Do you know how many men I know who have flagrantly said, “I call the shots! And “I make the important decisions,” and also the amount of women who want a man as head of the household?!
Personally my wife and I are very diplomatic and think things through together.
Not really sure how to respond here
There are women who like this dynamic and women who don’t. If a woman wants to be with a man like this, that’s not subordination
I have no opinion one way or the other on the dynamic you’ve specified. I’ve seen it work and I’ve seen it fail…
Subordination means you are ranked as being lesser… inferior even.
Furthermore, where do you think this alpha-male mumbo jumbo came from? Many women want men superior to them. Where do you think the turn-on of a powerful
or even a scary man comes from?
Do you know how many women are actually turned on or become attached to men who tell them what to wear, what the plans are, where they’re going?
There are even posters here who have offered TMI about their romps in sexual sadism. Who do you think is in charge of those relationships despite us living in the West?
In a certain context yes. Less powerful, less earning, less intelligent, less talented. By definition inferior, not by emotion. Women often seek men superior in those areas.
Sexual sadism is fantasy. If someone likes BDSM/dominination this doesn’t necessarily infer this is how they’d like to be treated on a day to day basis.
I need context here to avoid reaching extremes. Possessive, controlling relationships don’t eventuate happy partners. The “you can’t hang out with your girlfriends at any point in time without me knowing exactly where you are”. That’s abusive relationship material.
Are you saying women on average are less intelligent than men? I can link about twenty studies disproving the “gender IQ gap”… the less talented thing (imo) has no basis in fact either. Rather it depends what area of talent we look at.
Obviously men are going to be better boxers, wrestlers and football players…
However I’d agree, women tend to (try) scale up. As do men initially. Men/women from a primitive standpoint will selectively try to mate with the most attractive partners they can find.
Attractiveness for a male = ability to provide, charisma, personality, profession, looks and more.
I just told you many women seek men superior to themselves.
I also can’t discuss IQ on here at all in any context Without political correctness, so I wouldn’t get into that.
I’m out of here for now. I can’t do this many directions for now.
That’s fine, however you can’t entirely shift the blame unto me this time
As we conversed (enjoyable conversation on my part btw), the topic naturally shifted as we came to agree or disagree on numerous variables.
However you brought up subordination as an analogy for my extremes and provided an example of “mild subordination”
I countered back and said “this is not the definition of subordination”
To which you vaguely agreed with the concept of female subordination
To which I wholeheartedly disagree. Inferior would specify its better to be male than it is to be female… as if theres a “better sex” and one sex should exist to serve and gratify the other.
If women were inferior… how come they get to choose who they mate with? If men were the “superior sex” they’d be doing the choosing… and no, men can’t necesarrily choose by force… guns exist, as do knives, rolling pins, hammers… blunt objects. Wrestling a knife off of someone is harder than most think, even if the person is a woman half your size.
I think there are variables both men and women independently excel or lack success with.
However I found your analogies IQ, talent etc to be disturbing, so I pressed further. You responded “not lack of intellect per se, but rather women tend to scale up”.
To which you then said you didn’t want to have a conversation about IQ, not that we were going to discuss IQ. I just wanted to point out the gender IQ gap theory has been widely disproven.
I think you know I don’t care about political correctness, I’m assuming that comment refers to the general community? Political correctness has been abused to stifle all opposing bodies of thought regardless of validity. Feelings matter more than facts…
There is no blame. I simply run out of steam.
I did not sat there’s a better sex. Rather I said many women seek men who are superior to them personally!
I didn’t even go into this in the context you speak of.
Your misconstruing of my statements is starting to become unsettling to me. So I’m backing off.
I also did not say I am some sort of advocate for subordination. I mentioned it in a historical context in the “women in power” thread and then you veered off into the most extreme form of it, even though it was practiced all over the world, including the West. Now we have here you staring I have some disturbing condoning of it, and when I haven’t expressed much of a stance at all.
One might read these statements and conclude I’m some macho, tyrannical weirdo when I might be anything but that!
So these topics are now unsafe to discuss at all here. I have concluded that I should only post on the most mild subjects or training because of this.
Eh, I wouldn’t worry about it. I think you come through pretty clearly, and I don’t get the sense that you’re advocating for much of anything at all, just saying what you think is either normal or ideal, which you clearly delineate. I may not agree with you, but you’re not unclear.
And let’s face it, I’m probably the closest thing to the PC Police we have here.
I tend to think you’re naive and idealistic, not a woman-hating monster. I’m inclined to think that I’m also idealistic, but in my view much more practical than you are.
Apologies
I also found it odd because I thought your statements were super out of character.
Take a look at it from my perspective
I said this
You responded
I was talking about what female subordination. I meant “this is what I thought female subordination means”. When you responded, I was taken aback because I thought you meant “in a certain context yes” (meaning yes = the definition is correct). Then you said “less powerful, less earning, less indigent. By definition inferior”.
I THOUGHT you were talking about woment
/continuing on through my definition of subordination… even though this did seem off character to me. It was the wording that caught me off guard. I wasn’t intending to be disingenuous
I apologise if I’ve upset you…
So with that, I will come out and publicly state that I screwed up here. I profusely apologise and if theres anything I can do to right this wrong let me know because I feel awful.
I don’t think they are because
A- as emilyQ said, she didn’t come to that conclusion. It’s equally likely others will come onto the forum, read through this and think “well geez, that Unreal kid is a bit or an ass (though I wasn’t intending to be)”.
B- you can delete the messages, and when I see you’ve deleted them I’ll start deleting mine and the convo will cease to exist
C- it’s not like your name is linked to the profile. So why does it matter?
You don’t have to feel awful. I accept your apology.
I actually wish we could have so much freedom of speech that someone Could publicly call me disturbing, dangerous, or whatever (whether incorrect or correct) without repercussion.
But we don’t have that. So if someone publicly calls me dangerous or disturbing I am going away. It’s not a matter of me feeling insulted or not or misunderstood. Intellectual debate with bitter truths is not something I will engage in either.
I didn’t say you did btw.
I was going on about the definition of subordination.
If a subordinate is categorically inferior, would that entail hypothetically under the definition one sex would
HAVE to be superior?
Not talking about your beliefs or mine. Rather the definition of subordination.
I do too 
As this forum is anonymous to a degree (I could always get doxxed) I do feel as if I have slightly more leeway in terms of the manner by which I can give my opinions on here
When you’re hanging out with (some) people in person who think the English dictionary is homophobic, you need to be very careful about what you say 
So… did you know the dictionary is homophobic? How DARE the English language be so provocative!!!
Fairly sure there are some anti Semitic words within the English language. By this definition could English be anti Semitic too?
I tend to believe that I’m cynical and pessimistic fOr ReAsOnS tHaT I CaN’T pInPoInT (joking, I believe I have enough insight to know where my jaded, ultimately negative world view stems from)
And it’s bEeN wOrKiNg OuT fOr Me!
I don’t think one can be imprisoned for this. If someone were to say “this man is a member of Lev Tahor” or “this man is a biologically Jewish Nazi!” I don’t think you can be arrested or imprisoned on that precipice alone
Cancel culture would be out to get you though…
To point out, I’m not calling you a member of Lev Tahor, nor am I calling you a nazi. I thought of the two most outrageous extremes I could think of… because I never use extremes.
If you don’t know what Lev Tahor is. Imagine the Jewish Taliban without the political violence… but maintaining the cruelty and religious fanaticism (and perhaps even amping it up a knotch for the men).
They’re actually quite fascinating.
not all of women think alike bro, lol