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The fact that Christians still kid themselves into believing homosexuality is a choice absolutely beggars belief. People kill themselves all the time because they are gay. It is NOT a choice. Sure we may not have evidence about what exactly causes gayness but we will have eventually becuase there IS a cause and it ain’t that someone ‘decided’ they’d rather surf the chocolate highway.

The fact that they would still say its a choice is extremely insulting to gays, did you choose to be straight? No you got a hard on for tits. Gays get a hard on for pecs. That is the way it is and in my opinion thinking any different is similar to creationists thinking dinosaur bones were put on Earth to ‘test’ our faith. What kind of sicko is God anyway??

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[quote]Elkhntr1 wrote:
I think your point is plausible Zeb, just as I think you can be born that way.

Remember the movie American Beauty with Kevin Spacey? Remember the Marine Corp Colonel?

Do you think that some that get all hell bent for leather fired up over this could be suppressing their own latent homosexual impulses that they were born with?

Can you say “well sure he won’t be in heaven with me and will be cast in a lake fire, but while he’s here on earth sharing this existence with me, he and his partner can share health benefits and if they are responsible adults adopt a baby wasting away in an orphanage,”. Are is it your christianly duty to make sure he or she suffers in this life as well as the next?[/quote]

Until we know exactly why someone becomes a homosexual I don’t think it’s a good idea to entrust a child to their care.

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[quote]Elkhntr1 wrote:
I think your point is plausible Zeb, just as I think you can be born that way.

Remember the movie American Beauty with Kevin Spacey? Remember the Marine Corp Colonel?

Do you think that some that get all hell bent for leather fired up over this could be suppressing their own latent homosexual impulses that they were born with?

Can you say “well sure he won’t be in heaven with me and will be cast in a lake fire, but while he’s here on earth sharing this existence with me, he and his partner can share health benefits and if they are responsible adults adopt a baby wasting away in an orphanage,”. Are is it your christianly duty to make sure he or she suffers in this life as well as the next?[/quote]

As far as anyone “suffering” in this life, it’s certainly not my choosing. If it were up to me everyone would be quite happy and content.

Elk, have you ever noticed that (at least here on earth) we sort of make our own Heaven and Hell?

Do you know why that is?

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[quote]ConorM wrote:
The fact that Christians still kid themselves into believing homosexuality is a choice absolutely beggars belief. People kill themselves all the time because they are gay. It is NOT a choice. Sure we may not have evidence about what exactly causes gayness but we will have eventually becuase there IS a cause and it ain’t that someone ‘decided’ they’d rather surf the chocolate highway.

The fact that they would still say its a choice is extremely insulting to gays, did you choose to be straight? No you got a hard on for tits. Gays get a hard on for pecs. That is the way it is and in my opinion thinking any different is similar to creationists thinking dinosaur bones were put on Earth to ‘test’ our faith. What kind of sicko is God anyway??[/quote]

Again, it may not be a “Choice.” It might be something that happens to them as children, or it might in fact be genetic. We simply don’t know do we?

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[quote]ZEB wrote:
Elkhntr1 wrote:
I think your point is plausible Zeb, just as I think you can be born that way.

Remember the movie American Beauty with Kevin Spacey? Remember the Marine Corp Colonel?

Do you think that some that get all hell bent for leather fired up over this could be suppressing their own latent homosexual impulses that they were born with?

Can you say “well sure he won’t be in heaven with me and will be cast in a lake fire, but while he’s here on earth sharing this existence with me, he and his partner can share health benefits and if they are responsible adults adopt a baby wasting away in an orphanage,”. Are is it your christianly duty to make sure he or she suffers in this life as well as the next?

Until we know exactly why someone becomes a homosexual I don’t think it’s a good idea to entrust a child to their care.

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With all the ugliness in this world you still want to cling to primitive beliefs. How many kids are abused in orphanages by hetero pedophiles? How many children are abused by their natural parents whether sexually or physically? How many are raising themselves in squalid conditions because of drug addicted parents?

But, you wouldn’t want them to go to a stable gay couple. That kind of thinking is retarded. Similar to not wanting abortion yet not wanting to give kids sex education or condoms. Why don’t you come out of the dark ages Zeb?

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[quote]k.elkouhen wrote:

I do NOT know how freedom of speech works in the US. Can anybody help me with the following questions ?

1/ Does freedom of speech allow you to insult someone in public ?

2/ Are insults considered harmful ?

I know that in other countries you can sue someone when he insults you in public. [/quote]

It’s kind of complicated, but generally you can insult within your freedom of speech rights if you’re making a general statement that is applicable to a given individual, e.g. you’re in a political debate with someone with blue hair and you say something to the effect that those with blue hair are generally stupid. You aren’t protected if you say something along the lines of “You are an idiot.”

But then you get into what is the standard of proof w/r/t libel and slander, which is different for regular folks, celebrities and politicians (a sliding scale from more to less protection under the libel laws). For instance, it would be nigh well impossible for John Kerry to win a lawsuit against someone who published a long article talking about why he was functionally retarded, even if it isn’t true, whereas an average citizen could much more easily win such a suit if the claim were false.

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[quote]ZEB wrote:
Elkhntr1 wrote:
I think your point is plausible Zeb, just as I think you can be born that way.

Remember the movie American Beauty with Kevin Spacey? Remember the Marine Corp Colonel?

Do you think that some that get all hell bent for leather fired up over this could be suppressing their own latent homosexual impulses that they were born with?

Can you say “well sure he won’t be in heaven with me and will be cast in a lake fire, but while he’s here on earth sharing this existence with me, he and his partner can share health benefits and if they are responsible adults adopt a baby wasting away in an orphanage,”. Are is it your christianly duty to make sure he or she suffers in this life as well as the next?

As far as anyone “suffering” in this life, it’s certainly not my choosing. If it were up to me everyone would be quite happy and content.

Elk, have you ever noticed that (at least here on earth) we sort of make our own Heaven and Hell?

Do you know why that is?

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, Choice, right Zeb, but that isn’t the all encompassing answer you think it is. What if you were born Jewish in Germany during the Holocaust. That would include circumstance.

And for gays that live in an area of extreme prejudice that is not a matter of choice, but the unfortunate circumstance of being surrounded by ignorance therefore making their life hell!

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[quote]Janoski wrote:
not too mention I bet God hates bigots and racists alot more than gays[/quote]

preach it Brother Janoski

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Whatever the cause is its still not a choice to “remain” gay. In other words whatever the reasons are for the way you are they have to be powerful because there is no way your gonna just choose anymore then someone who is depressed can choose not to be.

If you think a gay person can choose to be straight then you are saying that you can choose to gay.

Anyone out there who is straight and believes it is a choice willing to say they could have sex with a member of the same sex if the choose to?

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[quote]ddp wrote:
Ok, since I’m sure there is at least one other Gay T-Mag reader out there (other than just me) that is also looking at this thread much like we would look at a train wreck…

First of all, I don’t give a shit if I like boys because it is genetic or social, or a little bit of both, or if I choose to or if its an innate part of my existance. I JUST DO.

Secondly, I REALLY don’t care if the Bible says I am a sinner because I like dick or not. It probably does, after all when Christianity was gaining power in Europe and other parts of the world, often the poly-theistic religions were not only gay friendly, but were lead by trans-genders (you know someone part man part woman who could represent all of humanity, rather than a male god).

So its highly likely a religion trying to replace another popular religion would demonize the leaders of the older religion (also while adopting some of their fabulous style, doesn’t anyone else think the pope dresses a bit fruity?)

What I do care about, is having gotten bashed a couple of times, being afraid as hell growing up in a small conservative town, even as I was a star athlete and very lucky to not be all that flamboyant. Having threats to other gay people who have adopted kids that they would be taken away, never being sure if I meet someone, what they would really think of me, if they knew… reading horribly offensive bullshit on forums for manly me about how I can get bigger muscles…

well you get the picture.

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How perfectly ironic that the biggest balls on t-mag are attached to a gay man. Great post, and yes, totally fruity.

Sabrina

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I don’t really give a rat’s ass if being gay is a choice or not. The kind of attitude that those fuckers on the front page have shown is completely fucked up. They could spend their time helping the sick, poor or homeless, you know, actually HELPING folks, but instead they spend their precious time on Earth inciting hatred towards their fellow man.

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[quote]If that were the case and you added up all of the times that you mischaracterized others view points you would be quite wealthy indeed!
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Zeb, come on, you are the king of mischaracterization and misquote.

Hell, if you were paying attention, you’d see that I was simply referring to the use of the word – especially since I’ve been given a hard time simply for using it in the past.

You do understand the concept of royalties don’t you? Are you getting your knickers in a knot over this subject or something?

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ZEB, would you be for a law that would prevent homosexuals from being teachers or working in child-care facilities? Or how about living with in a certain distance of these places? Would you want one to be your child’s doctor? Counselor?

Where’s the love?

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After looking at the website, I thought that they might be guilty of :

  • Defamation and Invasion of Privacy (chap 4)
  • Provocation to Anger and Words That Wound (chap 6)

what convinced me was this :
“Your Pastor Is A Whore” on this webpage
http://www.godhatesfags.com/photos/thisyear.html

But they keep on doing it…

So I clearly haven’t understood this whole “freedom of speech” thing.

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I’m starting to think this whole forum should be called “Recycle Bin”… I think many people here need to read this page to learn a thing or two:

In the meantime…

It amazes me that people actually still think of homosexuality as a black-and-white gay-or-straight genetic-or-choice thing – even though Kinsey’s studies, for example, are widely known: Alfred Kinsey - Wikipedia

People are not faxes. We have plenty of shades of gray, and many colors too.

Even if the outcome is very binary and can be considered a “choice” (you can choose to have – or NOT have – consensual sex with people of the same gender), the reasons why you make (or feel compelled to make) that choice are far from binary. And hence, because we are not omniscient, any judgment we make on that choice will be, inevitably, bigoted.

So, how about being less judgmental?

For the ones that are in desperate need to dispense some moral advice, try instead teaching kids how to not get (somebody) pregnant when they’re still in high school. That’s a very serious binary outcome right there.

And no, telling them to abstain doesn’t count. Just remember when YOU were in high school and think back how all those hormones felt. If that’s not enough, if you’re a Christian think of it this way: if forbidding (anything) didn’t work for Adam and Eve, why should it work for our kids? Besides the peer pressure (then the snake, now the “friends”!) telling them to abstain makes it a challenge – and all that much more exciting – to actually have unprotected sex as quickly as possible…

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[quote]Disc Hoss wrote:

I am a Christian. Homosexuality is a choice and a sin. I have two friends who are gay. I tell them the truth and I tell them in a kind concerned manner. Because I care about them. BUT I do not condone what they do, just as I have friends who are dishonest in business dealings. I tell them, in the love and truth of Christ, that there will be consequences of all that we do both in this life and that to come. I don’t brow beat them. I offer it to them. This should not be confused with tolerance in the PC world. They will answer to Christ, not me. My job is to teach the truth in love. End job. Jesus hung out with liars, losers, prostitutes, and other undesirables. BUT he loved them all too much to leave them as they were…which is broken. He loves people, and THAT is precisely why He came. To set people free from the spiritual/psychological bondage of a sin nature.
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It is so simple isn’t it? It breaks my heart how people like those in the pictures can single-handedly wipe out the credibility of Jesus and his true followers.

I wish that I could get everyone who has messed up perceptions of Christianity to just read one of the Gospels all the way through (the Gospel of Mark is my personal favorite) and see who Jesus really was. I think it would shock many people who are repulsed by the church they see in the media just how drawn they are to the true Jesus.

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[quote]Elkhntr1 wrote:
ZEB wrote:
Elkhntr1 wrote:
I think your point is plausible Zeb, just as I think you can be born that way.

Remember the movie American Beauty with Kevin Spacey? Remember the Marine Corp Colonel?

Do you think that some that get all hell bent for leather fired up over this could be suppressing their own latent homosexual impulses that they were born with?

Can you say “well sure he won’t be in heaven with me and will be cast in a lake fire, but while he’s here on earth sharing this existence with me, he and his partner can share health benefits and if they are responsible adults adopt a baby wasting away in an orphanage,”. Are is it your christianly duty to make sure he or she suffers in this life as well as the next?

Until we know exactly why someone becomes a homosexual I don’t think it’s a good idea to entrust a child to their care.

With all the ugliness in this world you still want to cling to primitive beliefs. How many kids are abused in orphanages by hetero pedophiles? How many children are abused by their natural parents whether sexually or physically? How many are raising themselves in squalid conditions because of drug addicted parents?

But, you wouldn’t want them to go to a stable gay couple. That kind of thinking is retarded. Similar to not wanting abortion yet not wanting to give kids sex education or condoms. Why don’t you come out of the dark ages Zeb?[/quote]

Perhaps you could give a little more thought before you post.

Is there a such thing as a “stable Gay couple?” No one knows that for sure do they? Do you have studies to back up your foolish diatribe? No, I guess not, but you are politically correct and hey that counts for something around here.

In fact you are sooo politically correct that you simply have a disdain for those who hold traditional values. I sort of consider your “dark ages” comment a compliment, knowing how you feel about current issues…so thanks!

Firstly, as I suggested (and I think everyone agrees) we don’t know why people become homosexuals. If we don’t know why then would you want to place children in a “homosexual couples” home? Is this a good environment? The jury is still out on this one.

Try to hold back all of the liberal catch phrases until you actually have some research to bear them out. That would be research, as in science. Do the politically correct need that, or can they simply spout off?

Until all the facts are in (if they can ever be in) I’ll stick to tradition.

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hspdr:

Please post more Kinsey reports I need a good laugh!

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Gee Elk I was simply asking you a question as to why you thought that might be the case. You are getting all defensive on me.

Ignorance? Enlightenment? I guess it all depends on your beliefs.

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“Kinickers in a knot” I like that one.

No vroom I just assumed that this was the part of the thread where you begin your snide remarks directed at me and we fight.

If it isn’t then kindly refrain from your usual crap and the rest of us (you included) can continue on topic.

I thank you,

Zeb