Do You Hate Muslims?

Off Topic Politics & World Issues
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[quote]anti-sex only if it’s with the same sex. God made man and woman to be together to be one how the hell do you get anti-sex out of that.

anti-science, now you are way off base. Believing in creationism does in no way make you anti science. It may give you a different set of hypothesi to try to support but it doesn’t make you anti science.

but besides that it appears you have no idea what it means to believe in GOD to place your faith in the risen savior.

I have noticed it reiterated a couple of times that it is radicals that cause the problems, it is in any case.

Be it religious or civil liberties or political radicals. Sometimes people need to take care of their own if you catch my drift.

If I am out and I see someone claiming to have a relationship with GOD criticizing or chastizing I will rip into them.

If a muslim were to see a radical muslim setting up a detinator to the c4 strapped to his chest I hope he would assert the same effort.

sorry just busting balls.

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Anti sex is obvious: No masturbating, no sex before marriage, no oral sex even in marriage, and no birth control to allow sex without kids. If someone says sex is ok only under a certain set of very strict circumstances, that’s anti sex.

Anti science is too obvious. Speaking as a scientist, yes, believing in creationism makes you anti-science. You either use the scientific method or you don’t. Doubting a rigorously supported theory like evolution in favor of a theory that says we were all created out of magic ten thousand years ago is anti-science. Sorry.

To answer the origional question: No, I don’t hate muslims. nor christians. I hate Religion used for political purposes, which is what muslim extremists and christian radicals do. In my experience, most muslims don’t do that. Neither do most christians. The ones that do are a pain in the ass on both sides.

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[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
Wreckless wrote:
I don’t hate any group based on religion, race etc.

I do think that there is too much violence done in the name of religion and moderates need to step up and speak out against it much more forcefully.

Did you just agree with me? I feel queasy.[/quote]

Yeah, kinda makes you want to puke, don’t it…Ooooooo, I shouldn’t have eaten that muffin.

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[quote]lixy wrote:
pat36 wrote:
lixy wrote:
Joe D. wrote:
Which version of the Koran did you read?

Is that a joke?

There is only ONE version of the Quran.

Oh yea, well what about the King James version?

Forgive me for not being in the mood for laughs. When a guy asserts that ANY Muslim country is intolerant, it’s very serious business.

Judging from his generalizations, I’d say Joe D. knows nothing about Islam other than what some media want to tell him. So, for the sake of peace, love and understanding, I’ll ask you to refrain from your ambiguous posts that bare little humoristic value (I’m thinking about the clitorectomy one).

Most people are too lazy to do proper research and check claims and sources. I hope you understand.

Thanks.[/quote]

I will not! I’ll say what ever the hell I want.

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[quote]pookie wrote:
pat36 wrote:
lixy wrote:
Joe D. wrote:
Which version of the Koran did you read?

Is that a joke?

There is only ONE version of the Quran.

Oh yea, well what about the King James version?

There’s a King James version of the koran?

Quite the prolific translator, that King James.[/quote]

Hey if you need a translation to fit your needs, none better than King James. Just eliminate some books, clean up the text, suddenly you have convenience in your religion. There used to be 15 commandments, but King James knocked it down to ten (apparently Moses dropped one of the tablets). He sure could knock the 7 pillars of Islam down to about 4 or 5.

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[quote]pat36 wrote:
There used to be 15 commandments, but King James knocked it down to ten.[/quote]

For the record, the last 5 were:

11 Thou shalt not try to shoveth thy religion down other people’s throat.

12 Thou shalt not invoke My name to justify doing evil, nor shall thou torture thy brother.

13 Thou shalt not claim to know thy LORD’s thought nor shall thou claim to speak in My name. Thou knoweth shit, and don’t thou forget it.

14 Thou shalt not visit abominations upon children; but shall not interfere in the doings of consenting adults.

15 Thou shall consider women thy equal in all things; except in the parallel parking of the chariot.

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[quote]pookie wrote:
pat36 wrote:
There used to be 15 commandments, but King James knocked it down to ten.

For the record, the last 5 were:

11 Thou shalt not try to shoveth thy religion down other people’s throat.

12 Thou shalt not invoke My name to justify doing evil, nor shall thou torture thy brother.

13 Thou shalt not claim to know thy LORD’s thought nor shall thou claim to speak in My name. Thou knoweth shit, and don’t thou forget it.

14 Thou shalt not visit abominations upon children; but shall not interfere in the doings of consenting adults.

15 Thou shall consider women thy equal in all things; except in the parallel parking of the chariot.

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Good ones!, too bad he dropped that tablet.

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[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
When I was 11 I fell out of a mango tree and broke my arm. I hate mangos and trees.[/quote]

Did you also injure your head?

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[quote]lurker26 wrote:
Anti sex is obvious: No masturbating, no sex before marriage, no oral sex even in marriage, and no birth control to allow sex without kids. If someone says sex is ok only under a certain set of very strict circumstances, that’s anti sex.[/quote]

I would argue anti means not allowing, sex is a good thing a healthy thing and I firm advocator of plenty of it. But becasue I don’t go after avery peice of tail that offers itself doesn’t mean I am against sex, I have a certain set of values that influence my behavior. I am a christian not some facist slime ball that wants to brainwash society.

Evolution is just as mystic as creationism, both sides can argue “FACTS” to try to justify their arguement. I am a scientist, In fact I am well versed in evolutionary behavioralism. I was the top of my class in all of my science based classes including behavioral neuroscience and I am strong believer in natural selection. I just chose one theory for the start of life.

As I recall they still have not been able to get even a one cell living organism to be produced from the introduction of electricicity into carbon under celestial conditions, which I believe is the premise behind the start of life in the evolutionary arguement.

As far as hating people I don’t really hate anyone. I hate what they do. I do not want to force my beliefs on anyone else. It is what I believe if you agree with it great, if not oh well. Will I share what I believe yes, but only if you really want to hear it.

I am a very passionate person, when it comes to people or ideas I hold close to me. And I will protect them at all costs.

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[quote]apbt55 wrote:
lurker26 wrote:
Anti sex is obvious: No masturbating, no sex before marriage, no oral sex even in marriage, and no birth control to allow sex without kids. If someone says sex is ok only under a certain set of very strict circumstances, that’s anti sex.

I would argue anti means not allowing, sex is a good thing a healthy thing and I firm advocator of plenty of it. But becasue I don’t go after avery peice of tail that offers itself doesn’t mean I am against sex, I have a certain set of values that influence my behavior. I am a christian not some facist slime ball that wants to brainwash society.

Anti science is too obvious. Speaking as a scientist, yes, believing in creationism makes you anti-science. You either use the scientific method or you don’t. Doubting a rigorously supported theory like evolution in favor of a theory that says we were all created out of magic ten thousand years ago is anti-science. Sorry.

Evolution is just as mystic as creationism, both sides can argue “FACTS” to try to justify their arguement. I am a scientist, In fact I am well versed in evolutionary behavioralism. I was the top of my class in all of my science based classes including behavioral neuroscience and I am strong believer in natural selection. I just chose one theory for the start of life.

As I recall they still have not been able to get even a one cell living organism to be produced from the introduction of electricicity into carbon under celestial conditions, which I believe is the premise behind the start of life in the evolutionary arguement.

To answer the origional question: No, I don’t hate muslims. nor christians. I hate Religion used for political purposes, which is what muslim extremists and christian radicals do. In my experience, most muslims don’t do that. Neither do most christians. The ones that do are a pain in the ass on both sides.

As far as hating people I don’t really hate anyone. I hate what they do. I do not want to force my beliefs on anyone else. It is what I believe if you agree with it great, if not oh well. Will I share what I believe yes, but only if you really want to hear it.

I am a very passionate person, when it comes to people or ideas I hold close to me. And I will protect them at all costs.
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I was raised catholic, and yes, they are anti-sex. By and large they don’t think they are, but then these are the same people who believe in creationism, so we can’t expect them to be thinking too clearly.

It’s nice that you’re well versed in evolutionary behavioralism. I’m not. However, I’ve read enough scientific papers and listened to enough stupid undergraduates to see the millions of holes in the arguments against evolution. In short, you don’t get to point to holes in evolutionary theory and say ‘see? It doesn’t work! God must have done it’. again, sorry. If you think this is how science works, then no, you are not a scientist worthy of the name.

I’ll let this be the end of the thread hijack (sorry, by the way). Suffice it to say that by and large faith just doesn’t mix with science. On depends on facts and evidence, the other requires the absence of these things. Both have their place, but creationism as a scientific theory has no merit and should not be argued as such.

To get slightly back onto topic, it’s my opinion that faith also doesn’t mix well with politics. That’s what gets you 9/11s and wars in Iraq and other crazy crap like that.

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[quote]lurker26 wrote:
Anti sex is obvious: No masturbating, no sex before marriage, no oral sex even in marriage, and no birth control to allow sex without kids.
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Not in Islam, buddy" You can do whatever you wish with your wife besides going anal.

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[quote]pat36 wrote:
I will not! I’ll say what ever the hell I want.[/quote]

It’s your right.

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I am Muslim, so no, I don’t hate Muslims.

But as a Muslim, I agree with Zap’s original post on this thread. Moderate Muslims need to take a forceful stand against radical Muslims. Moderate Muslims greatly outnumber fundamentalist Muslims, but their voice is soft and not much is being done about it.

It seems moderate Muslims are taking a ‘to each his own’ approach, and letting radical Muslims live the way they want to without intervening, which is wrong.

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[quote]lixy wrote:
lurker26 wrote:
Anti sex is obvious: No masturbating, no sex before marriage, no oral sex even in marriage, and no birth control to allow sex without kids.

Not in Islam, buddy" You can do whatever you wish with your wife besides going anal.[/quote]

Lixy is right, anal sex is not allowed with your wife.

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[quote]lixy wrote:
lurker26 wrote:
Anti sex is obvious: No masturbating, no sex before marriage, no oral sex even in marriage, and no birth control to allow sex without kids.

Not in Islam, buddy" You can do whatever you wish with your wife besides going anal.[/quote]

Even stone her to death. Just don’t stick in in her pooper!

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My stone her to death comment was uncalled for, but I am just irate from that poor Iraqi woman being stoned to death for marrying outside her faith.

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[quote]lixy wrote:
lurker26 wrote:
Anti sex is obvious: No masturbating, no sex before marriage, no oral sex even in marriage, and no birth control to allow sex without kids.

Not in Islam, buddy" You can do whatever you wish with your wife besides going anal.[/quote]

That’s true pretty much the same for radical fundamentalist Christians also. Sex has to be between a man and a woman in marriage. Everything else (homosexual sex, sex outside of marriage, sodomy, etc) is a sin.

When it comes down to it, these fundamentalists hate life. As for the Christian ones, we already know how they think about the flesh. Everything worldly is fallen and therefore to be despised. Though it may not always be spoken of in such explicit terms, that is pretty much the message.

What’s more these haters of life alienate their collective hate of the lover of life in a God who, according to them, will wreak havoc on the lovers of life in the afterlife. A far cry from the message that Jesus supposedly taught (love everybody), methinks.

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[quote]entheogens wrote:
lixy wrote:
lurker26 wrote:
Anti sex is obvious: No masturbating, no sex before marriage, no oral sex even in marriage, and no birth control to allow sex without kids.

Not in Islam, buddy" You can do whatever you wish with your wife besides going anal.

That’s true pretty much the same for radical fundamentalist Christians also. Sex has to be between a man and a woman in marriage. Everything else (homosexual sex, sex outside of marriage, sodomy, etc) is a sin.

When it comes down to it, these fundamentalists hate life. As for the Christian ones, we already know how they think about the flesh. Everything worldly is fallen and therefore to be despised. Though it may not always be spoken of in such explicit terms, that is pretty much the message.

What’s more these haters of life alienate their collective hate of the lover of life in a God who, according to them, will wreak havoc on the lovers of life in the afterlife. A far cry from the message that Jesus supposedly taught (love everybody), methinks. [/quote]

I think many of the “anti-sex” aspects of religion are just an attempt to control people and eliminate trouble.

Premarital pregnancy, sexually transmitted disease, adultery are generally negative things and can be avoided by following some of these religions guidelines.

Fundamentalists often take these guidelines too far.

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[quote]tmoney1 wrote:
Lixy is right, anal sex is not allowed with your wife.[/quote]

Bummer.

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Sorry, to clarify my earlier comments, the Anti-sex comment was mostly directed towards observations of all strict faiths, my own example being Catholicism (though also with protastantism and islam). As an example, in the catholic faith, oral sex is considered a ‘sin of sodom’ and as such is as sinful as anal sex.

In fact, most of the ‘anti-sodomy’ laws that have been overturned addressed oral sex as well as anal sex. People cherry picking what they want to believe in a religion to support their own agendas is pretty typical in North America.

You usually don’t get the people condemning gay marriage making a big deal about a wife giving her man a blowjob, even though the bible says no to both.

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[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
My stone her to death comment was uncalled for, but I am just irate from that poor Iraqi woman being stoned to death for marrying outside her faith.[/quote]

She didn’t even marry him, she was just in love with him and they killed her, by stoning her. Recording it and taking pictures laughing at her as well. To me these people are below dirt. It is incidences like this that draw world wide disdain for Islam. Here is a short list of what wrong with the current state of Islam:

-Stoning women
-Forcing women to hide themselves as if they should be ashamed. Making them wear that shit on there heads.
-Women cannot speak to men.
-Treating of woman like second class citizens and general abuse of women with no regard for them.
-Calling for the blood of non-muslims.
-Suicide bombings.
-General Acts of terror in various forms.
-Killing in the name of God.
-Brainwashing children to be Holy Warriors.
-Rioting and calling for death every time somebody gets a little offended.
-Forcing people in some countries to follow Islamic law, even if they don’t want to.
-Did I mention that they treat their woman like shit.

Good Lord, I started thinking about it and the list of despicable acts related to the people of Islam can just go on forever. Where in this are we to intemperate that it is a peaceful religion? Please correct me, because for such acts to be committed by this “small minority” is pretty impressive in it’s ambiance through out the world. This “tiny minority” are awfully busy mother fuckers, OR is it really more pervasive then we think.

I cried when I saw that video. Call me a pussy, but it really bothers me that they would stone to death a teenage girl, just because she loved somebody from a different sect.