Nope, there is data to indicate AAS induces potentially irreversible cognitive alterations, opiates also induce irreversible cognitive deficits within those using long term, very high dosages can induce hypoxia (particuarly pertaining to abuse), extensive respiratory depression would lead to a lack of oxygen reaching the brain.
Good Lord you’re arrogant… and quite possibly delusional. I was in a lot of pain… All the time, to the point wherein my ability to perform normalised daily tasks (like walking up a flight of stairs… Any kind of physical activity etc) was severely impaired. I’d be in moderate/severe pain just lying down doing nothing. I was given pain medication by a specialist for fucking good reason, the benefits outweighed the risks… the pain meds are the only reason I was eventually able to get out of bed, start exercising again. You’re taking DNP/tren when you can’t even exercise.
Really? Give me some data to prove therapeutic dosages of painkillers induce irreversible neurotoxicity. Opiate abuse certainly induces dopaminergic dysregulation, alterations to the limbic system etc as do many drugs of addiction. There is certainly data existing to indicate opiate use (therapeutic) induces cognitive abnormalities pertaining to executive fucntion… There is also data to indicate within a therapeutic setting these are entirely reversible
Whereas AAS users still appear to have cognitive deficits comparative to controls.
Whether the alterations are reversible remains unknown, given AR mediated stimulus can/may induce irreversible changes in the heart, skeletal muscle composition etc and the fact that these studies tend to demonstrate AAS use induces structure alterations regarding brain morphometry I’d stipulate perhaps the effect from heavy abuse over a long period of time is irreversible. Just like opiates/drugs of addiction, a non-addicted guy can take a tablet of oxycodone, a prior addict might take one pill and have a relapse, there is probably some level of permeant reward-pathway alteration.
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S000632231632529X (however this particular study couldn’t correlate the alterations with cognitive deficits)
- 350mg test + 800mg eq + clen + DNP… not 150mg tren alone…
- Hyperthermia induces protein degradation, proteins are generally responsible for the structure of, adequate function of organs… Hyperthermia from clen/DNP + a neurotoxic stimuli from high dose AAS despite the fact that you can’t go to gym and you’re telling me I don’t care about my health for having been on an opiate (considerably less prone to abuse than oxy, was on nucynta) for a few months round the clock? After which I quit cold turkey the second I didn’t think I needed it anymore.
There are many arguments you could make wherein you could question how much I care about my health… My episodic binge drinking around my 18th, in Europe (when it got really out of hand), exposure to recreational drugs etc would dictate such a response, I’d shoot back “a few nights out doesn’t compare to inducing persuasive, systemic toxicity day in day out”.
As have I… but there is a massive flaw within your logic here. Aside from addicts, the majority of drug use is highly acute in nature… one night out. Going through that little plastic baggie of ketamine or whatever until it’s all gone in one night generally won’t do as much damage as a 10 week cycle of tren, DNP, Clen, EQ, test etc. Binges/chronic use is another story all-together, methamphetamine addiction will certainly induce more neurotoxicity than AAS ever could. Many recreational drugs are far more culpable in regards to facilitating addiction. Should also be noted through numerous mechanisms cocaine can induce permanent damage to the heart, if you’re using AAS with a prior history of cocaine abuse you should’ve gotten cardiac imaging prior to ever cycling to make sure everything was okay.
Perhaps this is the case, although you’ve mentioned you’ve gone “way higher” with the tren. And 1000mg primo, 1200mg EQ, 350mg test is abuse if you’re referring to this kind of “test, eq and primo” cycle. Regardless this is a moot point given you’ve mentioned using a DNP + Clen combo at least five times… This is abuse of PED’s. You’re not competing, you’re not making money from this venture, you’re abusing drugs (the clen+dnp is the particular issue). I wouldn’t even have a problem with this if you were aware this was incredibly dangerous/that you were playing with fire. If you were legitimately educated as to what the long term implications were/the pharmacodynamics of these drugs at stake there would be no problem… freedom of choice.
I find many prior drug addicts will turn to high dose AAS very soon after they quit (hey, better than heroin addiction), then state they’re clean whilst they undergo MASSIVE cycles and never really come off… That’s not getting clean, it’s swapping one vice for another.
This is very reasonable, unless you’re doing it for like 50 weeks. Drop the Clen/DNP and that’s a very fine cycle. It isn’t low dose given its almost a gram of gear per week, but it’s very reasonable/sensible (if the Clen/DNP is dropped)
This however seems like an impulse buy designed to justify using anabolic steroids… You cant bring 1000$ worth of gym equipment back home, so in my opinion this was an incredibly stupid decision to make.
And… No longer reasonable … LD50 for a rat is roughly 30-70mg/kg, if he convert that to a HED you divide by 6.2, so on the high end 70/6.2105=1182, and 30/6.2105=508
Quite a few studies within rodents appear to indicate the LD50 is between 30-40mg/kg, not 70-72mg/kg, in which case you’re playing with fire. The lowest reported lethal dose for a human is 4.2mg/mg, many case reports of acute, near lethal DNP consumption stem from a 600mg dose. I believe the GUARANTEED lethal dosage (almost guaranteed, so for like… one who would wish to painfully die) is 1-3g by mouth once or divided into numerous dosages (3g over 4 days for instance). For those that do use DNP, you’re supposed to use it for 2-3 weeks at. You DO know DNP itself lowers WBC count? Thus further discounting you’re “DNP strengthens my immune system” belief.
I believe the generalised rule of thumb for DNP in the 30s was a maximum of 300mg/day, and people were still dropping dead, developing cateracts/life threatening Agranulocytosis (good luck fighting off covid-19)
Great… Put even more strain on you’re heart
Prioritising working out over the health of the general populace is extremely short sighted and selfish. The lockdown of essential services is meant to contain community spread. The latency period can last up to 14 days, with one case report demonstrating a patient asymptomatic for 20+ days if I recall… There are more important things in life than working out (like, not being dead). If you can only work out 2x/wk with light weights, using tren, Clen and DNP is just retarded.
mmkay, I thought I should reiterate therapeutic use vs abuse. There’s a HUGE difference in damage incurred from differing patterns of use. Imagine me slapping on like 6 fentanyl patches then crushing up and snorting/injecting an 80 (oxy), I’d either die or suffer near fatal respiratory depression, potentially damage my brain irreversibly. Keep in mind this is for me, someone with no tolerance. Now imagine me taking 5-10mg targin 2x/day (oxycodone CR) to control chronic ailment/ disk degeneration/whatever
Tolerance is a huge problem with chronic opiate therapy, as is the prospect of opiate induced hyperalgesia, immunosuppression, hypogonadism (not a problem with tapentadol interestingly enough, even with high dosages), cognitive deterioration (probably acute in nature) etc. This isn’t a conversation as to the risks/benefits pertaining to the use of opiates. The fact is, some people require painkillers to function without being in a fuck ton of pain all the time, if they’re reasonably prescribed adequate dosages and the patient is monitored… the outcome isn’t nearly as detrimental compared to Tren, DNP, Clen, Eq and test combined. It’s like comparing 1-200mg test/wk for TRT with 2000mg test/wk to get massive
Get you’re lipids/renal function tested ON the gear, not off. Secondly, get a CBC to rule out the development of polycythemia, also to check you’re WBC count on 600mg DNP… Thirdly, a plaque score is good, but it doesn’t tell you if you’re heart is significantly enlarged… Significant enlargement predisposes one to arrhythmia (depending on whether the enlargement is associated with the development of myocardial fibrosis, deterioration in diastolic/systolic function etc…) Even then, it appears athletic heart syndrome MIGHT predispose one to atrial fibrillation later on in life. I doubt you’d have athletic heart syndrome unless you were going to gym like 6x weekly 2x/day. You’d probably have some semblance of generalised dilated cardiomyopathy if you’re heart is enlarged.
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