It is low, but it is increasing. I quoted you earlier and agree with you when you said you haven’t seen anything that would prevent your child from watching Disney. I don’t think I’ve seen anything myself that screams ‘bad for kids’. Agreed. Plus, I’m sure we’d hear about it before it even came out on screen to be honest. The Disney executive video as well as future content narratives DOES concern me a bit. It tends to snowball and now that this stuff is being ‘checked’ by people like Desantis in which the left doesn’t like it. Well, as @mnben87 said about pendulums swinging it appears we are indeed seeing the over-correction.
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Sarcasm?
They’re just two fish-human hybrids that want to carpool on a vespa. Nothing out of the norm there at all
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No. $1.47 is enough to get any politician’s attention, even the governor of a large state.
Personal opinion, I think he’ll more than make that up in small donations from his base. I’m sure they’re eating this all up. The campaign ads write themselves.
I think Disney’s love for money should ease your concerns. Their target audience is little girls mostly (seems it used to be a bit more gender neutral, with stuff like the Lion King, Jungle Book, etc.). Little girls want more Elsa and stuff like that. Frozen wouldn’t make them a billion dollars if it was two dudes in the story (for the record I have not seen the movie, I am assuming there is some sort of prince involved though). Most little girls still want the princess and prince story.
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For sure. This has been something we’ve agreed on in this thread. If I remember right, it was suggested by one or more of the people in the zoom call that 50% of Disney characters should be gay. That’s ridiculous. I’m just talking about what ACTUALLY exists in Disney content. And I just don’t see this ‘agenda’ actually being put into action. You and I will be on the same page if Disney suddenly makes half of their characters gay. I just put more stock in what I’ve actually seen in movies/shows than what I see in a zoom call.
I know. But you also said previously that the gay community is overly represented in Disney content. I can ask again: A) do you still believe this to be the case, and B) do you have any problem with proportionate representation?
I don’t really know what this means. How many Disney characters are ‘normal’? lol.
But lets take LeFou as an example. He was not gay in the animated version, he was in the live action version. He was still essentially the same person in both versions, it’s not like they made him ridiculously more ‘flamboyant’ in the live action version. His identity didn’t really change. From my Disney-memory, the only character I can think of that is pretty obviously/flamboyantly gay is the one from the new Cruella movie. And that’s a PG 13 movie, clearly not intended for young children in the first place.
Side note: you mentioned JoJo Siwa earlier. She’s not Disney, she’s Nickelodeon.
Sure. But that’s not a thing Disney has done. As far as I’m aware. What Disney character would you be referring to with this? If you don’t actually have an example, this is a strawman.
Yep. I would say in that movie, it wasn’t really clear one way or the other. When I watched it, it didn’t really occur to me that they could be/ were gay, it was only upon reading reactions to the movie online, and watching it again, that I got that. Meaning, it clearly wasn’t their identity, per se, just a potential aspect to the relationship.
The gays think elsa is a lesbian. Just letting you know.
Also, Raya and Nataari in “Raya” are supposidly lesbian. I’d believe it for Nataari though - she’s got that half-shaved head thing going on.
I think it’s a habitual attempt at calming, in response to some of the exaggerated rhetoric like how an adult might do with a child
I was playing Mario kart in elementary school and my mom was passing by right at the intense moment where I was soooo close, but failure
Not total failure where you slam the controller to the ground, but the kind where you exhale that angry sigh or something more minor. Can’t remember exactly what I did for her to notice the upsetting, but what she said:
Well if it bothers you, don’t play it
She didn’t understand tho, haha
It’s natural to try to remind people of a larger context when the pain of a particular thing is considered to be too much, which relates to the exaggerated rhetoric
But in this case a boycott would be more extreme than letting off some steam online.
Well a boycott would definitely be a “serious society” kind of response, but you don’t get to any boycotts without serious conversations first.
I would say that boycotting Disney over this would be very powerful if enough people did it but the problem is when would the boycott stop? When they leak videos of saying they’re sorry?
So, no, but yeah it’s a problem when something like this gets made public and short term bafoonery ensues and then it’s quickly forgotten
Elon Musk or Donald Trump or Desantis can’t save us - it’s on each of us to raise the bar. An important thing here is to check yourself (not specifically you, Brickhead) to make sure you actually could explain to your wife and kids why a boycott is necessary
I’m not saying it is necessary or called for
I’m saying is your family in tune enough if it were?
(And I hope no one actually answers me)
If not then that’s the bigger problem.
Especially if they are like 5, I’m not talking about teenagers or older.
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Don’t forget Disney owns both Marvel and Star Wars now. I agree with the premise of your post though. The almighty dollar ultimately rules. If the board decides Disney’s current trajectory doesn’t deliver shareholder value, they’ll vote in new management.
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My ex wife had half her head shaved for a few years while we were married. That’s definitely not a thing that’s gay-exclusive.
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A) In the sense that there’s a LGBT character in pretty much every new Disney movie and they are trending towards more openly gay stuff, yes - I believe this to be the case.
B) Not at all
Fair enough, I never paid attention to the finer details - just knew to change the station.
True, but I will refer to my previous mention of this trending towards more frequent and more openly gay characters such that it likely is overrepresented comparative to the general population. Agree that it is strawman, but I believe it is only strawman for now.
It seems like a common post-breakup, temporarian lesbian-type haircut tbh
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That’s definitely not true. Look at the last 10-20 Disney movies that are either G or PG rated, and count the gay characters. (I’m assuming we’re not including things like Marvel/Star wars content, or content that isn’t meant for children, but you’re welcome to use those too if you want).
I think your presumption that it’s in ‘pretty much every new Disney movie’ is based more on feelings than fact. You won’t be able to find a definitively LGBT character in even half of the last 10-20 Disney movies.
I lol’ed
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Here’s another thought. If it were about representation of real life in childrens content, many of the gay characters would be ambiguous about it. I only know a few gay people who are really overt about it in real life.
I had no idea if the gay guy I work with was even gay until he showed up with his partner at a work party. I suspected, but wasn’t sure.
Why?
Because we don’t get paid to talk about our sex lives at work, which is all anyone is really asking from the teachers. Keep the focus on school.
Like Pink Floyd so famously said…
Hey Teacher. Leave those kids alone!
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Considering America is largely comprised of stunted adult children who can’t deal with societal issues with foresight, wisdom, discipline, and an understanding of human nature, I’m not surprised there is such a tactic, and why, speaking of Disney, most of its customers are now adults.
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I’ll have to mull over how I will express what I mean by this. I’ll try to get back to it.
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You raise a good point. I have one gay relative and one openly gay friend. You would not know the friend was at ALL. Not even the slightest. My relative you would probably suspect.
I guess I’ve never really thought of it until now, but it makes sense that there would be a huge internal pressure for “coming out” when the society shows so much hatred. It would be tiring to keep on trying to hide it I guess.
As society has changed, I would think that would too. Less external pressure, less internal pressure. Let it be a secret
Implanting and/or nurturing gender confusion in schools is not necessary or even helpful. It’s sad that it would appear to be. Don’t let it be a secret from parents
Yeah
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well, most of them are in Disney content. Even Le Fou, the most ‘openly’ gay character in a Disney film made for kids, is not obviously gay, we just get that from one scene in the movie. Elsa is ambiguous, Luca is ambiguous, etc. You’re pretty much making the argument that, at least to this point, Disney has done it ‘right’.
I never argued that they did it wrong in their past content. The concern is the intent expressed on the executive conference call regarding future content.
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I think this statement fairly sums up most of the concern on this thread tbh.
I haven’t watched the video since this thread started, but I did watch it at that point… But my memory is fuzzy on this point. Did the people in the video say they planned to introduce flamboyantly gay characters into their content regularly, or were they clear on what ‘version’ of gay would be prominent? From what I remember, the proposition was essentially that these LGBTQWRJKLQ characters would be more frequently introduced, but not specifically as… super duper gay.
yea, pretty much. It does seem like even the ‘leftists’ involved in this thread aren’t making an argument that Disney should actually produce the type of content that some of these execs are suggesting they want to see. It’s just boiling down to how much outrage/worries (or lack thereof) we have regarding behind the scenes zoom calls. I think we’re mostly agreeing that, at least to this point, Disney hasn’t done the things that Shapiro, or anyone else, is worried about.
And again, I’ll point out that if/when Disney goes super-gay with a feature film, it will be widely discussed well before the film is even released. Everyone is going to know about it, and if such a film doesn’t sit well with some parents, it will be easy enough to just not let their children see it. And if Disney decides that, like, everything they put out from now on is going to be super-gay, they’re just going to lose a lot of money. I THINK the people in charge there have more sense than that, and I can’t imagine this happening. Burke (and others) would lose their jobs pretty quickly if they directed the company to that end. Capitalism does win out at the end of the day.
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