I kind of agree. I’m interested in hearing from some people with opposing viewpoints, on some subjects. For example, I’m interested in your opinions on modern dating, but I’ve kind of heard them now. Likewise, I’ve asked a few posters whose opinions I respect about their views on gun control or Brexit, because they run completely counter to mine and I’d like to understand why they are wrong (joking). Maybe I’m just not as open-minded as i like to think.
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So have we figured out if women care how much a guy lifts yet?
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The term comes from a movie made in the mid 40s.
So how old are you, actually? ha
Old enough I don’t hold no truck with these new “talkie” thingamigigs
I’m going to take an informal survey of women I run into regularly that aren’t carrying mace or guns.
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What a thread! looooolz.
First things first, gotta address the original question: some women do, most do not. I have had A LOT of first dates with women who were pleasantly surprised after meeting me in person, as they assumed negative things about my personality from my physical appearance. Meaning, my appearance gave off the impression that I would be a ‘bad’ date. And I’m not. In the context of a relationship once they’ve begun, I’ve generally found my body to be a positive thing, but even then not always. At the end of the day though, most women truly won’t give a shit about your physique or strength. It’s just so low on the list of important qualities to have. A sense of humor, kindness, and intelligence, as examples, will almost always rank far above physical strength for a woman.
Now for the woke dating thing: @unreal24278 , knowing you, you are a person who will need to find a VERY specific person to be compatible with, and there will be a whole lot of ‘duds’ in the dating world for you. You know I like you, but I have to assume that your personality just doesn’t mesh well with a whole lot of women in a dating sense, for a lot of reasons. I can imagine that would make dating difficult. But I don’t think this has anything to do with ‘wokeness’. You come across as someone who would have trouble dating in any generation. I hope this doesn’t come across as offensive, we’ve known each other long enough that I trust you won’t take it that way.
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Its a shocker isn’t it!
Not offended 
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Bloody brexit!
I had an avenue to UK citizenship, could’ve given me EU citizenship…
Now UK citizenship is just UK citizenship
Not at all
An example of horrifically internalised trauma mediating a bad outcome would be the “abused becomes the abuser” paradigm.
I am keeping further talk on dating, not on a general social scene. @unreal24278
Obviously if you want nothing to do with any woman who utters a pro-woke word, you don’t have to. But you are missing something I believe. And that is that, for lack of better words, many people are full of crap! Likely hardly any of these people are actual woke idealists or revolutionaries! They are incidentally woke and following a trend and herd for social proof.
I think you buy into this stuff too much.
Any guy who knows the real deal understands that if a certain guy came along, perhaps wealthy, connected, well-resourced, strong willed, and/or handsome, and touched, figuratively and literally, one of these incidentally woke women, that their wokeism would go bye bye. In fact I know several men who would have some woman’s political ideology go bye bye.
As much as I dislike the concepts of “game” or “frame” this is actually where they might apply.
I don’t think too many woke women is the root problem for our young friend either, but some rather crazy ideas have become very popular among the woke, and the woke are rather numerous these days.
I’m an atheist conservative, so the parallels to wacky religious beliefs really stand out to me. My woke sister in law has a lot of the same sort of “line-in-the-sand” beliefs that my fundamentalist Christian cousins do. You’re either on the same page as they are, or you’re an instrument of evil and/or complicit in perpetuating hateful and oppressive power structures.
In both cases you are dealing with people who have very, very strong beliefs in spite of no real evidence to back them up. In both cases you’re likely to rustle up strong emotions if you dare to disagree. This is a problem for me, but I find it easy to politely move on if a date doesn’t go well.
I had a date with a lovely, intelligent and accomplished gal last year. I can date democrats and have. Hell, my kid’s mom and I both voted Obama first term. On this particular date the woke ideology really shone through in some ugly ways. She had a lot of assumptions about about men I personally knew that were entirely false and interpreted so much of life through the woke lens of assuming the worst motivations about men, and white men in particular. She even took deep offense when I suggested that fathers are just as important as mothers for ensuring a child’s well-being.
In spite of that I guess she saw me as different somehow, maybe because I’m friends with some of the wokest people around and one of the queerest queers in the tri-state area. But I’m not different from the guys she shit all over. They’re good dudes that she chose to assume ugly things about and those assumptions seemed borne out of racist woke ideology.
Most irritating for me was the incessant need to steer the conversation back towards her cultish woke politics. This is quite similar to what I see in my fundamentalist Christian cousins when they corner you with an obscure Bible verse at a funeral and demand your thoughts on said verse.
In real simple terms, I can’t date someone who can’t respect differences of opinion and maintain the assumption of good faith. There just so happens to be a lot more of that behavior manifesting through woke politics in our society right now, from what I’ve observed.
That’s okay, there’s plenty of women who don’t see the world that way.
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It irritates me when people aren’t genuine. Being woke to increase your “social rep” from my perspective comes across as being insidiously obnoxious.
It does bother me, perhaps too much. Not due to the wokism itself, but due to the way this crowd actively shuts down opposing opinions through ad hominem attacks, gaslighting and imparting a “mob mentality”.
The same can be said for much of the far right (the type fuelled by hate), but far right politics aren’t as common amongst the young.
Do you not get that this is simply what many young people do or older people have done? Do you actually think I latch onto the same ridiculous aggression, rage, and anti-social, self-loathing, angst-laden ideas that are so prevalent in New York Hardcore, punk, and death metal?
If I go down memory lane on You Tube and watch old videos I almost burst into laughter.
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Not just in dating… day to day life too
I’ve had to come out and defend America numerous times. America isn’t my favourite country, though if I had to choose to live somewhere it ranks as top 10
The arguments I typically have to defend against are
“America is an imperialist, systemically racist, sexist hell-hole filled to the brim with white supremacy”
“America is a prime example as to why capital doesn’t work”
“Americans have guns, I know about behavioural science and when humans have guns they shoot each other”
For the latter argument I came up with an example
"If an intruder breaks into your home and lunges at you with a knife, should you not have the ability to shoot this intruder’’
“No, you should go to jail for that. The force applied is excessive”
How disconnected from reality can you possibly be? Does America have a gun problem? Certainly… but a large portion of this appears to be cultural. I’m not opposed to tightening certain laws, but gun control in the manner implemented by Australia? Fuck no…
Look to Austria… legal ownership is accepted without a permit (depending on firearm)… they have an equitable firearm homicide rate to that of Aus. Firearm suicide rate is 2x higher, but overall all cause suicide rate is the same.
If it’s the guns and only the guns shouldn’t Austria be a war zone?
To which I made this analogy and they said “no it isn’t… that’s not true. Austria doesn’t allow that”.
They refused to believe it AFTER I pulled up proof backing up my point. Disconnected… from reality…
Apparently if someone lunges at me with a knife I should let them stab me over and over again in the name of social justice and equity. Or I should perhaps have my own knife and we both succumb to dozens of stab wounds.
I say this as a firearms enthusiast who has taken more than a couple of gals out on shooting range dates.
Don’t get into a discussion about guns on the first date unless she brings it up. And even then, find something besides guns to talk about. Definitely not politics. That’s all stuff for way down the road.
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This wasn’t on a date… this was worse
Twas at a family gathering… with family members I’d never met before…
I dropped the topic after I brought up Austria.
I wasn’t the one who brought it up either. But I felt the need to chime in when they were ripping on America for being so terrible because America has guns… there are a handful of countries in the EU that allow for permitless firearm acquisition.
That and I can’t stand the manner by which woke idealists paint America as if it were some dystopian, post apocalyptic wasteland
I met one (actually I’m friends with her and have been for years) young (muslim) woman who was pro communist and wanted to live in… wait for it… Syria…
Beacon of freedom that country is. Apparently Assad isn’t actually gassing anyone, it’s all mainstream propaganda…
Well if it’s family you can just smile and nod. If you let them think you agree with them they are liable to keep telling you their wacky opinions.
I do smile and nod
It’s not worth driving conflict as these are very nice people. It’s the small, non Jewish side of my family that I seldom get to see.
However every now and then I can’t help myself and I feel the need to interject.
It’s an interesting, stark contrast to that of my modern orthodox family. These folks are for the most part far more accepting than the vast majority of my modern orthodox family.
However I’m not sure what the point was wherein acceptance managed to become intertwined with wokism. Granted there is one young woman who is particularly woke, and everyone likes to poke fun about it because we all consider some of her beliefs to be “far out there”.
I hear you, but maybe next time you should steer the family conversation to how much weight you can lift.
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Brah before my hernia op my deadlift was pretty fat
Afterwards it’s ehhh… did 195kg the other day (weigh around 165 atm). However I’m sick at the moment… I kept going to gym initially (when I felt I was coming down with something) but noticed my bench and OHP numbers were going down. Kept going because covid rapid antigen test was negative. I don’t have covid, likely to be influenza.
Now I’m not really getting out of bed. I worry as to how much my lifts will go down as I’ve been out for almost a week now
Also managed to be unlucky enough to contract a case of food poisoning two weeks ago that was so bad I lost ten pounds… put five of those 10lbs back on, but I was reeeaaallllly sick.