Please name all the progressive policies you can think of that have generated a good net outcome. I’m not trying to be combative, I truly cannot think of any.
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I guess I was trying to more say it is really hard to tell if the policy was good or bad, because we have a lack a way to tell. So I am not saying it is good or bad, just that I don’t think we can come to a conclusion on if it was good or bad.
We know that most of these policies don’t get the intended result. That is clear. But I think it is reasonable to think it could be worse without the policy.
I think the earned income tax credit is good though. I’d be in support of increasing that program’s funding. Another would be school lunch programs.
Should we pay tax dollars that have no return on investment because we are nice? I don’t think so.
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The answer to your questions is: Progressives don’t believe members of other races have the capacity to understand their races’ wrongs, but Progressives(having replaced God with Progressivism, and being of powerful mind) atone for the wrongs of their race by blaming other white people for everything.
That’s one of those funny names, because such a thing would not require increased funding.
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IIRC, it does indeed pay for itself plus some. I guess allocate more for it would fit better.
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“Earned income tax credit” would not require that either. If it’s a tax credit, it would just be not taking that money. What it actually is, is redistribution.
I think you’re going to have to use specifics if this is your argument. Generally speaking, sure it could be worse if we did nothing, but what exactly are we talking about?
The black family was FAR better off before welfare became a thing. Could it have been worse? Sure, but the evidence doesn’t support that.
I see what you mean now.
I think we would want to switch “credit” to “rebate” in that case. A rebate can exceed the tax owed. A credit can only reduced owed taxes.
It is a redistribution, which I am usually skeptical about, but I believe in this case the policy has the incentives set up correctly. It encourages people to work which I think is good.
I guess my argument is that the fact that black families are doing worse since progressive policy doesn’t support that progressive policies have caused that effect. It is a correlation, but I am not convinced of causation. It might be the cause, might be partially the cause, it might be something different… IDK.
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I think this is a bit of willful ignorance on your part, and on the part of most left-leaning individuals.
Either y’all aren’t reading the same book we are, or you’re purposefully reading the wrong page. I don’t mean for this to come off tribalistic, I mean this as it’s a near-refusal to look at the world the way it is, rather than how it should be.
Families of every race have suffered since the implementation of progressive policies like welfare.
To say that we don’t know why families are suffering while supporting policies that DIRECTLY affect the family unit is just plain dumb.
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I guess I think it it more complicated than it may appear to be.
I don’t want to come off as saying that I know the answers. I don’t see how so many people are very convinced of their position though.
I’ll just give an example here. In the 90s, we started to see a decline in crime. Many of people jumped to conclusions saying it was better police policies, putting away the bad guys for longer, etc… Those explanations people were confident about seemed to add up. They made common sense. They were mostly wrong though. The best explanation was found by an economist who looked at the event from lots of different perspectives, and quantified those. Turned out the biggest factor was the Roe decision. IIRC, birth control being available in the 50s played a significant role as well. Unwanted children have a high probability of committing crimes.
All I am saying is something like a shift in culture (which has for sure occurred since the 60s) could make up a big part of that change we see in the graph. Another factor, is that it is just far more acceptable for a woman to be a single mother. My MIL is from the 50s, but her mother was a teenager who gave her up for adoption at birth. It is believed her parents had her go live with relatives until that point to hide that she was pregnant. Now, she would probably have raised the baby on her own, vs giving it up for adoption.
Just to be clear, I am not saying you’re wrong, just that I am not convinced. I think it is likely that policy is a partial factor (for the single mother thing). I don’t know how to quantify that though with so many changing variables. .
What exactly do you mean by this?
Great post, btw.
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I’m seeing correlation here. I’m not seeing causation. This is pretty weak evidence, and I think you know that.
I could draw a graph that shows the timeline of the civil rights, along with the stats of black children living with mother only, and I could make it look like ‘hey look what happened right after black people got more rights! BROKEN FAMILIES! CONNECT THE DOTS!’ I don’t think this graph is any better than that at demonstrating that progressive policies break up families. I need to see something more compelling.
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For the purposes of reparations, who is black? It’s a serious question if you plan to start handing out $200k+ per person. And I’m not even just talking about the complexities of biracial people. Race itself is not legally defined in a non-recursive objective manner. It’s not trivial to prove that person is not black, regardless of where they came from, what they look like, or who their parents were.
Basically those pushing ‘indigenous peoples’ as being celebrated for having some form of moral high ground due to their loss and/ or suffering at the hands of a superior force.
Nobody does that for indigenous peoples versus other indigenous peoples. They were absolutely ruthless when it came to killing their own kind, but all of a sudden when somebody else does it better it is a travesty.
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When you incentivize mothers to be single mothers, it is a negative impact on children.
Look at the statistics for how much the chance goes up for a child to go to prison (especially male children) with no father around.
Then look at the stats for single parent homes and compare it to incarceration rate.
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The mouse in the mouse trap thought it was being helped, look what happened
right, I think there’s an argument to be made there. I just think the graph he shared does a crappy job of it. That being said, I don’t think welfare ‘incentivizes’ single motherhood, moreso that it makes it more tolerable. It’s still not a good situation that people are particularly looking forward to. Welfare, in many instances can provide the means for a woman to leave, say, an abusive relationship as well. We can’t pretend that’s not a thing. So how much of the single motherhood data is directly because of ‘incentivization’… that’s unproven here.
Well of course this is true. I certainly wouldn’t argue that a single parent home is GOOD for any kid. There are serious problems there, specifically what you’re talking about here. I didn’t say anything about the IMPACT of the single parent situations, I was addressing the cause. We can all agree that fathers abandoning their children is a truly awful thing that does irreparable harm to children far too often.
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I think the compelling evidence you are looking for is right in front of you.
Throughout the vast amounts of progressive policies pushed, why have we not seen an improvement in societal outcomes? Do you think it likely that people, in general, would have done worse without the policies put in place? Do you really believe any of these policies have incurred a net good for the disenfranchised?
What has caused the disintegration of the nuclear family in the black family then?
Whites are quickly gaining ground on them too.
I think some of the things Brick has talked about previously are more relevant than welfare. Things like the sexual revolution in America. Societal values have changed in America for a lot of people, and I think that’s largely independent of any particular governmental policy.
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