Their solution is, don’t fail him. How? Lower standards or, just give him a passing grade.
He’d be working at Starbucks because no one reads poetry.
If only “just” was a possibility.
This is where you brought me in to defend the Bible.
If you were asking a question, I answered it with my response.
If you were mocking God, you failed miserably based on the Bible.
If you just don’t believe the Bible, my comment that followed this meant nothing to you
I didn’t get involved at this point. The fact that the Bible exists only means that the Bible exists. I have never heard a knowledgeable Christians make the connection that the Bible proves God exists. It presents some evidence, but nothing conclusive.
My thought is the fact that anything exists at all, means a Creator exists, or at least had existed. IMO, that is where the conversation starts.
I get it, and again I see the situation as problematic on the surface. My point is that various talents and abilities can go pretty far in a real world application without a need for academic ability rounding and mutually required success in all to progress. Which is exactly why I’d like to see apprentice style reforms. Identify and develop talents & build them in to strengths vs tying anchors.
Exactly ^
Sure, and this is where faith comes in to play. Most beliefs can’t be “proven” in the scientific sense, including secular beliefs. I think it’s fair to say atheism, agnosticism and whatever else require faith to exist as well, just in the opposite direction. Faith that god doesn’t exist and irrefutable evidence to support that he does won’t be found. So then the question becomes evidence based, at least to a pragmatic mind. And this is where the Bible is often cited, and touted as proof itself. But it sounds like we actually agree it’s just a book.
That depends on who is classifying the Bible. To me it is the written word of God. To many others it is just another book, albeit, very old.
But in either case, the Bible is a book. I agree here.
Right, and so it would have to be inerrant then, right? Or is describing it as words ‘written about God’ more accurate?
Not mocking or trying to trap you in to blaspheming or whatever.
Correct.
Are you about to start another disagreement? Can’t you just let it alone?
The same one, but I’m fine letting sleeping dogmas lay 
It’s because of the idea of equity. All kids should do well in any given subject. And if that doesn’t work out, then they will at least “appear” to all be doing well.
As far as the real world is concerned, it’s the Pareto Principle. The few with genuine competence will work harder to make up for the majority who are inept. And though this would appear to be bullshit to you and me, to them, it’s justice.
You can’t do it, can you?
Your statement is dogmatic. It is the dogma of atheists and other anti-Bible believers.
You stop pushing your dogma and I’ll stop pushing my dogma.
You have to be careful with the use of inerrant. What people seem to not realize is that God can change His mind. So if Jesus says something that seems to contradict the Old Testament, it’s because He is making the point that the Covenant has new terms.
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That is literally stated in Jonah 3:10
“And God saw their works, that they turned from their evil way; and God repented of the evil, that he had said that he would do unto them; and he did it not.”
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Sure, but the quoted verses are objectively errant in the sense they are recounting the same incidences differently, which doesn’t mesh with “the word of” a “perfect” god. It has nothing to do with apologetics around message discrepancies.
And this is the problem. I agree.
However I don’t think reverting to failing a kid who is good at 6 subjects but struggles with one is the answer.
I’m not stuck on the equity bit. I don’t agree with it, but I see the path forward as an entire overhaul described in my previous posts. Not bemoaning current state as less than prior state. That’s useless imo.
Horse feathers. Do you have an actual example of this? I knew a fair number of kids held back a year and it was done on their work as a whole was failing. Never a single subject.
That’s what tiered classes are for. If a kid isn’t good at math, you don’t make him take AP Calc.
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I think you’re referring to grade retention, and there may be regional or state level differences.
In Texas grade retention, or “being held back” is an option through early elementary years, but I don’t k ow the specific cutoff off the top of my head.
Moving in to high school, and I believe even junior high, a credit system is employed. Remedial courses are built in and usually carry enough credits to graduate, but don’t carry as much weight on a transcript. So it’s usually a non issue, from the standpoint of graduation itself. If you can’t pass algebra and move on to calculus or trigonometry, you can take “math in society” and learn how to count change at the McDonalds counter but still get a passing credit, so to this extent you’re right. It’s usually a non-issue to graduate for most who struggle in one class. To the broader reform point, they aren’t set up well for the future when there could be talents under development instead of remediating weaknesses that will still surface as a handicap, and will never be fully remediated but recorded as an “asterisk”.
My little one just started kindergarten a few weeks ago so I’m not sure what is happening in high school now, but when I was a student, in Texas, if you could not pass a core class or its remedial credit substitution you didn’t graduate. You could apply for or “earn” a GED. You had to score at a certain level on standardized testing to pass too, which contained elements of all subjects and even if a kid excelled at one or many but bombed one below threshold there was a write-off, not development of discovered talent.
Absolutely. The credit system. We crossed posts.
As long as you use lower case “god” it is nonsensical to preceed it with the word “perfect.”
So, I agree with your meaningless thought.