It’s videos of multiple Disney execs talking about how they push their LGBTQ++*%^'EB agenda into Disney movies as much as they can. One of these slimy bastards has converted both her <10 year old sons into some other made up gender/sexual identity.
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It’s far worse than that. I was made trendy and fashionable. The problem is any medical intervention is permanent. And when the fad fades and the fashion wanes, there is going to be a whole bunch of people, who are permanently altered with a lot of regret.
While I don’t care what individuals do, I think it’s damn dangerous to push this fad on the unsuspecting, in the condition of captive audiences, where this is normalized, and what is normal is demonized. That’s where the problem is.
I personally don’t understand it. I would expect the regret numbers to be much higher, but the numbers do appear to be pretty low for regret. I would think a good amount of the MTF who end up looking like a dude with boobs and a dress, or the FTM that end up being 5’5" or under guys (probably a big shock going from a 5’2" female to a 5’2 male, and experiencing the treatment very short males receive) would be regretful.
I think we would see these results start falling apart if a longer timeframe was observed. Having regrets within the first 2 years sounds unlikely tbh, but I think 10-20 years later we would see a very different story (subjective).
Honestly, I’m glad these people are having a positive outcome from their surgeries; I don’t wish ill for them in any capacity. It’s only when they push their dysphoria onto children that I take issue with any of this.
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So I brought this up at the beginning of the thread, and now that I know you have a young kid in the house, I’m curious what you think about this. A) have you watched a lot of Disney movies/content with your kid, and B) have you actually seen evidence of this agenda in any of the content you have watched?
A) I watch some disney stuff with her, but between work, school, gym and cooking - I rarely have the time for a whole movie
B) Most of the ‘evidence’ is pretty blown up in comparison with what the content actually is, but what I recall: there was a character in the recent Dwayne Johnson movie who was gay, the Lightyear gay kiss, the gay dude in Cruella, and the dude that had the hots for Gaston in Beuty and the Beast. At least, that’s what I remember anyways. Oh, and not that my daughter has ever watched it, but JoJo Siwa or whatever that is - is super fucking gay.
There was another article that claimed like 45+ characters or something, but it was Buzzfeed so I chose a smaller list from a slightly more reputable source.
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Is the argument here that Disney shouldn’t have gay characters in their movies? If that’s the argument, find me a studio that doesn’t have any gay characters in any of their movies. This list is pretty useless to me if the premise is that Disney shouldn’t include gay characters at all. I definitely don’t see that as ‘pushing the LGBTQ agenda’.
EDIT: in other words, if one were to say Disney should eliminate gay characters entirely, what you’re actually doing is pushing an anti-gay agenda. I think THAT would be more problematic.
You’re opening up a whole can of worms here that we haven’t even started exploring. This is also problematic IMO, the wokeness in hollywood, but we are talking about children oriented content here from Disney.
Are we? I mean does it need representation in kids content period; based on the statistical amount of people who are in this group.
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Ensuring that there is disproportionate representation of LGBTQ+ characters in childrens movies (or any movies for that matter) makes it seem far more prevalent and normal than it really is. I would liken this to every commercial or citcom character grouping… 1 white, 1 hispanic, 1 asian, 1 black - but now one of them will be disabled and another will be gay.
I don’t have a problem with anyone that isn’t a straight white guy being in movies/commercials or whatever, it’s simply that these representations inaccurately represent the makeup of our country (I believe this is what @blshaw is getting at as well). This, of course, is an entirely different conversation, but relevant.
Agree, and that isn’t what I’m asking for either. If these people want to be seen as ‘normal’ then stop fucking celebrating EVERYTHING gay. Treating it normal is all I’m asking for; same goes for trans.
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To be clear to anyone who didn’t watch the video. The Disney executives made it 100 percent clear that their intentions are to dramatically increase depictions of these lifestyles in their content.
In other words, they make it clear that the current level of depiction is inadequate. This includes a Disney executive who has two kids, one trans and one pansexual, along with the personal urge to draw attention to this, which she believes is a good outcome for children.
If you want this for your kids, show them more of it. Talk to them about it. Explain why it is good, if you think it is. Explain all of the nuance of the adult world, as you understand it, that you see fit to communicate to your children. Validate whatever idea they have about themselves you feel is best, whether that’s being a cyborg, being a hockey player or being a girl.
Parent however you’d like, but don’t act shocked when parents don’t want any of it, not even a little bit of it, for their kids. Disney is easy enough to tune out, but public schools are not
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When the pendulum swings back, it doesn’t stop in the middle. What I mean by that, is that before recently (and still some today too), being openly gay often resulted in bad treatment, sometimes horrific. Now that it is generally seen as socially acceptable, they want to celebrate that.
I agree with you though. I’d prefer that we just treat people as equals. I am all for diversity in film, but manufactured diversity is just off putting to me. We don’t have to have every ethnicity or sexual orientation in every cast. Every movie doesn’t need to include a message of inclusion.
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Then you would have to show me that this is happening first. Is the representation of gay characters in Disney content higher than, say, 5ish percent? I think it’s pretty obvious that it isn’t, given the plethora (thousands and thousands) of Disney characters in existence, and the fact that we have 50ish gay ones, many of which were only possibly gay, not necessarily so. Which means that representation is not disproportionately high. I couldn’t find a Disney movie that had more than 2 gay characters, and most movies have zero.
I’d prefer to stick to the purported Disney agenda right now, if you’re going to move to ‘gay people should/shouldn’t act in X way’, that’s a different conversation. We can agree that the gay population doesn’t always act in a way that helps their own situations. That’s not really what this is about though.
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A few people did. I don’t know that these people have such power. I will withhold judgement on that aspect until I see it manifest in actual Disney content. I couldn’t give less of a fuck what a handful of wackadoos at ANY big company think. I’m pretty sure every company is full of people with crazy ideas that don’t actually make it to the consumer. Companies like Disney have checks and balances to ensure that no individual in the company (aside from the highest ranking execs, who aren’t in this video) don’t get unilateral power to push any particular agenda.
This whole conversation has supposedly been about making sure the content our kids see is appropriate. My kid is watching Disney movies, not Ben Shapiro youtube videos or Disney executive meetings. I want it to be clear that I DO NOT support the ideas promoted by the execs in the video. But as long as those ideas aren’t actually hitting the market, as long as my kid isn’t being exposed to anything I don’t want him to see, I’m totally fine with these idiots talking about whatever they want to talk about.
FWIW, I do screen every movie my son sees before he watches it, and if Disney puts out a movie that’s, say, pushing a trans agenda, or whatever, I’m positive I’ll be inundated with media telling me that’s the case. And then I may change my mind about Disney. But I won’t until that happens.
Fair enough, but if I were a betting man I think you’ll see some rather eyebrow-raising content soon. Or…
Maybe not much, if they think it will start hurting their bottom line. They’re publicly-traded, after all. However, these weren’t analysts at Disney on a random conference call, these were executives with what seems like rather broad authority, based on their own descriptions of the actions already taken both internally and in their content.
One of them was Karey Burk, the President of Disney, not an animation assistant or janitor. Proud mom of trans and pansexual kids. I get being proud of your kids, especially if they’re living the kind of life you want, but doesn’t that seem a little unusual to you? One out of five you can brush off to outside forces, but two makes me wonder if giving kids all of these ideas at such a young age isn’t simply putting more kids into this identity crisis.
Maybe you’re right, and these are just “A few people” with no real pull. I suppose we’ll see how the situation unfolds in 5 years if we can keep this thread going like the Trans Woman Takes First Place thread. That started with “you’re making a big deal out of nothing, bigot” and ended with…
A 43 year-old with a penis competing against a field of female competitors 15-20 years younger in the Women’s Olympics in the sport of weightlifting.
An ideal outcome, all would agree. Especially the ones who lost to Hubbard’s brave and beautiful performance as the best female weightlifter representing New Zealand. If those other girls are anything like Hubbard, they’ve got another 20 years left in their athletic prime to do what Hubbard did.
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Side note: I just got around to reading that ‘gay characters in disney’ list. It’s absurd. My favorites from the list are Jafar and Ursula. Quite the reach, there.
Do any of you think this is being done purely to push an agenda, or that they think it could help increase profits?
I think they’re one in the same, given the climate of most millenial and Gen X parents towards LGBTQ stuff
I think that’s a really good question. I think it has to be a little of both, plus it seems rather obvious to me that these people tend to shut out conservative or even just rational voices that run contrary to their deeply-held woke beliefs about the world.
You can say that it isn’t happening in Disney children’s programming to any concerning degree, and I’m still generally in that camp, but the trend line is pretty easily observable with Disney here.
This is what results in Disney making woke dumpster fires like Solo. How bad of a dumpster fire was it? It made a Star Wars movie that Star Wars fans didn’t want to watch. We will watch anything Star Wars. I watched Caravan of Courage a few months ago. Someone green-lit Lando Calrissian being sexually attracted to a woke feminist robot, not to mention an otherwise crappy Star Wars film that was crappy in no small part due to all of the other woke crap they injected into it.
You can also look at the massive disparities between reviewer score and audience score on the wokest crap being green-lit in major media today. Reviewers love woke crap that audiences hate.
The woke live in a bubble. I know because I have woke family who behave exactly like my Christian Fundamentalist cousins. @flipcollar Those cultists, the Christian ones I mean, are another Hoosier export of whack-job ideas to your state. You’re welcome!
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What % of the population do you think is gay?
What’s wrong with having gay characters and straight characters in children’s content?
Please read the thread as these questions have been asked and answered.
SMH… seriously. Again, read this thread before jumping in.
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