New to the site but not new to cycles. Rode a few cycles and shifted a couple gears .
In all seriousness. I want to try fast acting ester, I have no experience with them but I believe they may be best for me for PCT and the whole being shut down thing.
I was thinking 50mg-75mg a wk test prop
And 400mg-500mg a wk mast prop
PCT will be Nolva typical 40/40/20/20/20, may add in some HCG while on cycle idk yet
Also I may cut the test p out the last 3 weeks of the cycle.
My goal is a body transformation and cut very hard. The goal isnāt muscle gain but if I do cool. I plan to only eat chicken breast and broccoli (basically lean meats, veggies maybe some fruit) . Maybe only eating once daily and especially not eating every time Iām hungry and just suffering through the pain.
50-75mg per week of test is not even a TRT dosage really. My doc is not a quack and prescribes me 160mg per week. With test that low, I can see the mast causing low E2 side effects. Why not run the test prop at least 30mg/day for 210/week?
Double the prop dose and youāre good. You donāt need much test to hold onto muscle while cutting, but 75mg/w is going to legit be worse than just doing it natty. But 150 paired with a decent dose of mast (would be careful going too high with such low test) and you should be able to retain a lot even in a deep deficit.
Yessir eating once a day, itās called Intermittent Fasting. Maybe once a week or every 10 days Iāll have a cheat meal. Not a cheat day, just a meal.
Absolutely, the goal is to hold muscle while in a deficit
150mg test isnāt a crazy amount. Then again from my understanding prop doesnāt carry a lot of ester weight eitherā¦
My reason being, I didnāt want any extra bloat or water. Just seeing what the least amount of prop I could take get away with it to where itās beneficial in retaining muscle, and being vascular from the mast and the feel good effect.
400mg Mast is probably more than plenty for what Iām trying to accomplish.
I want something that is in and out of the body quick so I can jump right into PCT, long esters seem great for people who TRT and blast and cruise. To many variables in when you PCT, the half life takes a long time before it totally clears your system
Test prop raw weight is about 0.8 of the stated mg dose. So for 50mgs test prop multiply it by .8 and get 40mgs of raw test.
So even after we adjust you earliest stated dose of 50-75mgs test prop per week that only equates to 40-60mgs or 5.7-8.6mgs per day average. Now yes natural production is usually in this window but we have to remember that natural production fluctuates during the day so it uses those mgs more effectively and efficiently. It has the slightly higher levels when it needs them for your daily rhythm. When we switch to synthetic we donāt get that fluctuation that gives us more when we need it. So we have to have higher total mgs per day to have enough when our body needs the higher level. Also remember to have that window of 5.7-8.6 everyday you would have to take a small injection everyday. I personally like taking a lower (relative) steady every day dose of test prop but that is because of where I am with my development journey.
You indicated you might double the dose, probably a good idea. I do wonder what it is that happens when you get higher test levels, you did state you are sensitive to the higher levels. Depending on what you experience some of those early effects of higher test levels do subside as our bodies adjust. I am not trying to push you to up your dose, I am just wondering what it is that happens? Testosterone is just too good of a compound to totally miss out on if you can do something on your end to help your body tolerate the āwhackā of a higher level. Really if we were all smarter and more efficient we could do 95% of what pro bodybuilders do but with just testosterone, and not use crazy high doses.
You mentioned water retention or bloat. With test prop even at higher doses you shouldnāt get much of that if any. Please understand any and every estered hormone seems to cause some water retention and of course any wet compound would also cause the retention. It is just with the shorter esters and how the test is in and out of our bodies there just seems to be less retention. Really there shouldnāt be any difference but there certainly seems to be.
Someone mistake me if Iām wrong but dropping the Tprop for the last three weeks but continuing the masteron will probably shut you down worse I thinkā¦ One of the main advtanges with the prop is that you can start your pct a couple days after your last shot , plus at that sort of dose, I canāt see bloating or water retention being an issue, especially with masteron in the mix
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