Do You Believe in God?

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[quote]rsg wrote:
austin_bicep wrote:
I believe in God with all my heart, mind, and soul. Who constitues what a day is?

Unless you live in another world, on earth in present time a day is 24 hours long - it has been for the last 2000 years.

God could have created and destroyed the dinosaurs in a day to him which could be millions of years to us.

Maybe so, maybe not. Why would he allow REALLY REALLY bad people to live? Or to kill 100s of 1000s? Instead of a complicated answer (which i’m sure you have), I’ll give you a simple one:

There is no god.

(Sorry, long day again and I’m in a mood for causing crap). :D[/quote]

I wrote that 1 day for God could be different from 1 human day.

Why are you so ready to prove there is no God? You’re clearly wrong.

My question is for those non beleivers, wouldn’t it be better to believe? what’s to lose, when there is a whole lot to gain.

Let me tell you how i know god exists. All these fucking theories of cell division and big bang don’t add up. For instance how does a single cell evovle into a man and woman species of the same animal at the same time so that it can reproduce. How does it happen for all animals? If God didn’t exist animals would’ve been extinct a very long time ago. How were plants, and food and all the things nesescary for survival laid out at the same time for creatures to live.

It wasn’t coinsidence, it was God. The chicken before the egg theory. An egg can’t survive without it’s mother to look after it and keep it warm, to feed it when it’s young, to protect it. If God didn’t create the chicken first there would be no chickens or anyhthing else for that matter. The bullshit evolution theory regarding apes. If we evovled out of apes why are there still apes? Because we were created by God.

If you weren’t so ignorant you may have realized some of these common sense ideas. I’m not giving complicated answers just common sense. If you can prove these claims I made to be false the I will deny God, but you can’t and that’s how I know God exists.

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[quote]austin_bicep wrote:
rsg wrote:
austin_bicep wrote:
I believe in God with all my heart, mind, and soul. Who constitues what a day is?

Unless you live in another world, on earth in present time a day is 24 hours long - it has been for the last 2000 years.

God could have created and destroyed the dinosaurs in a day to him which could be millions of years to us.

Maybe so, maybe not. Why would he allow REALLY REALLY bad people to live? Or to kill 100s of 1000s? Instead of a complicated answer (which i’m sure you have), I’ll give you a simple one:

There is no god.

(Sorry, long day again and I’m in a mood for causing crap). :smiley:

I wrote that 1 day for God could be different from 1 human day.

Why are you so ready to prove there is no God? You’re clearly wrong.

My question is for those non beleivers, wouldn’t it be better to believe? what’s to lose, when there is a whole lot to gain.

Let me tell you how i know god exists. All these fucking theories of cell division and big bang don’t add up. For instance how does a single cell evovle into a man and woman species of the same animal at the same time so that it can reproduce. How does it happen for all animals? If God didn’t exist animals would’ve been extinct a very long time ago. How were plants, and food and all the things nesescary for survival laid out at the same time for creatures to live.

It wasn’t coinsidence, it was God. The chicken before the egg theory. An egg can’t survive without it’s mother to look after it and keep it warm, to feed it when it’s young, to protect it. If God didn’t create the chicken first there would be no chickens or anyhthing else for that matter. The bullshit evolution theory regarding apes. If we evovled out of apes why are there still apes? Because we were created by God.

If you weren’t so ignorant you may have realized some of these common sense ideas. I’m not giving complicated answers just common sense. If you can prove these claims I made to be false the I will deny God, but you can’t and that’s how I know God exists.[/quote]

wow! this isn’t going to end well.

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Pierolapithecus catalaunicus, the last likely common ancestor of apes and humans

[quote]austin_bicep wrote:
The bullshit evolution theory regarding apes. If we evovled out of apes why are there still apes? Because we were created by God. [/quote]

Well, this is a whole other thread, but technically speaking, no serious evolutionist believes that humans evolved from any species of ape living today.

According to the theory, humans and apes shared a common tree-dwelling primate ancestor, most likely Pierolapithecus catalaunicus, which was alive up to 13 million years ago. The species diverged between 11 and 16 million years ago, with the divergent strains eventually becoming the lesser apes such as gibbons, the great apes such as orang-utans, chimps and gorillas, and the hominid apes such as the australopithicenes, which in turn evolved (again, over millions of years) into us.

Believe in evolution or don’t, it’s your prerogative. But your argument, if I may say so, is a strawape.

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[quote]Varqanir wrote:
strawape.
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definition please cause it’s not coming up on google…

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A sham argument set up to be defeated by the arguer is called a “strawman.”

A strawape is a strawman that hasn’t fully evolved.

Cheers.

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[quote]austin_bicep wrote:
Varqanir wrote:
strawape.

definition please cause it’s not coming up on google…[/quote]

It is a play on words. Strawape = strawman argument

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oh, my bad fellas I’m not so intune to literary elements. Should’ve paid ore attention in English. Shame on me. lol

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Austin, please tell me you’re not older then eighteen.
Either that, or you simply try to make fun of some people here.

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[quote]Schwarzfahrer wrote:
Austin, please tell me you’re not older then eighteen.
Either that, or you simply try to make fun of some people here.
[/quote]

prove me wrong

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I think Austin is going to be paid a call this evening by a few of Pookie’s invisible winged ninja monkeys.

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I hate these threads as much as pookie gets a little canadian stiffy over them.

It boils down to faith. Faith - by it’s very nature is horribly illogical.

How in the world does one enter a logical discussion about an illogical act?

Pookie loves to get the goat of people that think they can logically explain why they believe what they believe. Just face it - there is no scientific basis by which one can prove anything in the Bible, or anything about their faith.

You either believe, or you don’t.

Does God exist? I believe he does.

Did He send Jesus Christ down to earth to live a sinless life and die for our sins, and rise again on the 3rd day? I believe He did.

Did the Holy Spirit come down to live in those that take Jesus Christ as their personal savior? I believe He did.

Do I give a shit about changing someone’s mind? Not at all. I don’t have that power. I don’t think anyone has that power - that negates the power of faith.

So let EE, pookie, and the rest take potshots. I’m not even in their ballpark.I am not about to discuss the whys and wherefores of my faith. I don’t hold it against them that they think I am a fool - but I don’t cast my pearls before swine, either.

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For what came first the chicken or the egg would it not make sense that the egg came first. Through evolution.The domestic chicken is thought to be a direct ancestor of the Red Junglefowl. So it would make sense that the first chicken egg was laid by a bird that was not quite a chicken.

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[quote]xXSeraphimXx wrote:
For what came first the chicken or the egg would it not make sense that the egg came first. Through evolution.The domestic chicken is thought to be a direct ancestor of the Red Junglefowl. So it would make sense that the first chicken egg was laid by a bird that was not quite a chicken.[/quote]

Not the point, where did the first bird come from then?

I think Rainjack sums it up pretty well. I don’t need to argue about this. I have faith and believe in God. I believe Jesus died for my sins so that I can have eternal life and that’s enough for me.

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[quote]austin_bicep wrote:
Not the point, whered the first bird come from then. [/quote]

From an egg laid by an animal that was not quite an archaeopteryx.

Good.

Goodbye.

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An egg laid by something that isn’t even close to being a bird.

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[quote]rainjack wrote:
An egg laid by something that isn’t even close to being a bird.[/quote]

That picture is wrong on every level possible.

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[quote]xXSeraphimXx wrote:
For what came first the chicken or the egg would it not make sense that the egg came first. Through evolution.The domestic chicken is thought to be a direct ancestor of the Red Junglefowl. So it would make sense that the first chicken egg was laid by a bird that was not quite a chicken.[/quote]

The first chicken egg may in fact have been laid by a Tyrannosaurus. Check out the feet. Very similar.

Just saw a show on Discovery Channel on how all of the dinosaur traits are visible in chicken embryos. The DNA triggers are turned off at an early stage so the chickens do not grow long tails or teeth.

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[quote]Gkhan wrote:
xXSeraphimXx wrote:
For what came first the chicken or the egg would it not make sense that the egg came first. Through evolution.The domestic chicken is thought to be a direct ancestor of the Red Junglefowl. So it would make sense that the first chicken egg was laid by a bird that was not quite a chicken.

The first chicken egg may in fact have been laid by a Tyrannosaurus. Check out the feet. Very similar.

Just saw a show on Discovery Channel on how all of the dinosaur traits are visible in chicken embryos. The DNA triggers are turned off at an early stage so the chickens do not grow long tails or teeth.[/quote]

I managed to catch a bit of that. Very wild stuff with the chickens. Who knows, I might get to see a real life Jurassic park before I die. Minus the runaway dinos, I hope.

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[quote]rainjack wrote:

Do I give a shit about changing someone’s mind? Not at all. I don’t have that power. I don’t think anyone has that power - that negates the power of faith.
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That is a contradition. If you believe the Bible, you believe that nonbelievers spend eternity in Hell. And if you believe that, then nothing else in this life really matters other than converting others.

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[quote]austin_bicep wrote:
I wrote that 1 day for God could be different from 1 human day.

Why are you so ready to prove there is no God? You’re clearly wrong.
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Some of us observe, then come to conclusions, and we have observed nothing suggesting there should be a god. Hence, we don’t believe in god. Very simple.

Ah, a primitive Pascal’s wager. How about this… lets say there is a god for the sake of argument. You think he would be fooled by someone hedging their bets like this? Some people don’t believe things based on ‘faith’, so we’re not going to believe. Ever. Because there’s no proof.

It wasn’t laid out at the same time, things are gradual and occur in steps. Sexual reproduction, for example, exists in many single cell life forms. You just need a species to lose asexual reproduction. And things don’t happen suddenly, they happen in gradients. While we look at species now and say this is a species and this is a different species the actual evolution occurs gene by gene nucleotide by nucleotide. Species segregation occurs when two groups that were one species are separated genetically [say, by geographic boundaries] and eventually they become so different that their offspring are not fertile, given enough time there is no offspring. So for example you have a species that takes two directions, some becoming horses others donkeys over time. They can still create offspring [mules] but their genetic data is different enough that the mule is infertile.

Apes has been explained… we didn’t evolve ‘out of them’, but alongside them. They are as equally evolved as we are.

As for chicken and the egg, animals have been laying eggs for a long time. The egg came first, and was brought up by something that was not quite a chicken, for tiny gradients over a million years until chickens occurred.

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If you weren’t so ignorant you may have realized some of these common sense ideas. I’m not giving complicated answers just common sense. If you can prove these claims I made to be false the I will deny God, but you can’t and that’s how I know God exists.[/quote]

I don’t care if you believe in gods or not, but your scientific understanding is very poor. It looks like the information has been presented to you by people with a poor understanding of what’s going on themselves, but trust me, all those quandaries people try to present have some very simple answers.