DNC 2012

Off Topic Politics & World Issues
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[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]smh23 wrote:

Taxes should be flat or progressive, not regressive.[/quote]

Please, I’m all ears, explain how the IRC is regressive.

He lives on Cap Gains. In a bad year, he might make zero dollars. She lives on salary. And if she is paying 30% effective rate, she is making like 350k+. And in a down year, she still gets paid.

I won’t even get into the concept of phantom income.

It isn’t about agree or disagree. Your talking points have prevented you from learning factual information.[/quote]

I am sure tis is just part of it , but does not sound terribly complex at this level

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[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:
The republicans are as guilty and a lot more culpable than the Dems[/quote]

Yes pitt, the republicans are the ones keeping race, race-baiting and racism alive and well in America.

fucking pathetic[/quote]

Why do you think there are few minorities in the Republican Party ?

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[quote]SexMachine wrote:

[quote]therajraj wrote:
Do you guys believe Bill Clinton raped someone?[/quote]

He actually raped her twice. It’s common knowledge and many journalists say it as fact because they know he won’t defend it or sue for libel:

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/09/04/Leader-of-War-on-women-speaks-at-DNC[/quote]
Going up against the Clintons is a good way to end up dead

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[quote]pittbulll wrote:

[quote]smh23 wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:

[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:
I thought one of the high lights was Ted Kennedy’s debate with Mitt for Ted’s Senate seat, he kicked romney’s ass[/quote]

Well, I wouldn’t want Teddy the drunk “murderer” who also fought tooth and nail to prevent the wind farm on the Cape as my champion either, but that is just me.[/quote]

I was just saying it was funny how that drunk murderer made Romney look like a flip flopin SOB
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He is a flip flopping SOB. Can’t deny that. But at least he isn’t Obama. [/quote]

Whenever you’ve actually done something you can be attacked on your record. Obama was only a two year Senator before he ran for President. The only record he had was the most liberal voting record in the Senate. Romney has done many, many things. From business to running the Olympics to being a Governor. All gave him executive experience by the way.

Sure, he changed his mind on some key issues and I’m glad he did or I’d probably be staying home this November.

Edit: Ronald Reagan was one of the biggest tax hiking Governors that California had in mondern times. Yet, he changed his mind about taxes prior to running for President in 1980.

One more side note on Reagan, he took over an economy that was in shambles under Jimmy Carter and turned it around. He created 20 million jobs by lowering taxes to 28& and eliminating loop holes. Reagan didn’t blame the previous President he took action. A good President can make a difference![/quote]

There is a difference between changing your mind and saying anything that will get more votes or
cater to different factions . You can feel how ever you like . I personally see a preponderance
of evidence that Mitt is disingenuous .

I know people including my self that have changed their mind . But few have changed their mind on DEEPLY HELD BELIEFS especially so many of them and then change their mind again

[/quote]

Hi,

What beliefs has Romney flip flopped on? I’m genuinely curious.

Thanks.
[/quote]

let me know if you want more :slight_smile:
[/quote]

Man. I mean, you can make one of those videos for every politician. But very, very few would be as stark as that.[/quote]

Please show me one about Obama or Nancy Pelosi or Barney Franks or any one else
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Obama or Nancy Pelosi or Barney Franks??? are you kidding? There are no flip flops with this triad. Flops? tons. Flips? Hardly

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[quote]MaximusB wrote:
The going rumor is that Clinton wants Obama to lose, so he (Clinton) can remain the best Dem president ever. Thoughts ?[/quote]

Remain? Obama hasn’t a 1 bajillionith of the street cred that Clinton holds, earned or not

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[quote]smh23 wrote:
And the “you didn’t build that” thing is another ridiculous non-issue. Bad word choice, and in terms of contemporary politics, abysmal word choice. But he was making a point that every single person on this board and in this country knows to be true. It is such a fucking self-evident platitude that it’s almost stupid that it was even spoken out loud in the first place, but apparently that point needs to be made in these times of screaming hysteria.[/quote]

So saying it was a bad word choice means one of two things, to me. Either he meant it, and that is frightening, or he has piss poor speech writers and didn’t read it before hand and say something like, “hey, this isn’t actually how I feel”.

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Quote "There are a lot of wealthy, successful Americans who agree with me – because they want to give something back. They know they didn?t – look, if you?ve been successful, you didn?t get there on your own. You didn?t get there on your own. I?m always struck by people who think, well, it must be because I was just so smart. There are a lot of smart people out there. It must be because I worked harder than everybody else. Let me tell you something – there are a whole bunch of hardworking people out there. (Applause.)

 If you were successful, somebody along the line gave you some help.  There was a great teacher somewhere in your life.  Somebody helped to create this unbelievable American system that we have that allowed you to thrive.  Somebody invested in roads and bridges.  If you?ve got a business -- you didn?t build that.  Somebody else made that happen.  The Internet didn?t get invented on its own.  Government research created the Internet so that all the companies could make money off the Internet."

From the first paragraph, President Obama quantifies that a business owner doesn’t succeed because of his/her ideas or hard work.

Think you’re smart? “There are a lot of smart people out there.”
You work hard? “Let me tell you something – there are a whole bunch of hardworking people out there.”

He meant what he said.

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DNC was hot, definitely more provocative than the RNC. At least with the DNC you know you’re going to get some semi-interesting TV, whereas you pretty much know that the Republican’s are going to spend two days talking about tax cuts and reducing the debt. It pretty much explains why the DNC ALWAYS outdraws the RNC.

Romney doesn’t even belong in national politics. The only reason he’s even this close is because of the pretty dire economic circumstances (providing a nice outlet to tout his experience in private equity), coupled with the total lack of any legitimate competition on the Repub. side. The Republicans are stuck with Romney and they’ve learnt to love him.

Everyone should check out our Prime Minister here in New Zealand, John Key. He’s part of the National party, which is the right-to-centre/conservative party - essentially our equivalent of the GOP (the two main parties are Labour and National, moderate left and right to centre respectively). He recently won a second term in a complete landslide and the polls aren’t even close. Anyway, back to Key - he has a heavy background in banking, heading Merrill Lynch’s South-Asia forex division before moving into public service. He’s really a Mitt Romney type figure if you look at his bio, a borderline elitist you think wouldn’t draw political enthusiasm. Except he does actually have a personality and comes of as a regular guy. He can connect to people - something Mitt Romney can’t do.

Obama doesn’t really deserve a 2nd term but people are over-exaggerating how much he’s at fault for that. He started spending at the one time all you are theoretically supposed to spend (in a deep recession that is). The markets are giving 2 shits about level of debt right now. Look at Treasuries - rates are still rock- bottom, auctions are over subscribed and people are still looking at US Treasuries as one of the world’s safest investment havens (no matter what Moodys says for publicity). The U.S is growing at slower rates because America is losing it’s international competitivity. Mexico and other developing economies are beginning to boom (look at the peso’s appreciation over the last couple of years, especially this year; BRICs over the last 5 years).

One final thought: do you really think higher tier tax cuts are going to over-weigh the European situation?

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[quote]2busy wrote:
Quote "There are a lot of wealthy, successful Americans who agree with me – because they want to give something back. They know they didn?t – look, if you?ve been successful, you didn?t get there on your own. You didn?t get there on your own. I?m always struck by people who think, well, it must be because I was just so smart. There are a lot of smart people out there. It must be because I worked harder than everybody else. Let me tell you something – there are a whole bunch of hardworking people out there. (Applause.)

 If you were successful, somebody along the line gave you some help.  There was a great teacher somewhere in your life.  Somebody helped to create this unbelievable American system that we have that allowed you to thrive.  Somebody invested in roads and bridges.  If you?ve got a business -- you didn?t build that.  Somebody else made that happen.  The Internet didn?t get invented on its own.  Government research created the Internet so that all the companies could make money off the Internet."

From the first paragraph, President Obama quantifies that a business owner doesn’t succeed because of his/her ideas or hard work.

Think you’re smart? “There are a lot of smart people out there.”
You work hard? “Let me tell you something – there are a whole bunch of hardworking people out there.”

He meant what he said.[/quote]

He’s just saying there is no business without government sponsored infrastructure, tangible and intangible. And he’s right - businesses having been living off government forever, some more than others.

I don’t really understand how you can look at it from a a malicious point of view. He’s saying, “great you had an idea and created something” but how much was that actually you i.e. your employees and all these other things you may take for granted. It’s a question more than some kind of dig at all the entrepreneurs out there.

Entrepreneurship is how you build an economy and put your people to work. It doesn’t make sense for anyone to hate on that.

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[quote]Gettnitdone wrote:

[quote]2busy wrote:
Quote "There are a lot of wealthy, successful Americans who agree with me – because they want to give something back. They know they didn?t – look, if you?ve been successful, you didn?t get there on your own. You didn?t get there on your own. I?m always struck by people who think, well, it must be because I was just so smart. There are a lot of smart people out there. It must be because I worked harder than everybody else. Let me tell you something – there are a whole bunch of hardworking people out there. (Applause.)

 If you were successful, somebody along the line gave you some help.  There was a great teacher somewhere in your life.  Somebody helped to create this unbelievable American system that we have that allowed you to thrive.  Somebody invested in roads and bridges.  If you?ve got a business -- you didn?t build that.  Somebody else made that happen.  The Internet didn?t get invented on its own.  Government research created the Internet so that all the companies could make money off the Internet."

From the first paragraph, President Obama quantifies that a business owner doesn’t succeed because of his/her ideas or hard work.

Think you’re smart? “There are a lot of smart people out there.”
You work hard? “Let me tell you something – there are a whole bunch of hardworking people out there.”

He meant what he said.[/quote]

He’s just saying there is no business without government sponsored infrastructure, tangible and intangible. And he’s right - businesses having been living off government forever, some more than others.

I don’t really understand how you can look at it from a a malicious point of view. He’s saying, “great you had an idea and created something” but how much was that actually you i.e. your employees and all these other things you may take for granted. It’s a question more than some kind of dig at all the entrepreneurs out there.

Entrepreneurship is how you build an economy and put your people to work. It doesn’t make sense for anyone to hate on that.[/quote]

Businesses existed before government sponsored infrastructure.

Trying to say you need the government in able to make a business is silly.

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[quote]Sloth wrote:

[quote]Jewbacca wrote:
For those that don’t know, a big controversy erupted because the Democrat National Platform dropped the position that Jerusalem is the Capital of Israel (yeah, that’s a controversy).

Anyway, they caught hell about it, and forced through an amendment.

Watch until the end and ask youself: (1) who won the vote and (2) does the DNC leadership give a shit who won?

[/quote]

Awkward!
[/quote]

Doesn’t phase the State Department though. Israel still doesn’t have a capital:

http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/state-dept-again-refuses-name-capital-israel_651863.html

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[quote]2busy wrote:

[quote]Gettnitdone wrote:

[quote]2busy wrote:
Quote "There are a lot of wealthy, successful Americans who agree with me – because they want to give something back. They know they didn?t – look, if you?ve been successful, you didn?t get there on your own. You didn?t get there on your own. I?m always struck by people who think, well, it must be because I was just so smart. There are a lot of smart people out there. It must be because I worked harder than everybody else. Let me tell you something – there are a whole bunch of hardworking people out there. (Applause.)

 If you were successful, somebody along the line gave you some help.  There was a great teacher somewhere in your life.  Somebody helped to create this unbelievable American system that we have that allowed you to thrive.  Somebody invested in roads and bridges.  If you?ve got a business -- you didn?t build that.  Somebody else made that happen.  The Internet didn?t get invented on its own.  Government research created the Internet so that all the companies could make money off the Internet."

From the first paragraph, President Obama quantifies that a business owner doesn’t succeed because of his/her ideas or hard work.

Think you’re smart? “There are a lot of smart people out there.”
You work hard? “Let me tell you something – there are a whole bunch of hardworking people out there.”

He meant what he said.[/quote]

He’s just saying there is no business without government sponsored infrastructure, tangible and intangible. And he’s right - businesses having been living off government forever, some more than others.

I don’t really understand how you can look at it from a a malicious point of view. He’s saying, “great you had an idea and created something” but how much was that actually you i.e. your employees and all these other things you may take for granted. It’s a question more than some kind of dig at all the entrepreneurs out there.

Entrepreneurship is how you build an economy and put your people to work. It doesn’t make sense for anyone to hate on that.[/quote]

Businesses existed before government sponsored infrastructure.

Trying to say you need the government in able to make a business is silly.

[/quote]

How far back in history do you have to go to say that business existed before government sponsored infrastructure?

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[quote]Gettnitdone wrote:

[quote]2busy wrote:
Quote "There are a lot of wealthy, successful Americans who agree with me – because they want to give something back. They know they didn?t – look, if you?ve been successful, you didn?t get there on your own. You didn?t get there on your own. I?m always struck by people who think, well, it must be because I was just so smart. There are a lot of smart people out there. It must be because I worked harder than everybody else. Let me tell you something – there are a whole bunch of hardworking people out there. (Applause.)

 If you were successful, somebody along the line gave you some help.  There was a great teacher somewhere in your life.  Somebody helped to create this unbelievable American system that we have that allowed you to thrive.  Somebody invested in roads and bridges.  If you?ve got a business -- you didn?t build that.  Somebody else made that happen.  The Internet didn?t get invented on its own.  Government research created the Internet so that all the companies could make money off the Internet."

From the first paragraph, President Obama quantifies that a business owner doesn’t succeed because of his/her ideas or hard work.

Think you’re smart? “There are a lot of smart people out there.”
You work hard? “Let me tell you something – there are a whole bunch of hardworking people out there.”

He meant what he said.[/quote]

He’s just saying there is no business without government sponsored infrastructure, tangible and intangible. And he’s right - businesses having been living off government forever, some more than others.

I don’t really understand how you can look at it from a a malicious point of view. He’s saying, “great you had an idea and created something” but how much was that actually you i.e. your employees and all these other things you may take for granted. It’s a question more than some kind of dig at all the entrepreneurs out there.

Entrepreneurship is how you build an economy and put your people to work. It doesn’t make sense for anyone to hate on that.[/quote]

Look at the mans background and then look at what he has failed to do. There has been millions of private sector jobs lost under his watch.

Obama is lost in a mire of leftist ideology.

He meant what he said!

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[quote]Christine wrote:

[quote]2busy wrote:

[quote]Gettnitdone wrote:

[quote]2busy wrote:
Quote "There are a lot of wealthy, successful Americans who agree with me – because they want to give something back. They know they didn?t – look, if you?ve been successful, you didn?t get there on your own. You didn?t get there on your own. I?m always struck by people who think, well, it must be because I was just so smart. There are a lot of smart people out there. It must be because I worked harder than everybody else. Let me tell you something – there are a whole bunch of hardworking people out there. (Applause.)

 If you were successful, somebody along the line gave you some help.  There was a great teacher somewhere in your life.  Somebody helped to create this unbelievable American system that we have that allowed you to thrive.  Somebody invested in roads and bridges.  If you?ve got a business -- you didn?t build that.  Somebody else made that happen.  The Internet didn?t get invented on its own.  Government research created the Internet so that all the companies could make money off the Internet."

From the first paragraph, President Obama quantifies that a business owner doesn’t succeed because of his/her ideas or hard work.

Think you’re smart? “There are a lot of smart people out there.”
You work hard? “Let me tell you something – there are a whole bunch of hardworking people out there.”

He meant what he said.[/quote]

He’s just saying there is no business without government sponsored infrastructure, tangible and intangible. And he’s right - businesses having been living off government forever, some more than others.

I don’t really understand how you can look at it from a a malicious point of view. He’s saying, “great you had an idea and created something” but how much was that actually you i.e. your employees and all these other things you may take for granted. It’s a question more than some kind of dig at all the entrepreneurs out there.

Entrepreneurship is how you build an economy and put your people to work. It doesn’t make sense for anyone to hate on that.[/quote]

Businesses existed before government sponsored infrastructure.

Trying to say you need the government in able to make a business is silly.

[/quote]

How far back in history do you have to go to say that business existed before government sponsored infrastructure?

[/quote]

Not that far back, mid 1800’s before the railways were built across the US. There was no federal income tax and there were many, many businesses built both small and large.

One example (there are many more) is Levi Strauss Jeans founded sometime in the mid 1800’s.

Obama lives in a leftist la la land. He is truly clueless when it comes to entrepreneur’s and American business in general.

Say what you want about Mitt Romney at least he has executive experience and fully understands how business works and what it needs to succeed. The US will never get out of this mess unless small business which hires about 65% of all new workers, is able to once again begin hiring and expanding. Currently they are all hunkering down waiting for more Obama tax hikes.

Obama is just not the man for the job. He tried and failed!

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There was no government sponsored infrastructure prior to the 1800’s?

http://american_almanac.tripod.com/earlyinf.htm

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[quote]Christine wrote:
There was no government sponsored infrastructure prior to the 1800’s?

http://american_almanac.tripod.com/earlyinf.htm

[/quote]

Not enough to make that big a difference in the daily lives of the businesses that built this country.

Read your own link!

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[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]Christine wrote:
There was no government sponsored infrastructure prior to the 1800’s?

http://american_almanac.tripod.com/earlyinf.htm

[/quote]

Not enough to make that big a difference in the daily lives of the businesses that built this country.

Read your own link![/quote]

Perhaps not in centuries past, but in today’s world, business needs government-sponsored infrastructure.

But it has always needed the rule of law that government provides.

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[quote]smh23 wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]Christine wrote:
There was no government sponsored infrastructure prior to the 1800’s?

http://american_almanac.tripod.com/earlyinf.htm

[/quote]

Not enough to make that big a difference in the daily lives of the businesses that built this country.

Read your own link![/quote]

Perhaps not in centuries past, but in today’s world, business needs government-sponsored infrastructure.

But it has always needed the rule of law that government provides.[/quote]

The fact remains that if it were not for the lone entrepreneur having a dream and the guts to stick with that dream and put his own money on the line and work long hours year after year…there would be no business and hence no jobs. The government didn’t build! Simple.

Stop defending Obama’s leftist statement. I know where Obama is coming from, we all know what Obama is all about he has a history. You can be a good liberal and not agree with his statement.

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[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]Christine wrote:
There was no government sponsored infrastructure prior to the 1800’s?

http://american_almanac.tripod.com/earlyinf.htm

[/quote]

Not enough to make that big a difference in the daily lives of the businesses that built this country.

Read your own link![/quote]

How about the continental army?

Prisons?

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[quote]Christine wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]Christine wrote:
There was no government sponsored infrastructure prior to the 1800’s?

http://american_almanac.tripod.com/earlyinf.htm

[/quote]

Not enough to make that big a difference in the daily lives of the businesses that built this country.

Read your own link![/quote]

How about the continental army?

Prisons?
[/quote]

Again, not enough to claim that “You didn’t build that, someone else did it for you…”

That’s just nutty. It’s a crazy thing to say and even a crazier thing to actually believe. But the socialist and chief speaks his mind.

I hope he does as well in the debates.

Now stop acting like a starry eye’d Obama supporter those days are gone!

He had four years and failed,…miserably! Pick someone else to idolize.