WWII?[/quote]
Forever and ever!
It fact – Canada should worship us as well.[quote]
There needs to be a time limit. Perhaps when all the veterans and all the people that remember the soldiers fighting in their land have died?
When?
Anyone young enough to be fighting online here is too young to have been in Europe fighting in WWII. It’s not your bravery or heroism that saved the day, I think your bragging rights are expiring.
It’s time to move forward… instead of focusing on how great the US was, howabout you focus on how it sets higher standards and upholds higher principles that the rest of the world would do well to emulate.
Oh, yeah, we’ll have to wait for a different administration.
However, the troops themselves, those in Iraq or Afghanistan, those men I’m happy to heap praise on. They actually deserve it… but don’t think you can magically take credit for past actions indefinitely because of them.[/quote]
[quote]steveo5801 wrote:
vroom wrote:
Without the American Fighting Man (or woman), Europe would be Germany.
How long, do you figure, should Europe worship at your feet for WWII?
Forever and ever!
It fact – Canada should worship us as well.
There needs to be a time limit. Perhaps when all the veterans and all the people that remember the soldiers fighting in their land have died?
When?
Anyone young enough to be fighting online here is too young to have been in Europe fighting in WWII. It’s not your bravery or heroism that saved the day, I think your bragging rights are expiring.
It’s time to move forward… instead of focusing on how great the US was, howabout you focus on how it sets higher standards and upholds higher principles that the rest of the world would do well to emulate.
Oh, yeah, we’ll have to wait for a different administration.
However, the troops themselves, those in Iraq or Afghanistan, those men I’m happy to heap praise on. They actually deserve it… but don’t think you can magically take credit for past actions indefinitely because of them.
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I dunno if someone else has said this, but mate you are a fucking grade 1 nobcheese. I bet you ain’t even religous, you are just trying jack everyone off. Someone should ban you, you aren’t even amusing.
[quote]Dr. Stig wrote:
TrainerinDC wrote:
For the record I don’t consider the UK when I say Europe.
You sound like a Frenchman.
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Frenchman? Now thats an insult. I meant it as a compliment to England. In my eyes, Americans, British, and Austrailian are brothers. All from the same bloodlines and history.
Thanks for responding to a compliment with an insult… At least buy me a warm english beer after =(
[quote]harris447 wrote:
“The democrats side with the enemy in every war.”
First of all, how about the second World War? You love talking about that one.
Second: what are you, retarded? I’m an American. I “root” for America. All democrats do.
Except, of course, for the democrats that only exist in the heads of Rush, Hannity and their listeners.
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In Vietnam, the democrats tied the troops hands. Did not let them fight to the level of an American Soldier.
By your own admission, you support America? How is allowing them in to the country with open arms supporting America? How is caring about the feelings and debating with rhetoric for years while Americans are dying rooting for America?
How is belitting the leader of this nation for the world to hear, supporting America?
[quote]TrainerinDC wrote:
How is belitting the leader of this nation for the world to hear, supporting America? [/quote]
That is not supporting America, that is America, in a nutshell…
Or to put it another way, that is supporting America by being American…
[quote]orion wrote:
That is not supporting America, that is America, in a nutshell…
Or to put it another way, that is supporting America by being American…[/quote]
It is okay to do it in private. However if you have a leadership role or a public position, or are abroad, it is never ok.
[quote]TrainerinDC wrote:
orion wrote:
That is not supporting America, that is America, in a nutshell…
Or to put it another way, that is supporting America by being American…
It is okay to do it in private. However if you have a leadership role or a public position, or are abroad, it is never ok. [/quote]
So critizising the government is ok as long as it is reasonably sure that it will never be heard by a broad public?
No.
That is exactly how this is not supposed to work.
[quote]TrainerinDC wrote:
harris447 wrote:
“The democrats side with the enemy in every war.”
First of all, how about the second World War? You love talking about that one.
Second: what are you, retarded? I’m an American. I “root” for America. All democrats do.
Except, of course, for the democrats that only exist in the heads of Rush, Hannity and their listeners.
In Vietnam, the democrats tied the troops hands. Did not let them fight to the level of an American Soldier.
By your own admission, you support America? How is allowing them in to the country with open arms supporting America? How is caring about the feelings and debating with rhetoric for years while Americans are dying rooting for America?
How is belitting the leader of this nation for the world to hear, supporting America? [/quote]
How is allowing WHO into our country supporting America?
Here’s the bottom line, numbnuts: I would support the troops by bringing them home. I would have supported the troops by not starting a war of choice in the first place.
Belittling the president? He does just fine at that by himself. He’s thoroughly incompetent and dangerous.
[quote]steveo5801 wrote:
It fact – Canada should worship us as well.
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I have about 65000 graves from WWI (the war you arrived three years late for) and 45000 graves from WWII (the war you got bombed into) over here that say otherwise.
First of all, The troops are there to serve the country, not the other way round.
Second. The political decision to put troops in harms way should never be taken lightly and when you do so, you also assume the responsibility to continuously evaluate the mission.
Third. Troops should be provided with a defined task and the full means to perform it.
Fourth. It is by extension every citizen’s responsibility to ensure that 1-3 above are executed diligently and to the best standards possible.
As an ex-soldier, I have nothing but contempt for those at the political level who try to hide behind the soldiers to avoid criticism for their own actions. As having been involved in the decision to put my own countrymen in harms way, I have the greatest respect for those that assume the mission requested of them.
[quote]harris447 wrote:
How is allowing WHO into our country supporting America?
Here’s the bottom line, numbnuts: I would support the troops by bringing them home. I would have supported the troops by not starting a war of choice in the first place.
Belittling the president? He does just fine at that by himself. He’s thoroughly incompetent and dangerous.
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The democrats support the immigration laws that allow the middle easterns in, and support the programs that feed, clothe and medicate them while they are here.
Bringing them home would not support the troops. It would make them have to be sent to that region again in a few years, except that time around they will be armed with nuclear weapons and be more poised to kill off every American in this country.
The president can screw his own image over as much as he see’s fit. But when public figures get on tv, or go to other nations, and run their mouths about our internal stuff, that is wrong. How would you feel if it was done to you?
To Orion. It is american to have the right to complain and speak your mind. It is not American to go to other nations infront of their media and speak out against our nation.
[quote]harris447 wrote:
numbnuts[/quote]
Great word by the way. Instead of an intellectual discussion we have resorted to kindergarten level name calling? Very mature. Thank you for enlightening me to the intelligence level this discussion should performed in order for you to feel comfortable.
[quote]TrainerinDC wrote:
To Orion. It is american to have the right to complain and speak your mind. It is not American to go to other nations infront of their media and speak out against our nation.[/quote]
I can understand that you find that disturbing,I would probably share that feeling though it is probably outdated in the era of world-wide mass media. It really does not matter if someon says something in Brussel or Washington.
Feel free not to vot for someone like that.
However, read the original post, which basically wants everybody to STFU once a “war” has started, which is a horrible idea on so many levels.
I support our Troops, our President and the overall Mission.
Wow… I really suck!