Disney's Agenda Leaked

[planetcybertron]

@hustlinghat93

What if the stereotypes exist because of truth?

That justifies perpetuating it how though?

@hustlinghat93

you seem to be blaming society for people’s perception

Because it’s legit being consistently perpetuated. By society.

@hustlinghat93

thinking that perhaps the reason black women are viewed a certain way is because they do in fact act a certain way (not all of course).

They do. I’m not denying that nor have I. Again I’m saying why perpetuate it just because you see it? Why label just because you see it? Why stereotype just because you see it? That goes for ANY group(s) of people.

@hustlinghat93

The thing is there are black people all over the world so. I don’t live in the US, I live in London and was raised in a multi cultural environment and I have seen the behavior associated with black women that @lordgains mentioned and the “He can’t handle a real women” mentioned for black men dating white girls, for

I’m using the U.S. because this occurs heavily in the U.S., people reference it heavily concerning the U.S., because a lot of this stems from the darker past of the U.S.

@hustlinghat93

Is that due to racial issues in the US as well?
Does the fact I don’t live in the US mean the behavior I have seen first hand is irrelevant?

Yes. I have been saying that this entire time. It is a deeply rooted racial issue. Am I dismissing other instances of it elsewhere? No.

No it doesn’t make it irrelevant. That was not the point I was trying to make. I’m saying to focus on the stemming issues as it pertains to the U.S., would be a better way of viewing things/reaching some form of understanding.

And again, my whole overarching issue was why was this particular instance even brought up and likened to a behavior that can show within anyone? (The original comment made about not having to handle a partner who is throwing a tantrum.)

Again though. I don’t think I’m getting anywhere anymore, so as I mentioned to lordgains I think it’s best I just step back and dismiss myself here.

[lordgains]

I won’t keep the discussion up with you, I’m sorry. You wrote a discombobulated text wall to essentially say “the words you chose were not sensitive enough”. I’m expressing it very clear and where necessary as differentiated as needed.

@planetcybertron

overgeneralized statement

I did not overgeneralize. I even clarified that it’s not all black women. I know one very well for example which has been raised to be a feminine and does not exhibit one iota of the behavior I mentioned.

@planetcybertron

As if women from other ethnicities don’t say either the exact same thing, or things very similar. Because they do.

They don’t display the behavior in as high a proportion that it’s become a stereotype. I already said this.

@planetcybertron

Again we are saying pretty much the same thing here

We are not. I explained it. The stereotype exists for a reason.

Ok to sum it all up:
I made the point that some black women are stereotypically making the statements of black men not being able to handle them and being masculine. I provided evidence to the effect (and there is more and more if you just google it) that even came from black men and women therefore proving my point that some are doing it. Then you said the study does not prove that every black woman is doing it, which I never claimed. Then you said my statement was “hurtful” when instead you should have chosen the word “true” as it clearly is.

@planetcybertron

I’m saying seek to understand

I’m giving this back. Seek to understand your own community and problems in it. That’s the way to fix them. You are eganging in wishful thinking and do as if everyone just keeps quiet, the problem does not exist anymore. Just go to tiktok or Instagram and check how many black women there are who say exactly what I’ve written. There’s even a channel called “blackmencanthandlerealwomen”.

[lordgains]

I don’t mind you engaging but I think your post is not responding to the points I made. You talk about turning people straight, I talk about small children (where it has been proven several times now that it is possible to “turn” them gay) for example. I talk nature vs nurture, you don’t engage the point. The rest is fair, but I’ll wait for @flipcollar as I don’t have the time to discuss everything twice.

[lordgains]

@creative_name

What’s wrong with my intended life-path of going to college, becoming a surgeon, marrying a man, and adopting children?

All good, congrats on the achievements. I’d still like it better for you to pass those great genes on and have a heterosexual marriage, but in all honesty, I don’t care if you are gay, I care if my child becomes gay. There’s a difference here. I don’t have a direct stake in you (except for when you operate on my heart). I don’t think being gay is something to aspire to. It’s something that exists and that’s alright, but not something that’s a net positive for society.
If we are talking about adoption, if we just do single factor analysis, gay couples should be precluded but obviously a single factor analysis is the worst kind in societal issues, so being adopted by gay well off and ambitious parents can be very good for a child.

[planetcybertron]

@Andrewgen_Receptors

Thank you for taking the time to spell it out for me.

Anytime man. To be fair I know there’s quite a bit I can stand to put in. Of course it’s…a sensitive thing to talk about pretty much all of the time, but thank you for asking in the way you did. I’m not the gatekeeper of these things either though. I don’t know if I came off as that to you, but that wasn’t my intention. If you’d like to talk it about more you can always hit me up in my log. That’s usually where I stay most times anyways.

[flipcollar]

@lordgains

I dont know why you seemingly often argue the point that x is not happening when you are in favor of x happening anyways.

I can clarify then. The thing I’m NOT seeing is an attempt at CONVERTING young children to be gay. I’m also not expecting Disney films to be dominated by homosexual relationships. Those are the two basic premises I’m disagreeing with here. I wouldn’t be in favor of EITHER of those things happening, by any means.

@lordgains

here’s a clear trend here and even the executives said that they have a gay agenda. Just argue for the gay agenda instead of denying when you are in favor anyways, would be my advice for a productive and more honest discussion.

The problem with this is ‘the gay agenda’ is poorly defined. You act like there is a singular agenda that is, I guess, agreed upon by the whole community? That’s not a real thing. That would be like saying there’s a ‘white agenda’ or a ‘black agenda’ or a ‘straight agenda’. I think the ‘gay agenda’ encompasses a range of ideologies, and the fringe ones (like the idea of conversion/grooming) are ones that I disagree with.

Let’s also address the difference between conversations between execs in zoom meetings, and the actual content that’s been produced by Disney. I don’t, personally, give ANY fucks about what Disney execs, or execs of any company for that matter, say behind closed doors, even if those conversations are leaked to the public. I don’t agree with the ideology of the founder/execs at Chick Fila, but I eat that shit almost daily. I don’t particularly like Elon Musk, but I’d totally buy a Tesla. A handful of people who work for Disney who want the company to go in a particular direction that I don’t agree with doesn’t make me want to abandon the product, UNLESS that product actually ends up reflecting those values. And I’ll be more specific. I assume we’re talking about that one lady who has the 2 ‘non binary’ kids or whatever. I think she’s nuts, and a zealot for the type of gay agenda you’re talking about. And I don’t agree with her. If Disney films actually end up looking how I THINK she wants them to look, I would start avoiding Disney. But at the end of the day, she’s only one voice in the company, and as long as the actual Disney content is suitable, in my opinion, for my son, he can keep watching it. I watch most Disney (and other studios) content before my son does, or at least read about the content first.

@lordgains

My concern is that children are getting exposed to alternative sexual identities and lifestyles early and with the intention of instilling values in them in spite of parental vision.

Kids are exposed to fucking murder in tv/movies made for them. That doesn’t convert them to murderers, thiefs, arsonists, whatever you can come up with. And before you say ‘well its the bad guys doing the murdering’, that’s not always the case. I think murder is worse than gay, and I assume you would too. Yet, I’m not hearing any public outcry to remove violent crimes from children’s programming, on the basis that kids will be exposed and therefore become criminals. If your parenting is so fucking weak that your kid just does whatever he/she sees on TV, that’s a YOU problem.

@lordgains

I don’t want gay children.

And this is really the crux of our disagreement that we won’t get past, right? Your fundamental position is that gay is ‘wrong’ or immoral, or whatever. And we’re simply going to have to agree to disagree on that part. I’ve always been surprised that conservatives care so much about this issue, when on most other issues, the position is that they want to be left alone to do what they want to do, be who they want to be, etc. Homosexuality isn’t a crime, it’s not hurting anyone. If you don’t want a gay kid, I can understand that for a myriad of reasons. It’s a tough life. I would certainly prefer that my son is not gay, we can agree on that. But if my son WAS gay, I wouldn’t consider it any sort of failing on my part, nor would I hold it against him.

@lordgains

I would like for my children to have a heterosexual relationship that bears children and to have them inherit traditional gender roles.

And if you raise them with this intention, it will likely happen. Regardless of anything that they see on tv.

@lordgains

don’t want my children to have “top surgery” meaning cutting off healthy breasts and getting mutilated by surgeons to be sterile as to oppose their biological reality. I don’t want them to be suicidal because of identity crisis at a young age.

I wouldn’t want those things either. Also a part of why I separate the trans issues from gay. Being gay does NOT mean you’re going to get surgeries to make you look like the opposite sex. VERY big leap from one to the other.

An aside here: you’ve mentioned, in respect to the ‘gay agenda’ that trans and gay are being pushed equally, hand in hand. I’m really not here to agree or disagree with what other people are pushing for. You specifically asked me how I felt about my own family, and what I find to be objectionable or not in tv/film. So that’s really mostly what I’ve wanted to tackle here. I’m not here to speak for anyone but myself.

@lordgains

The point that it will make them gay is a reasonable position in my estimation as it is the goal of the “not so secret gay agenda” to promote alternative sexual lifestyles to impressionable children.

Yea, we just completely disagree here. It’s cool. No one else’s agenda is going to have that sort of influence on my son, no matter how much they want it to.

@lordgains

one can’t act against one’s sexual desires

I don’t believe this, so it’s a moot point. We have plenty of evidence that one CAN do this. I had a high school teacher with 3 kids who was gay. Hid it most of his life, did the family thing. He came out in his 60’s. I was happy for him, because he was happier. And his family supported him. He fought those impulses/desires for a lifetime. So clearly, one can do that. Doesn’t make it a good idea, but it can be done.

@lordgains

then what makes a pedophile a bad person? Why for example shouldn’t a pedophile enjoy child pornography?

The basic concept of consent. Big difference between two adults engaging in sexual acts that they both consent to, vs an adult exerting power/authority over a child who, by our societies defintions/laws, cannot give consent to such things. I strongly believe in protecting our children from predators, which is a basic tenant of pedophiles actions. That is not inherent to homosexual activity.

@lordgains

To be fair, in sex ads and condoms ads it makes medical and statistical sense to advocate to gays

you answered your own question here.

Also, I live in the US, and my opinions are pretty fundamentally grounded in American thought/society. The German Zeitgeist is very different from here, and I don’t think it’s reasonable to assume ‘well it’s happening in Germany, it will happen in the US too’. That’s just not how societies work. We don’t all end up in the same place.

@lordgains

ou think these people are reasonable, they are not

I don’t think this particular person is reasonable. And because she’s not, she will likely not get her way. She’s advocating for things that would essentially tank the company. Clearer heads will prevail. Or, they won’t, and I’ll abandon Disney content.

@lordgains

If you look at their position, I don’t think you are that much closer to them than to my other extreme.

Right. And I’m glad I had the opportunity to clarify this as well. I’m NOT an extremist. And I don’t think Disney content is extreme either. I suppose we’ll both see what the future holds, as far as that content goes. I understand your concern, I just don’t see Disney going in the direction you expect them to, because the American market simply doesn’t want that. Disney, at the end of the day, is not run by the creative folk who dream up the ideas for movies. They have bosses who are ALL about the money, and those people will nix the truly poor ideas that the creatives bring to the table.

[lordgains]

I agree with a whole lot of things you wrote.

A few things I want to clarify it add.

@flipcollar

I don’t believe this, so it’s a moot point. We have plenty of evidence that one CAN do this. I had a high school teacher with 3 kids who was gay. Hid it most of his life, did the family thing. He came out in his 60’s. I was happy for him, because he was happier. And his family supported him. He fought those impulses/desires for a lifetime. So clearly, one can do that. Doesn’t make it a good idea, but it can be done.

He likely hid it until the children were grown up. Very noble. Also I would “hide” it until I die, I put quotation marks around it as I don’t think he hid it. He had some improper thoughts and did not act on them. I think it’s the right thing to do. He decided to have a family instead. I think that’s the right way for people who feel attraction towards the same sex. I don’t act on all my desires and thoughts and yes, I equate the two.

My point was against the point often brought up by the LGB345 community, that they are born this way (untrue) and can’t act differently (untrue).

@flipcollar

The basic concept of consent. Big difference between two adults engaging in sexual acts that they both consent to, vs an adult exerting power/authority over a child who, by our societies defintions/laws, cannot give consent to such things. I strongly believe in protecting our children from predators, which is a basic tenant of pedophiles actions. That is not inherent to homosexual activity.

No. You answered a straw man. My question is what makes a pedophile bad if you follow the logic of the alphabet people, not what makes a child rapist bad. A pedophile is someone feeling attracted to pre pubertal children. He does not have to have sex with them to be a pedophile. That’s why I clearly wrote: why shouldn’t there be child AI porn for predophiles, after all it’s not their fault that they wanna fuck kids (being facetious here, I think it is their fault)?

My fear which I expressed here, is that all sexual desires will eventually be treated equally. I don’t think gay is equal to hetero and I don’t think pedo is equal to gay, but it is a logically untenable position to say this when you believe the arguments of the LGB(€@- community.

As you clarified that you don’t believe in their argument that desire is destiny, this makes this irrelevant to our argument.

@flipcollar

Yea, we just completely disagree here. It’s cool. No one else’s agenda is going to have that sort of influence on my son, no matter how much they want it to.

I hope you are able to keep it from affecting him. I see masses of young children (<13 yo) partying it up at the gay events and on every single Friday. Carrying rainbow flags and identifying as non binary. 20% of Americas youth now identifies as non-binary. That’s a big reason why I see it as paramount that we don’t propagate gay any further. It already has a huge detrimental effect on western society.

@flipcollar

I’ve always been surprised that conservatives care so much about this issue, when on most other issues, the position is that they want to be left alone to do what they want to do, be who they want to be, etc.

We care about the issue because we are not left alone. Gay culture has completely infested every street of my city. If I’d stay here, there’d be a zero percent chance that my child would not be exposed to it and likely affected by it. If LGB-/:; people keep shoving this stuff down our throats, then there is pushback. Conservatives let people be gay, but they don’t think it’s a moral good. I’d also let my neighbor bang my other neighbors wife without trying to outlaw it, but that doesn’t mean it’s a moral good. I would also not let him bang my wife which is the same as them trying to get to my children with their values.

@flipcollar

I’m NOT an extremist.

I’m glad. You are very reasonable. I still don’t think that homosexuality should be brought up in childrens movies and I won’t let my kids watch these. I think this should be completely left to the parents to explain and put into context without companies forcing it on them early, but if the executives or bosses are of your opinion, then I could see America and Disney not falling apart.

I guess we just disagree on the severity of the impact on children (I think it’s noticeable, you think not) and on the trajectory for Disney (I think it’s headed for leftist utopia, you don’t think so) and finally, that gay is not worse than hetero (I think so, but I don’t think people should not be allowed to be gay, I just don’t want my children to become gay. Apparently you don’t want them either, so you see there’s a difference. You may not think it’s a moral difference but apparently still a difference that makes you not want it.)

[flipcollar]

@lordgains

No. You answered a straw man. My question is what makes a pedophile bad if you follow the logic of the alphabet people, not what makes a child rapist bad.

You brought up viewing child pornography. For child pornography to exist, a child must be raped. So that’s how I came to that. If we are talking specifically ONLY about the thoughts a pedophile has, and said pedophile does not act on them, INCLUDING not viewing child pornography, then no immoral action occurred. I don’t believe in the concept of a ‘thought crime’. So in other words, if an adult is attracted to children, but they never act on it in any way, they’re fine in my book. They are troubled, and they have urges they shouldn’t act on. As long as they don’t, cool. The difference between pedophiles and gay people would then be, in my opinion, that acting on those urges is fine for a gay person, but not for a pedophile, for the reasons I previously outlined (consent).

@lordgains

why shouldn’t there be child AI porn for predophiles

Well, no, you didn’t include the AI part in your response to me. Maybe you said it elsewhere, but you only referred to child pornography in general when you responded to me. I’m not going to get into the AI thing, it’s not a thing I’ve ever considered, and I also don’t know if pedophiliac adults who engage in such things are more or less likely to act out in ‘real life’. My initial thought, however, is that if statistically, one can demonstrate that IF a pedophiliac adult who watches AI child porn is less likely to rape a child in real life than he would be otherwise, I would likely support that, for obvious reasons. Less child rape = good.

@lordgains

My fear which I expressed here, is that all sexual desires will eventually be treated equally.

This is a common conservative fear, essentially a ‘slippery slope’ argument. I rarely buy into slippery slopes, and I don’t here.

@lordgains

It already has a huge detrimental effect on western society.

what, specifically, is the detriment, if you don’t mind me asking? From a propagation of the species perspective, we clearly are not at risk. Plenty of babies are being born, the species isn’t about to die out. What about all these youths claiming non-binary status is hurting society, or you? I think there are good arguments here you can make, but I’m curious as to what, specifically, is concerning you about this, other than just not liking that people are gay. I’m asking for tangible things.

@lordgains

I see masses of young children (<13 yo) partying it up at the gay events and on every single Friday.

I’ll also say this is a perspective I don’t have, because it’s not really a thing here. First of all, I don’t see masses of young children anywhere aside from parks and school, lol. Perhaps it IS a big problem in Germany, in a way that it’s not in the US. But that being said, I’ve been to ‘gay events’/ gay clubs. I’ve been to the Gay Pride Parade in Dallas several times. Worn rainbow beads, partied with gay people. They have a good time. I have not engaged in any sort of homosexual activity at any point in my life. Partying with ‘the gays’ does not mean you suddenly become gay, lol. Which, again, lends to my perspective that exposure does not lead to conversion.

@lordgains

I still don’t think that homosexuality should be brought up in childrens movies and I won’t let my kids watch these.

And at the end of the day, that’s the cool thing about parenting. It is, after all, up to you. Plenty of stuff out there to watch that doesn’t have anything gay in it, lol. I don’t think anyone should show their kids stuff that they don’t want to expose their kids to. If you’re not comfortable with it, don’t. Certain Disney will simply be an option for those of us who think such movies can be a tool for educating our children.

@lordgains

without companies forcing it on them early

yea, I mean again, no one’s FORCING you to watch anything. There are Amish communities (and others, that’s just who comes to mind) that prohibit television in general within their communities. There is a ‘right’ community for everyone, particularly in America. If I wanted to isolate myself and my child from basically anything I want to, it’s available here. If I don’t want to live in a city with gay people, fuck it. I can move. I think this gets forgotten sometimes, how much freedom we have to do what we want to do if we really care about something. At the end of the day, YOU are CHOOSING to live where you live, and you tolerate the gay culture there because you find enough value in all the other things your particular city has to offer to offset the things you don’t like, right?

@lordgains

You may not think it’s a moral difference but apparently still a difference that makes you not want it.

Sure. But it’s the same reason I wouldn’t want to be black. Or Jewish. Or a woman. Or gay. I wouldn’t want those things because I know that society treats all these groups as ‘less than’ a heterosexual white male. I absolutely prefer being in the group that gets all the best societal benefits. It’s made my life so much easier. If it weren’t the case that these demographics struggled against prejudices, then I wouldn’t hold this opinion.

[lordgains]

@flipcollar

Well, no, you didn’t include the AI part in your response to me.

I checked you are right. I somehow must have deleted or I forgot to put it in. My bad.

[lordgains]

@flipcollar

I wouldn’t want those things because I know that society treats all these groups as ‘less than’ a heterosexual white male.

I feared you having only that argument. That’s a shame. I hoped you were if the opinion for obvious other reasons. After all you said “a myriad” of other reasons.

My post was the last one on the topic. It costs me way too much time to type this stuff out. I remember why I’m never engaging in this sub forum. I’ll keep it that way again.

[flipcollar]

@lordgains

After all you said “a myriad” of other reasons.

I could go into others, but I am curious why this is a bad one?

[lordgains]

I don’t agree with the premise at all. I believe women currently have it the best in society, no downfalls, all benefits. Black people increasingly get benefits that white people don’t. Clearly statistically it’s worse to be black than white economically, but that is to the largest extent due to individual choice and behavior and some other factors.

[flipcollar]

We have very different life experiences then.

I’m only 38 years old, I was in school waaay after school Integration was supposed to be done. And the schools I went to were largely segregated classrooms, all the way back to kindergarten. And I can promise you, the resources available to the minorities in my school were significantly inferior to what I had. This had NOTHING to do with ‘individual choices’. We’re talking about 5 year olds here.

But, I am in Texas and you are in Germany. So it shouldn’t be surprising that traditionally minority/oppressed groups are not experiencing the same things here vs there. I will simply take your word for it, as far as your own country is concerned. Those things don’t hold true here.

[creative_name]

@hustlinghat93

First of all thanks for contributing in the convo and being open to a potentially hostile environment

Thanks everyone for having me, I guess. Pretty much everyone on the site does a decent job of remaining cordial, which tends to make things go pretty smoothly.

@hustlinghat93

a theory about sexuality which is that we are all born with a ‘pre-set sexuality’ of bisexual […] and we subconsciously pick our sexuality at a very young age.

I find that idea very interesting. Is it something you developed yourself, or heard about somewhere? If it’s the latter, could you point me in the right direction? I enjoy reading about this stuff.

I tend to lean more in the “nature” direction for the nature/nurture debate here, although I don’t think its 100% one or the other. We’ve already found some physical traits with an (albeit weak) coloration with sexuality, I just don’t think we understand enough yet to fully define the influences. As an aside, that’s probably a good thing. The minute we can decisively say “x, y, & z made this person gay,” a group will emerge demanding that society end x, y, & z. Gene therapy could even end up being involved - eugenics, basically.

@hustlinghat93

But may I ask when did you first realise you were gay?

Yeah, that’s sort of a messy question. A lot of the telltale signs were there very early on (“sensitive” as a child, mostly female friends in elementary school, very prudish over discussing relationships/sex, and little interest in actually doing either. I can’t point to a sudden “lightbulb” moment where it became apparent, but I was definitely sure of it by around the time I entered high school. Long story short, I had a sense of being “different” pretty early on (like you mentioned,) and was a fairly late bloomer in terms of it actually manifesting sexually.

@hustlinghat93

I am of the opinion that the more we normalize alternate sexualities for children to see, the more children who feel like they don’t fit in will gravitate to those sexualities (if that makes sense).

If I assume for a moment that your initial theory is true, then yes, that seems like the logical conclusion. I’m not sure if I agree with the theory itself, though, so I’m curious to see what evidence there is for it.

[creative_name]

@lordgains

(where it has been proven several times now that it is possible to “turn” them gay)

I’m not asking this in bad faith - can I see the proof you’re talking about here? I tend to imagine that the research required to find this would be highly unethical.

[mnben87]

@lordgains

Also I would “hide” it until I die, I put quotation marks around it as I don’t think he hid it. He had some improper thoughts and did not act on them. I think it’s the right thing to do. He decided to have a family instead. I think that’s the right way for people who feel attraction towards the same sex.

Kinda hard to say as a straight guy in my estimation.

If it was my kid, who had that choice make (be gay or hide it and have a family), I’d say to do what he thought would made him the happiest.

I’d feel a bad for his spouse though if he went for the latter (especially if he did not reveal being gay to her).

@lordgains

20% of Americas youth now identifies as non-binary.

What percent of this is girls who identify as non-binary, but really only date men, maybe kiss a girl at a party or something, but other than stating it are basically straight women? I tend to think that type of thing (or similar) is a good chunk of that 20%.

@lordgains

@flipcollar

I wouldn’t want those things because I know that society treats all these groups as ‘less than’ a heterosexual white male.

I feared you having only that argument. That’s a shame. I hoped you were if the opinion for obvious other reasons. After all you said “a myriad” of other reasons.

A few reasons I have. We tend to want our children to be like us. For most people with children that is straight. Many of us want to have grandchildren if we have children. That is less likely with children who are not straight.

@creative_name

We’ve already found some physical traits with an (albeit weak) coloration with sexuality, I just don’t think we understand enough yet to fully define the influences.

And @hustlinghat93, I have read about finger ratios being correlated to sexuality. Kinda interesting stuff. T-nation has a few articles on it. At this point I find it interesting. Not hard science.

T Nation Content

I think there is a natural component to it. I also don’t think everyone is either straight or gay. I think it is possible to be just straight or just gay, but I also think a spectrum between is fairly likely. It’s possible to be mostly straight, mostly gay, or right in the middle.

[Bauber]

@flipcollar

And I can promise you, the resources available to the minorities in my school were significantly inferior to what I had. This had NOTHING to do with ‘individual choices’. We’re talking about 5 year olds here.

Obviously, a child can’t make choices, but their parents did.

[flipcollar]

@Bauber

Obviously, a child can’t make choices, but their parents did.

not sure what you mean by this… it was the neighborhood public school. Are you saying they should have lived in a different neighborhood? That seems like a pretty shitty solution.

EDIT: but also, even if we assume their parents made bad decisions to land them in public school in a Dallas suburb… you still have to deal with the problem that these kids are now going to get a crap education, and you’re STILL dealing with a vicious cycle for when they grow up and have shit resources to do anything with their lives.

[Bauber]

I thought you meant resources from home.

Having married into a family heavily into the public education system on various levels, in my opinion no matter how much money you toss at education in the formative years - without parental involvement the outcome is not going to be very good.

[flipcollar]

@Bauber

I thought you meant resources from home.

I mean, they got the teachers that didn’t give a fuck, less access to technology in classrooms, etc. Sorry that wasn’t clear, I can see how that was ambiguous.