my desired goal is conditioning, i like to run anavar only cycles with clen, and clen and proV cycles to get my abbs diced. Every time i add test i seem to bloat really bad as i am carb and estrogen sensitive.
is there a type of trt or test protocol with an AI that could help me ? i really don’t want water on my frame but i want to be smart about my cycles. Usually i just add HCG to protect my balls! lol
please help!
Pin or no gear. There really is nothing wrong with pinning. Takes 2 minutes. The length of time it takes you to take a shit. Test will always cause some bloat depending on how you respond to changes in estrogen.
Do some research on this forum. This topic has been beaten to death.
its not about the pinning, ive taken everything under the sun, its a matter of me wanting to look aesteric and dry and i do terrible with test bc the estrogen sides. is 100mg a week with alittle adex going to help something like that? is that enough test
Essentially, you are talking about an oral only cycle. There end up being 2 camps on this issue. There is data that supports a Anavar/dbol cycle and others say that Test is needed for a foundation in all cycles.
Search “oral only cycle”
ive just done alot of trial and error cycles myself and whenever i do add test, over time i really bloat and maybe its an AI thing or im not taking the right test, i just really care about conditioning but i know alot of people say test is great to have in the fold for fat burning but as a naturally bigger and fatter person i always bloat heavily. Is 100mg a week or 200mg a week enough test and does the prop v.s cyp matter for water retn?
i guess from your experince on here reading, what is the lowest i can go a week of test 100 mg?
Prop may be your answer but it requires EOD pinning. Have you tried Masteron? It has some anti-E properties and will harden you up nicely.
i havent because im a big fan of inj. winny and i know if i do both my hair will fall out lol
if i go EOD shots of prop to not have shut down can i do .25 EOD? all my prior coaches told me if your not doing 200 your supressing?
i just want to be smart bc i dont need shut down, but im just so confused because when i went against the text book and did anavar proV and clen with no test but HCG to protect my ball size i had the best conditioning ive had and im a natural endomoprh at 225-230 so i help my frame with my calories. i just dont want to be stupid but its weird to me that that worked the best for my body
I dont know what level causes full suppression. Again, there are a lot of opinions on that.
Data form the dose response study showed 25-50 mg/wk of test was enough for suppression.
If you are injecting test, you will become suppressed very quickly.
Sounds like his prior coaches had little AAS knowledge. It is worded like over 200 mg and you won’t be suppressed, or there is something magical about 200 mg/wk.
I do believe that anything under say 400 mg test a week and you are just suppressing for no good reason (unless mixed with other AAS, or you need TRT).
i know TEST is a very old school bodybuilding steriod and im not going for a bodybuilding look, i want to use test at the lowest possible a week dosage so my winny anavar and clen can be the major players. I just dont want shut down / bloating. it just confused me that my best conditioning came when i took no test at all!
Are you a male model or something? Why do you have to constantly look dry? Don’t get me wrong I love the dry look low test with dht derivatives is my favorite combo but unless you are a model or are getting paid to have your shirt off I suggest you start embracing a little bit of water it’s good for your joints
im just naturally an endomorph so if i ate carbs in every meal i would be 230-250 , when i carb cycle and do no to low carb 4-5 days with two moderate carb days i stay around 205-210. I want a more male model look yes. my skelital structure is already big and when i lift i put on easily. my main focuses are diet and keeping cardio in. TEST is for BB and im not a BB i want to cycle with harders every 6-8 weeks and PCT then back on to keep my dry look like a cross trainer / boxer. i just want to know if there is anyone out there that likes these test trt or low and uses the other drugs higher and what is a common low dose for that test and why type of test.
i think you can really help me by telling me what your normal low test and DHT cycles would look like and if you take an AI with the test “low”
Test is not for body builders specifically. I think your understanding and resistance to test is a bit off.
You’re shutting yourself down without replacing your non existent natural test. You don’t need to run 500mg a week of Test, but give yourself what you’re not making naturally due to your orals.
Honestly sounds like you need to just run TRT if running orals 6-8 weeks is what you want to be doing. Then no need for PCT, you’ll keep more in f your progress, etc.
Low test cycle for me is 200mg/test then whatever else I want to run with it generally in the 2-400 range so mast, or var, etc. You can run the test even lower if you want like 100-150 but you need it when using the other compounds your using
With that low of a test dose and especially with masteron I don’t need an AI and I don’t really hold any water but I’m also not super dry.
Being super dry constantly is not healthy bro. That’s what bodybuilders do before they step on stage for a limited time because it strains the body.
Im also a large built guy who puts on fat and muscle very easily and also have to monitor my carbs.
You need to get over this “super dry” look desire your gonna hurt yourself constantly trying to chase this.
do you run prop or cyp with that 200?
You can absolutely run very low test as long as you’re not going to the point where you’re working against yourself in regard to test to estrogen ratio.
Run it low, add in your dry compounds, and see what happens. At 100-150mg/w you should absolutely not need to control your e2.