LOL, sorry to derail but I don’t think I will ever NOT hear this in my head whenever someone mentions “they took our jobs!”
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It is very obvious, to me, what the political strategy is nowadays. Lots of people have bought into the fear and hate, hook line and sinker because it’s easier to blame others, than to look inwards for reasons things aren’t as you’d like. Basic psychology of toxic behavior. For me it is a mentality antithetical to successful patterns in my life, but instead mirrors patterns of failure in my life. Similar to taking the easy road out of laziness, or chasing instant gratification.
I think SM and the ability and normalization of constant comparison to curated versions of reality from peers has a lot to do unhappiness in young people. Comparison is the thief of joy, especially so when what you are comparing to is largely fabricated. And SM algorithms are built to enable and support emotional engagement above all else which exacerbates a pit of negativity.
Of course its harder than ever for someone with no college to get a good job or buy a house. EVERYBODY has at least some college nowadays, so (outside of a few exceptions) you really had to mess up to be in that group as a young person. That said, things are changing, and more and more companies and govts are prioritizing job history and experience over education (as they should) so at the end of the day a smart, hardworking young person will still get ahead, even today.
I have a very boot-strapsy mentality, but I think we should be making those straps easier to grip, while you seem to just be whining about too many people having boots, and the boots not being built like you remember them.
As expected, not a single example to back up what you meant in paragraph 1 as it relates to politics and especially actual policy.
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Chatgpt.
I think it depends on what you mean by “no college”. Plenty of tradesmen are doing pretty good with no college or the debt that comes along with it. Paid apprenticeship and a significant benefits package has its advantages.
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BS…I work for the largest electric utility in the country (35 yrs)
…its all about DEI when it comes to hiring…no skills, very little knowledge and definitely no ambition to work hard
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Considering most places are barely paying enough to get by, I don’t blame most people for that.
Also, it’s really blatantly not true. Workers are done putting up with BS because we see how other countries treat their workers (much better).
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Multiple municipalities and utilities in my area have waived college education as requirements for many of the positions they’ve had trouble filling. And that is a pretty common policy platform lately from both sides of the political aisle. YMMV.
depends on the positions
Engineers, finance, managers, analysts all need degrees
others like QC, warehouse, drivers do not
And those workers are being let go…at least where i am at
I think the wave is cresting/has crested. As degrees became more ubiquitous, more and more jobs started requiring them because why not?. But we are now seeing how useless that requirement can be and so less and less jobs will keep that requirement.
And the dearth of tradespeople over the coming decades is a golden opportunity for those willing to work hard, willing to build a business.
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I mean, I still expect them to do the job, but mandatory overtime for salaried workers without extra pay is BS. Obviously if they aren’t meeting their statement of work that’s a problem. Going above and beyond has yielded little benefit lately.
Are you saying that everybody today has at least attended college, if not actually graduated with a degree? Have you met the average American?
I think the significant benefits package hasn’t spread to all the trades yet, haha. Most guys I know only make it off their wives’ health insurance.
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if they get OT, should they get a minimum 10% bonuses?
where i am salary gets bonuses and
Hourly gets OT
I am saying that it is very common for a younger person to have at least “some college” these days. Much more common than ever before. And especially for younger folks looking to buy a house, or get a good paying job.
And that is likely a big reason why it is harder for people without any college to buy a house in today’s world (i.e. the bar for average is higher now).
FWIW, north of 60% of Americans (any age) have at least " some college".
Having a healthy “fear” of liberal degenerates is logical.
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In general I am not a fan of bonuses that could easily be taken away.
At my place if I work OT I get the equivalent hourly rate for my salary.
The utility I worked (from 1971 thru 2012) started waiving specific college and high school education requirements in the 1980’s for EEO reasons. Only the work specifications could be required. We handled that through entrance testing. But that still was inadequate for the EEO. So, in the late 1990’s we started apprenticeship programs where entrance testing was easier and followed Affirmative Action guidelines.
All this happened when filling the work requirement through hiring was never a problem.
This has been the case since EEO and Affirmative Action “came to town.” Our mechanical maintenance crew was made up of about 30% “can do” and 40% will try and 30% totally entitled leeches after their “promotions.” We solved that problem hiring Navy veterans who were all “can do” workers. We had too many in the maintenance crew, but just the right number of capable to get the job done, and still carry the “no loads.”
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Is that really the relevant statistic? Only 38% of Americans over 25 have a bachelor’s degree or higher. Is “some college” really a credential that carries weight in the job market? I understand that you might learn relevant skills in college, but I don’t think that it really carries weight on a resume unless you have the degree. This is particularly true when dealing with employers that have a degree requirement.
Of course, an associate’s degree is relevant in lots of jobs, but just having some “some college” without a degree feels like a liability if anything since it seems to imply a lack of focus.
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