[quote]austin_bicep wrote:
rsg wrote:
LOL, so much confusion happening on this thread.
How about this:
How many members of the god-squad here do not believe in dinosaurs, and evolution?
You know the funniest one I’ve heard? Dinosaur fossils where put there by god to test our faith. I took about 10 minutes to compose myself after some guy told me this, he couldn’t understand what was so funny.
Orion, pic attached for reference.
I believe in God with all my heart, mind, and soul. Who constitues what a day is? God could have created and destroyed the dinosaurs in a day to him which could be millions of years to us.[/quote]
[quote]austin_bicep wrote:
xXSeraphimXx wrote:
For what came first the chicken or the egg would it not make sense that the egg came first. Through evolution.The domestic chicken is thought to be a direct ancestor of the Red Junglefowl. So it would make sense that the first chicken egg was laid by a bird that was not quite a chicken.
Not the point, where did the first bird come from then?
I think Rainjack sums it up pretty well. I don’t need to argue about this. I have faith and believe in God. I believe Jesus died for my sins so that I can have eternal life and that’s enough for me.[/quote]
Jesus died because a load of big old Romans nailed his ass to a cross and left him to die, he did not wake up one morning and think “I know today I will go out and die for everyones sins” Thats just the spin put on it by his followers after he got his ass owned and nailed to a post
Not just on this thread, and not just about this topic, but increasingly I’ve noticed many people earnestly putting forth the arguments “I don’t understand it, therefore it can’t be true,” and “I can’t explain it, therefore it must be true.”
Do people making these arguments really expect to be taken seriously?
[quote]Varqanir wrote:
Not just on this thread, and not just about this topic, but increasingly I’ve noticed many people earnestly putting forth the arguments “I don’t understand it, therefore it can’t be true,” and “I can’t explain it, therefore it must be true.”
Do people making these arguments really expect to be taken seriously?[/quote]
I hear religious people say exactly the same thing when talking about the scientific facts and theories with regards to the creation of the universe.
Look up a few posts Mr’ 12 inch bicep states how can we come from monkeys if there are still monkeys around, he cannot even understand that, well I guess he could but his blind faith will not allow him to question what he has been taught and actually read and understand it.
Also I do not claim there NOT to be a god because i do not understand it, I think believeing in a god is the easy way out, its a cop out, something goes wrong ‘god did it’ something goes grest ‘thsnk god’
mummy dies ‘she is with god’ etc… etc… The people who are going through life not without god as crutch arethe ones who are wondering if YOU should be taken seriously.
Fair enough dude I wasn’t specifically relating that to you either, but you was refering to people who do not beiliev in god though right?
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No, I wasn’t.
I have no beef with anyone who believes in God, nor do I have a beef with anyone who doesn’t believe in god. What I can’t stand are belligerently ignorant people who cling tenaciously to a position without bothering–indeed refusing–to understand the other side of the argument.
Worse, they use their failure to comprehend the other position as proof of the rightness of their own position.
Our friend with the little biceps is a perfect example of this, and there was another guy on another thread about something completely different that was another perfect example.
In Biceps’ case, He could have just come and said “yes, I believe in God,” and I’d have had no quarrel. Instead, he launched on a tirade against non-believers, which, again, would have been fine, had it been thoughtful and eloquent like Rainjack’s pithy comment.
But instead it was so puerile, badly thought-out, and based on such demonstrably wrong information, that it even embarrassed true believers like Haney and Sloth.
Mark Twain was right. Sometimes it’s best to keep your mouth shut.
[quote]electric_eales wrote:
austin_bicep wrote:
rsg wrote:
LOL, so much confusion happening on this thread.
How about this:
How many members of the god-squad here do not believe in dinosaurs, and evolution?
You know the funniest one I’ve heard? Dinosaur fossils where put there by god to test our faith. I took about 10 minutes to compose myself after some guy told me this, he couldn’t understand what was so funny.
Orion, pic attached for reference.
I believe in God with all my heart, mind, and soul. Who constitues what a day is? God could have created and destroyed the dinosaurs in a day to him which could be millions of years to us.
shit post
even shittier bicep
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What, the fact that you’ve been training for 15 years and look like absolute shit doesn’t bother me and is irrelevant to this convo. I’m 17, am bigger and stronger than you and would not have aproblem proving it.
Eales, you’re probably the most immature adult i’ve ever encountered on T-Nation throwing personal attacks that you wouldn’t have said to my face in fear of getting your ass beat. If you want to continue this ridiculus name calling do it over a PM and spare these people from your retardedness. Most of your and Will to Powers points are based on faith believeing some of the stuff you have said. I beleive what I believe you believe what you believe you’re the minority in this case.
[quote]austin_bicep wrote:
Eales, you’re probably the most immature adult i’ve ever encountered on T-Nation throwing personal attacks that you wouldn’t have said to my face in fear of getting your ass beat. If you want to continue this ridiculus name calling do it over a PM and spare these people from your retardedness. Most of your and Will to Powers points are based on faith believeing some of the stuff you have said. I beleive what I believe you believe what you believe you’re the minority in this case.[/quote]
Ah, appeal to majority.
Argumentum ad populum.
Must you use every fallacy there is? Is there a bet involved?
[quote]electric_eales wrote:
Hey I reckon there was a carpenter called Jesus that lived in the middle east 2000 years ago, I believe he had a bunch of buddies that were all extremely talented story tellers, I also believe that these people got togehter and wrote the majotity of what is the bible.[/quote]
Where is the logic?
If they were making up stories then how come they purposely died for these stories when they could have recanted and lived?
How many times in the past have we ever seen large groups of people die purposely for a lie?
[quote]orion wrote:
austin_bicep wrote:
Eales, you’re probably the most immature adult i’ve ever encountered on T-Nation throwing personal attacks that you wouldn’t have said to my face in fear of getting your ass beat. If you want to continue this ridiculus name calling do it over a PM and spare these people from your retardedness. Most of your and Will to Powers points are based on faith believeing some of the stuff you have said. I beleive what I believe you believe what you believe you’re the minority in this case.
Ah, appeal to majority.
Argumentum ad populum.
Must you use every fallacy there is? Is there a bet involved?
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No there is no bet involved. As I said I believe what I believe and you can believe what you believe I haven’t seen any substantial proof in scientific realm and nobody can sway my beliefs.
[quote]austin_bicep wrote:
Most of your and Will to Powers points are based on faith believeing some of the stuff you have said. I beleive what I believe you believe what you believe you’re the minority in this case.[/quote]
Could you explain what part of my post is based on faith exactly? You are aware the conclusions we come in science are based on observation.
By the way, none of the stuff atheists do believe puts us in the minority. The majority just believe in things we do not.
[quote]austin_bicep wrote:
No there is no bet involved. As I said I believe what I believe and you can believe what you believe I haven’t seen any substantial proof in scientific realm and nobody can sway my beliefs.
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Are you aware of the irony saying that on the internet?
Have you ever been vaccinated?
Taken antibiotics?
Use a car?
All based on the same scientific methods that bring you evolution and the big bang.
[quote]ZEB wrote:
electric_eales wrote:
Hey I reckon there was a carpenter called Jesus that lived in the middle east 2000 years ago, I believe he had a bunch of buddies that were all extremely talented story tellers, I also believe that these people got togehter and wrote the majotity of what is the bible.
Where is the logic?
If they were making up stories then how come they purposely died for these stories when they could have recanted and lived?
How many times in the past have we ever seen large groups of people die purposely for a lie?
Think about it.
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I will say again, nobody died on purpose they were killed by Roman soldiers, if the remaining followers want to put a spin on it and CLAIM they died on purpose for our sins you go ahead and believe that, but I do not think they crawled up that crucifix and nailed themselves to it to die for our sins, and even if they did, what is a few smelly hiipies bleeding to death on a post in the middle of the desert going to achieve? How is that going to aid anyone, what does dying for your sins actually mean?
[quote]austin_bicep wrote:
electric_eales wrote:
austin_bicep wrote:
rsg wrote:
LOL, so much confusion happening on this thread.
How about this:
How many members of the god-squad here do not believe in dinosaurs, and evolution?
You know the funniest one I’ve heard? Dinosaur fossils where put there by god to test our faith. I took about 10 minutes to compose myself after some guy told me this, he couldn’t understand what was so funny.
Orion, pic attached for reference.
I believe in God with all my heart, mind, and soul. Who constitues what a day is? God could have created and destroyed the dinosaurs in a day to him which could be millions of years to us.
shit post
even shittier bicep
What, the fact that you’ve been training for 15 years and look like absolute shit doesn’t bother me and is irrelevant to this convo. I’m 17, am bigger and stronger than you and would not have aproblem proving it.
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Yes I am sorry, I bow to you and your greatness, that pimple on your arm is really scary looking I must admit to that no wonder you are so damn proud of it.
You did not spend much time reading my profile if you did you would have realised that I have trained for one and a half years not 15, I started training 15 years ago and in that time I have managed to put in the effort of only around 1.5 years actual training.
you speak of maturity and then go on to argue who is bigger and who is tougher and who would win in a fight between us, that�??s really not demonstrative of mature behaviour either is it?
[quote]austin_bicep wrote:
My question is for those non beleivers, wouldn’t it be better to believe?[/quote]
No, I’d rather be honest.
Integrity.
Only if you’ve, by chance or - most likely - by birth, managed to pick the right religion.
Imagine how pissed Allah is gonna be - if Islam is right - when you show up after a lifetime of ignoring his will.
No virgins for you.
If you have better theories that explain our universe, you’re free to submit them to various peer-reviewed journals. Most current scientific theories didn’t even exist 100 years ago… science is quite amenable to change.
But if you claim “God did it.” you have to prove God first. Otherwise, Big Bang and Evolution will remain as our best theories.
How can you know, anyway, that God, supposing He does exist, didn’t create the universe via the Big Bang and didn’t create all life on this planet through evolution? Because, let me tell you, Evolution, when you properly understand it, is a lot more wonderful than poofing animals into existence and making people from dirt and ribs.
[quote]haney1 wrote:
Understood. If I remember correctly even the RCC has recanted some of those things. Although Luther really never wanted to leave the RCC he wanted reform for the abuses the church had been committing. IE relics, and free soul�??s from hell if you paid for the new Chapel in Rome.[/quote]
It’s easier for the Catholics to “evolve” the faith (albeit very slowly), as the doctrine of Progressive Revelation allows them to claim that God has made this or that point clearer…
Most other sects tend to split over major changes, with the heretics starting their own church. Witness the hundreds of Protestant sects…
No, it wasn’t. But why doesn’t the Bible contain any knowledge that wasn’t already known at the time of it’s writing? Why, for example, didn’t it contain Pi to 7 decimals? Or the number of planets in our solar system? Or any number of easily verifiable facts that are now known?
The Diet of Worms, in 1527, condemned the doctrine that good works are not necessary for salvation.
The Concil of Trent repeated the condemnation of the Lutheran doctrine that faith alone is enough for salvation.
I’m sorry, but you’re wrong on this point. And it is a major, essential point of the faith, since it concerns salvation of your/their eternal soul.