[quote]ToShinDo wrote:
ZEB, would you be for a law that would prevent homosexuals from being teachers or working in child-care facilities? Or how about living with in a certain distance of these places? Would you want one to be your child’s doctor? Counselor?
Where’s the love?[/quote]
As I have stated before on this very forum I have hired Gay people to work in my company. I also have Gay tennants and I have never discriminated against anyone for their beliefs.
This is a very big world and I think there is plenty of room for everyone of every persuasion, belif, faith etc. We are simply having a discussion and I am voicing my opinion. Sometimes it’s about theology. Other times about conduct and various laws, marriage etc.
This is a great country, if you want to make it smaller and less meaningful all you have to do is support the idiot who wrote the sign that that poor kid is holding!
My question to you would be: where’s the open mind?
[quote]vroom wrote:
Ah Zeb, you are so consumed by all this garbage you are looking for insult where there was none.
No wonder you think there is such a thing as “my usual crap”… because you simply see what you expect to see, whether or not it is present.
By the way, there probably isn’t much progress left to be made on this thread… don’t let me stop you from hammering away at it though.[/quote]
You continue to impress me with your inane comments. Just when I think you about to contribute something worthwhile…
I did not see an insult, nor did I respond to him with one. Perhaps you need to continue rubbing your chin and contemplating what’s really taking place. Of course I don’t think that has helped you in the past.
As far as this thread goes I see you have contributed your usual…nada!
Have a good night vroom, if that’s possible at this point in your life.
[quote]doogie wrote:
Zeb,1. Gay does not equal pedophile.
2. Wouldn’t gay marriage make gay relationships more stable?
3. Do you really not like lesbian porn? I mean come on, man.
4. Why do you care so much about what other guys do with their dicks?
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Never said it did and I think you know that.
Perhaps, but how stable are Gay relationships? The jury is out on this.
Actually, I prefer to make love to my wife. Sorry to disappoint you.
I think I have made it clear to all but the very slowest. I try to treat everyone with love and respect (even vroom most of the time-sorry no one’s perfect).
So I clearly haven’t understood this whole “freedom of speech” thing.[/quote]
The problem is that no sensible person would take these people seriously or “Your Pastor Is A Whore” literally. Defamation, in particular, requires damages. If a newscaster stated during a broadcast that someone was well known to be a whore, that would be a different matter.
[quote]ZEB wrote:
2. Perhaps, but how stable are Gay relationships? The jury is out on this.
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How stable are heterosexual relationships? Last I heard, the statistic was a 52% divorce rate for all married couples. How can you even take the stance that you want to deny gay marriage based on “stability” alone? It would imply that you think most heterosexual relationships are “stable”. They aren’t.
Well PX, the ONLY way you can truly love someone is to tell them the truth despite the consequences. When comparing eternal damnation with temporal comfort, the choice is clear. Simple as this: Christ came to set the captives (fallen humans)free. He associated with all sorts of undesirables, as I mentioned before, but He came to change them. Not psychoanalyze them, not tolerate them, not “love” them right into hell. I love my son enough to correct his errors, so that those errors don’t bring further/greater grief and loss. If I dont, then I prove that I love MYSELF more. Gotta be a cool dad, a mod dad, a tolerant dad so that I can feel good about myself via conforming to society’s mores. You know, those same ones that change every decade and yet are as right as rain while in vogue. Although today’s sophisticated man claims the contrary. Thinly veiled ignorance.
The greatest proof for the existence of God: mankind. Both his pros and his cons. The deepest form of love is to put it all on the line and risk it all to save another. Christ sacrificed Himself to save those He loves. Short order: How have I loved my gay friends… I’ve told them that they are infinitely valued by an infinite God who sacrificed all to gain their freedom. His purpose is for you to have life and that more abundantly. Christ loves you just as you are (gay, egotistical, cruel, self-centered… fill in the blank) but He loves you too much to leave you there. I loved my father while he was in prison, but that doesn’t mean that I ignore the action that produced his collision with justice.
How do you love a man. Tell him the truth no matter how it makes YOU or HIM feel or how popular or tolerant you’re considered.
I’m just fine if it’s 6 billion vs 1. As long as the 1 is Jesus Christ, I’m with the “majority”.
Your statement assumes knowledge of this posters actions without knowing him on any real level. You comment bleeds sanctimonious presumption and superior moral ground thereby. You’ve got nowhere to go on those grounds… nowhere. An argumentative flaw.
This is not personal. I just do not like to have a discussion of any real merit when it becomes something that cannot stand up to basic rules of logic and arugment.
DH
[quote]Professor X wrote:
jerinevans wrote:
Charles Staley and Disc Hoss have it right. Hate the sin, but love the sinner.
Thanks for clearing that up for us. In what ways have you “loved the sinner” lately?[/quote]
While the concept of choice is a vital one, you have essentially brought this to core. Christ would not approve of what they are doing. Of course many want to use this as opportunity to set up a straw man and then feel vindicated from this ugly Christian God. Better to spend some time becoming familiar with a subject before offering intellingent critique. Majority don’t/won’t.
Best,
DH
[quote]Massif wrote:
I don’t really give a rat’s ass if being gay is a choice or not. The kind of attitude that those fuckers on the front page have shown is completely fucked up. They could spend their time helping the sick, poor or homeless, you know, actually HELPING folks, but instead they spend their precious time on Earth inciting hatred towards their fellow man.
[quote]Disc Hoss wrote:
Your statement assumes knowledge of this posters actions without knowing him on any real level. You comment bleeds sanctimonious presumption and superior moral ground thereby. You’ve got nowhere to go on those grounds… nowhere. An argumentative flaw.
This is not personal. I just do not like to have a discussion of any real merit when it becomes something that cannot stand up to basic rules of logic and arugment.
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What the living hell are you talking about? I asked him that question because he brought no new ideas or even a personal stance to this conversation. He simply said he agreed with what someone else wrote. To bring out his personal opinions, I asked the question. You, for some strange unknown reason, not only misunderstood that tactic, but took it upon yourself to judge me falsely and speak for someone else. You seem to have no problem doing this…even when it comes to claiming that homosexuality is definitely a choice when the truth is, we don’t know.
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ZEB wrote:
2. Perhaps, but how stable are Gay relationships? The jury is out on this.
Professor X wrote:
How stable are heterosexual relationships? Last I heard, the statistic was a 52% divorce rate for all married couples. How can you even take the stance that you want to deny gay marriage based on “stability” alone? It would imply that you think most heterosexual relationships are “stable”. They aren’t.[/quote]
I hate this stat, because it’s so misleading. I try put it in correct context whenever I see it. I’m not saying you don’t understand it Prof, but please allow me to tease out its meaning.
What this stat does not mean is that any given marriage has a 52% chance of ending in divorce. The sample is skewed because a couple like my grandparents, who have been married 61 years, get counted as 1 successful marriage, whereas the average Springer viewer on his 5th marriage gets counted as 4 failed marriages and 1 that hasn’t failed (yet). So those examples of serial marriage failure skew the sample, and make an “average” or “overall” number fairly meaningless.
I don’t know that it’s out there, but a meaningful stat would look at percentage of 1st marriages that are successful, then 2nd marriages, then 3rd marriages, etc.
homosexuality is a sin by Christian standards but to say that God hates homosexuals in not right. The Church teaches that God loves all people regardless of their sins, it is the people who show no love to God and others with their sins.
I don’t want to get into it about pseudo churches here in america and around the world. you can go to other threads on the forum and see how i feel about that. I’ll just say that the “In God we trust” on our currency is a joke.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
You seem to have no problem doing this…even when it comes to claiming that homosexuality is definitely a choice when the truth is, we don’t know.
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I do know it has been choice for some. I’ve stated it before. Choices can and have been made because of monitary influences. Thats FACT.
[quote]PGA200X wrote:
Professor X wrote:
You seem to have no problem doing this…even when it comes to claiming that homosexuality is definitely a choice when the truth is, we don’t know.
I do know it has been choice for some. I’ve stated it before. Choices can and have been made because of monitary influences. Thats FACT.[/quote]
We are talking about sexual orientation, not performing sex acts for pay. There is a huge difference just like heterosexual sex shouldn’t be compared to prostitution.
I don’t know that it’s out there, but a meaningful stat would look at percentage of 1st marriages that are successful, then 2nd marriages, then 3rd marriages, etc.[/quote]
I understand what you mean, however, I knew many single parent families growing up where the kid’s father ran out on the mother. This is probably seen in much higher cases in the inner city. That is not an example of a “stable” family either. The point still stands, it is shallow to base your reasoning on a stable household as if the simple fact that they are gay makes it unstable.
Side note: at least half of the people I know who got married before the age of 25 are now divorced or heading in that direction. I think that statistic may not be dead on (because most rarely are) but I doubt it is far off.
