Do You Believe in Ghosts?

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[quote]MikeKubo wrote:
Vicomte wrote:
FightinIrish26 wrote:
zephead4747 wrote:
I’m not saying that I believe in spirits and whatnot. All I’m saying is that some wierd shit happened when I used an ouija board.

I have heard that they should not be used alone… and I wouldn’t fuck with them. I never have, and never will.

I’m as skeptical as the next guy, but I don’t think I’d be using one by myself, either.

At least not at night, anyway.

These are good ideas. I’m tellin you, some of the scariest shit that ever happened was the time I used that thing, and there was no other way it could’ve been explained. It was super fucked up.
I think there’s too much stuff in general in the world that is unexplainable to dismiss the existence of ghosts and those types of things.

I asked about this earlier and no one responded, but growing up a good lil Catholic boy, I remember seeing a real exorcism on 20/20 when I was a little kid. Has fucked with me to this day. I still can and will not watch ANY type of movies about ‘demonic’ type shit because of it. Funny thing is, I was on a road trip with 3 other guys I was wrestling with about 5 years ago. One of my very good friends and I were the only 2 up on our 9 hour drive back, and we start talking about scary movies of the sort, etc, and he’s like, “Bro, I can’t watch any of that shit. I saw this special on 20/20 when I was little…”

Was the same thing, and to this day he can’t watch anything like that either. In fact, my wife had a copy of the movie ‘Stigmata’ in our house, and he wouldn’t even walk in the door of our house until we put the movie outside because that 20/20 special of like 18 years before had freaked him out so bad. If there’s not even such a thing as ghosts, I don’t know HOW the fuck you’d go about explaining things like demonic possessions, etc.
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I saw that 20/20 special too. It really didn’t fuck with me. But The Exorcism of Emily Rose which came out a few years ago kind of did, because some of the things have happened to me, like waking up at the exact same minute every night for weeks on end, no matter what time I went to bed, sometimes accompanied by the smell of something burning…That’ll fuck with your head.

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I remember hearing an interview with the commander of the UN forces in Rwanda during the genocides talk about how he believed in demons. He described how even though he powerless to do anything to stop the killings he still tried meeting with the leaders of the militias to try to negotiate a halt to the killing. He said looking into the man across the table’s eyes he knew he wasn’t talking to a man but to a demon. He said he almost drew his pistol and shot the bastard between the eyes, but he realized it wouldn’t change anything because the thing sitting across from him had no soul, and another would just take it’s place.

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Thats what I’m sayin man. People can blow that kinda shit to off to ‘seeing what you want to see’, but I don’t recall ever in my life going, 'Jeez, I’d really like to see some fucked up evil shit today. A good demon, maybe a nice skinwalker" etc.

Nor do I need those things to justify to me my belief in my religion, the afterlife, etc. Those are solid things which are already a huge, main part of who I am and in no way need other shit to justify it. I’ve already had all the justification I need, lol (that to this day is the craziest thing that has ever happened to me…perhaps a story for another time).

I’m just sayin, sometimes people blow it off as seeing what you want/hope to see, but for me, it’s much more of a ‘Can’t control it. If it’s there, it’s fucking there’ type situation, lol. Especially in situations like certain places being haunted, but people not being smartened up ahead of time to it and lots of people who have never heard about it, don’t know each other, there at different times, all seeing the same types of shit.

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[quote]MikeKubo wrote:
Thats what I’m sayin man. People can blow that kinda shit to off to ‘seeing what you want to see’, but I don’t recall ever in my life going, 'Jeez, I’d really like to see some fucked up evil shit today. A good demon, maybe a nice skinwalker" etc.

Nor do I need those things to justify to me my belief in my religion, the afterlife, etc. Those are solid things which are already a huge, main part of who I am and in no way need other shit to justify it. I’ve already had all the justification I need, lol (that to this day is the craziest thing that has ever happened to me…perhaps a story for another time).

I’m just sayin, sometimes people blow it off as seeing what you want/hope to see, but for me, it’s much more of a ‘Can’t control it. If it’s there, it’s fucking there’ type situation, lol. Especially in situations like certain places being haunted, but people not being smartened up ahead of time to it and lots of people who have never heard about it, don’t know each other, there at different times, all seeing the same types of shit. [/quote]

Every time something slightly supernatural has happened to me, I always try to approach it with a ‘This is just silly’ attitude. It comes from watching horror movies. I believe that the scary shit is only scary if you let it scare you. If you think the creepy noises or apparitions or whatever are kinda funny, you’re good to go. Would Exorcism have been so chilling if everyone was like, ‘Really Emily. This is getting old. I’m sick of cleaning up the vomit, and the burning smell is starting to make me yak, so cut this out, or no more Christmas!’? Probably not. I also like to think the evil mojo folks would have a sense of humor and appreciate my not being scared of them, at least enough not to eviscerate me or some such.

This also works well when your friends are just fucking with you. Play it cool and you always win.

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If you can go from having no consciousness (ability to think etc) before you are alive to having consciousness at some point after conception, it means that you can go from being nothing to being something. Then when you die, you supposedly go back to being nothing again.

We accept that that going from not existing to having consciousness is possible, and for this reason it doesn’t make sense to rule out the possibility of the presence of some form of afterlife.

I hate the thought of being as ghost that just lingers around though.

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Actually Gonzelez, that’s something i’ve often thought about…well, not often, but at times.

pre conception, where was I? Well, the answer is pretty obvious. I"ll leave the birds & bee discussion to somebody else.

Somehow, supposedly, ‘we’ go from having no existence, to existing, then when we die, do we cease to exhist, since our ‘body’ is no longer suitable, or do we juz fit into a different shell?

Warning, the above doesn’t have much to do with ghosts & spirits. What is this ‘skinwalker’ you guys keep talking about? Im not familiar with that term / creature

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[quote]Egilll wrote:
there is always a logic explanation for those supernatural things,… you just don’t know it yet (or it is too hard to understand/comprehend).

regarding the ouija board and some spirit/ghost stuff, watch the seance episode of Derren Brown:

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Brilliant.

Guys, watch this.

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That’s interesting about the Rwandan leader.

I had a course in organized crime with a professor who had been an FBI agent and worked undercover with various mobs and biker gangs.

He was absolutely convinced (in the born again way) that evil existed in the world, and nothing could be done except to kill it.

I think when you see so much terrible shit, and see what some men are capable of, you couln’t help but think like this.

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[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
That’s interesting about the Rwandan leader.

I had a course in organized crime with a professor who had been an FBI agent and worked undercover with various mobs and biker gangs.

He was absolutely convinced (in the born again way) that evil existed in the world, and nothing could be done except to kill it.

I think when you see so much terrible shit, and see what some men are capable of, you couln’t help but think like this. [/quote]

The mind is a powerful thing.

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IMHO ouija boards are harmless. I believe that using one can possibly allow you to communicate with some entities, but that in no way leads to possession or hauntings or whatever. As i said, spiritual presences are everywhere, we are immersed in a sea of spirits - some can ‘feel’ us, some ‘cannot’ etc, many don;t even know they’re not still ‘living’.

Possession is possible, but the presences that cause presences operate at a level where they are not interested in communicating with the living, or even NEED an ouija board to do that. Theoretically a game of scrabble can allow a spiritual presence (with kinsis abilities - again not studied) to communicate with you if the friction between the pieces and the board is insufficient.

THE BEST INDICATOR of a spirit becoming aware of you is (drum roll)…

A sudden (and I mean SUDDEN) DROP in temperature around you. and this again doesn’t mean possession is inevitable, trust me.

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I’ll make this quick.

You never “lose” your consciousness. You had it before you were "born’ and you will have it after you “die”. If your mind lingers on in the “world” of the “living”, then you will continue to have a spiritual presence in this “world”.

if you want to get deeper in this shit, first watch 'what dreams may come" to get an introduction to eastern thought (what has been logically determined as well as observed to correlate well with what is perceived on a spiritual level) or send me a PM.

[quote]Regular Gonzalez wrote:
If you can go from having no consciousness (ability to think etc) before you are alive to having consciousness at some point after conception, it means that you can go from being nothing to being something. Then when you die, you supposedly go back to being nothing again.

We accept that that going from not existing to having consciousness is possible, and for this reason it doesn’t make sense to rule out the possibility of the presence of some form of afterlife.

I hate the thought of being as ghost that just lingers around though.
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Ok I’ll take this thread seriously. I’ve read it all and it is really interesting.

Get ready for a long rant.

I don’t know if I believe in ghosts. I don’t want to. I just don’t like the idea that there is something out there more powerful than me that I can’t control and can possess me and just fuck around with me. My mother has told me very strange stories of a house she stayed in once alone, that she was sure was haunted. I just hope to god that I never encounter something from the spirit world (although I am positive I have in my dreams*).

I also believe in monsters/spirits (not sure exactly what) that inhabit wildernesses and forests. You hear it all the time in folk stories, all through humanity’s history. everyone has their own versions. Werewolves, american indians have wendigos, wood spirits, celts had their dryads, - heck theres even bigfoot - and the settlers in america apparently had stories of nasty supernatural shit going on in the forests when they arrived. There is something just frightening about a dark, quiet forest in the middle of the night. And I am not talking about grizzly bears popping out of nowhere. I honestly believe that woodlands that are truly uninhabited and on teh very outskirts of man’s reach have something dangerous there other than foxes or bears. The legends can’t have just come out of nothing. There is shit in asia too I just can’t remember now what.

I personally am absoultely terrified of mirrrors. I read that they are believed to be gateways for daemons to enter our plane through the imateurium… but they need a host, which is where the whole “don’t go into your bathroom and stare in the mirror” thing comes from.

When I am afraid, though, the best thing I can do to make the whole situation absolutely ridiculous and not frightening at all is sing a stupid song. Seriously, go watch The Exorcist with Rickroll playing in the background, and tell me if it’s still scary.

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Oh, I also believe that maliscious spirits/daemons are attracted to negative emotions. They will feed off of your fear. The best thing I think there is to combat them in any way is to simply have absolutely no fear. Laugh in the face of horror.

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Here are some good Ghost Hunters clips:

http://video.google.com/videosearch?q=ghost+hunters&hl=en&emb=0&aq=0&oq=ghost+h#

http://video.google.com/videosearch?q=ghost+hunters+flashlight&hl=en&emb=0&aq=1&oq=ghost+hunters+fl#q=ghost%20hunters%20flashlight&hl=en&emb=0&aq=1&oq=ghost%20hunters%20fl&start=10

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[quote]Der Candy wrote:
I personally am absoultely terrified of mirrrors. I read that they are believed to be gateways for daemons to enter our plane through the imateurium… but they need a host, which is where the whole “don’t go into your bathroom and stare in the mirror” thing comes from.

When I am afraid, though, the best thing I can do to make the whole situation absolutely ridiculous and not frightening at all is sing a stupid song. Seriously, go watch The Exorcist with Rickroll playing in the background, and tell me if it’s still scary.
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When I thought that my friend had a ghost at his house when I stayed over, it was literally the most terrifying night of my life.

It’s something about the dark, but these things are all myths as far as I’m concerned. No where is there any concrete footage of anything supernatural - at least not that I’ve seen. James Randi does a great job of exposing all these frauds.

I remember some TV show with Chris Angel where one of his contestants claimed to be contacting the dead. Chris got upset, called him a liar and pulled an envelope out of his pocket. He then challenged the person to tell him what was in the envelope and if he could he would give him $1million. He couldn’t.

What pissed him off is that this guy was claiming supernatural powers, when it’s all just illusions.

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Quoting Henrik Ibsen from his play “Ghosts”,

“I almost think we�??re all of us Ghosts, Pastor Manders. It�??s not only what we have inherited from our father and mother that �??walks�?? in us. It�??s all sorts of dead ideas, and lifeless old beliefs, and so forth. They have no vitality, but they cling to us all the same, and we can�??t get rid of them. Whenever I take up a newspaper, I seem to see Ghosts gliding between the lines. There must be Ghosts all the country over, as thick as the sand of the sea. And then we are, one and all, so pitifully afraid of the light.”

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That quote is awesome. That’s ‘Powerful Words’ shit right there.

Nonetheless, I still believe in all this stuff. I’ve seen/heard too many things, and again, the more you read down through history about it the more you learn. And people will say, “Well, those were uneducated people in an uneducated time”

Sure, I suppose they were and you now have your scientific theories and beliefs to debunk a lot. However, to me, it is like the 6’2". 130 lbs guy who reads all he can on these forums and starts these super advanced, weird ass, overly complicated TBT programs because science says it is the right thing to do. 5 years later, that guy is 136 lbs.

Some ‘uneducated, unscientific’ meathead who gets in there and does a bodypart split defying all laws of science manages to somehow gain 100 lbs in those 5 years and winds up jacked. Just because there is logic there or you can scientifically explain something, it doesn’t make it right.

End point- Sometimes the more ‘educated’ we become, the fucking stupider we get.

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I believe everything.
Ghosts & Hauntings
Bigfoot
Loch Ness Monster
Champ (Lake Champlaine monster)
Chessie (Chesapeake Bay monster)
OK, most all lakes mosters…
Giant Squids
Chupacabra
UFO’s
Alien Abductions
Bermuda Triangle
Psychics
Dowsing

Don’t believe in:
Crop Circles
Werewolves
Vampires
Zombies

edit to add - skinwalker stories are freaky. Add them to the list…

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The videos by Derren Brown that someone posted here are freaky.

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[quote]Der Candy wrote:
The videos by Derren Brown that someone posted here are freaky.[/quote]

Did you watch them all? They are there to prove a point, that it’s all in your head.