Do You Still Believe in the United States?

You mean equality and not equity? I am on board with that.

That’s because they knew that in order to do the job you needed more than a diploma. You actually need to know your stuff. Engineering school is also competitive and selective. At least it was when I was an undergrad and had friends who were trying to get into the program.

According to the powers that be, it will make the kids feel bad about themselves and the kids who are ahead are privileged and need to be slowed down. I’m not joking when I say ambition, desire and work ethic are seen as manifestations of privilege.

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Again, I wish I were joking, but intelligence is seen as a privilege. One reason is, when you’re smarter, people listen to you simply because you are smart as they assume you will say something of value. When you’re not smart, people don’t take you as seriously. And this makes you sad. So everyone gets to contribute even if it will be a waste of time.

And this firmly places “the greater good” behind “no child left behind.” Good luck America. The rot is firmly ahold of America. Equity sits on the throne.

Yes

I can see this too an extent, like if someone is starving it’s going to be hard to focus on learning math when their more concerned with staying alive.

It’s not as competitive to get in ( I looked up my undergraduate program and it’s way easier to get in). But the coursework hasn’t changed and engineering professors are hard asses in general.

Between food stamps, welfare, free lunch as well as breakfast and snacks at school, food pantries, churches, etc., no one should be starving in America unless one’s parent is deliberately abusing him.

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I knew incredibly intelligent poor kids and slacker moron rich kids. It’s about what you’re taught and shown to value. St Louis spends more money per kid than the surrounding areas…all more affluent… and they’re failing miserably. The inner city kids that take their education seriously do just fine.

I’ve been pretty clear.

It’s much easier to link. Depending on what you read, I understand the apologetics defending many of the surface level inconsistencies that are easy to find - especially from Old Testament to new, but I think the linked write-up does a good job discussing objective inconsistencies and tying them in to the erroneous belief of an inerrant Bible: Bible Myth #2: The Bible doesn’t contradict itself

In any case, I would hope that thousands of years of selective culling and editing of accounts and texts would lead to a uniform story, but regarding the original context of my comments none of it validates the supernatural and blind faith aspects.

There is a self-contained and self sustaining answer as believers rely on faith… not sight. Of course.

If you are as sharp as you think you are, express your case in your own words. I don’t read links. I converse with people.

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For what its worth- both me and my son taught ourselves how to read at 3-4 years old, and pretty fluidly at advanced levels by kindergarten.

I’m 52. My son is 12. I think it has more to do with raw brain function than any school practices or policies.

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Home practices and policies carry a lot of weight, too. My kids were allowed to stay up as late as they wanted, even in elementary school - reading. Bedtime was 8-8:30 (depending on age), and you could either read or sleep. We ate out a lot. You could either read while we waited for food, or sit quietly being bored. Reading was just a thing we did. Turning the TV off was a thing we did. Putting TVs and devices in bedrooms was NOT a thing we did.

There were policies. No one had to read, but you know, it’s not that fun to just watch other people do it. Practices like gathering to read another chapter of the book I was doing aloud helped, too.

Of course “bright” matters, too, but it’s not the only thing.

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Yeah, I kinda forgot that. We read to Kiddo every night as per your & P.P.'s recommendation. Wife still does, actually. I think they’re doing the Percy Jackson books at the moment.

My parents were not into that though. They had other things to do.

Sure. The Bible, in more than one instance, contradicts itself. Some of the contradictions are linked as a source to reference should you choose to check. Whether you do or not doesn’t change anything, so your prerogative.

In any case the argument god must exist because the Bible says so, and the Bible is inerrant, is a moot point. It doesn’t disprove god, but it doesn’t prove him either.

Kind of a tangent though. It’s always going to come down to choice of belief. Can the existence of god ever be disproven with absolute certainty? Probably not. Maybe he’s sharing wine with Zeus and the Lochness Monster right now, I can’t say for sure he isn’t :man_shrugging:t3:

@RT_Nomad , my intended tag. Unfortunately the website wouldn’t let me discard a reply I initially began to cyclone engineer.

I have mixed feelings about “dumbing down” our education system. On the surface I think it’s a horrible idea for all the objective arguments already being made.

But in practical application does it really matter? The dumb kids will always be dumb. They’ll just work at McDonalds with a high school diploma earned via fake grades instead of a GED.

And the world will continue to rotate.

And the smart kids will still have avenues to learn, expand and then apply and maybe even teach or mentor.

One positive I see is that a kid won’t be heeled by a tough subject. Maybe Algebra is simply beyond comprehension for a kid. Does it make sense to fail the kid across the board? Or can there be room for meaningful input aside from math? Imagine if Shakespeare were alive today, struggled in algebra or phyics and was passed over as a failure considering.

Conversely I feel like I’m pretty smart guy. I’m a measly bachelor level guy but have a BS from a recognizable university with a double major plus minor that included a significant amount of finance, accounting and statistics.

I don’t use any of them. I outsource to CPAs, lawyers, marketing firms et cetera. Honestly a dumb kid could run my company and pay smart kids to do the work if he just understands process and has balls.

I would like to see reforms in the education system revert back to apprentice style training, maybe in addition to college prep. Let squares fit in square holes and develop them.

I have been defending the KJV Bible on all supposed contradictions for more than two decades. This won’t be my first rodeo with the bozo you are suggesting I read. I have heard most all of them.

So, you cannot have that statement without resistance.

That’s fine. In any case, I find it irrelevant dogma. A book doesn’t prove a god.

It is relevant when you bring it up. Or you are just casting mud against the wall to see what sticks

In this we totally agree

I’ll have to scroll back for accuracy, but from what I recall the genesis of this was a comment about the supernatural and the gist of a reply was that the fact a bible exists means god does too. Specifically the Christian explanation of god, I would assume.

I think you jumped in midway on a comment about inconsistency in the Bible, which does exist, and we wound up here. In any case, my point is that whether or not there are inconsistent accounts in the Bible (there are), it doesn’t matter. It’s just a book. It does nothing to prove or disprove the existence of Christianity’s god.