Are you serious? That looks like trolling now
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As stated many times very clearly across this thread, the answer to that question is yes. That seems to me to be exactly what is happening.
Iām sorry but it seems to me like youāre just mindlessly gaslighting without bothering to read anyoneās posts at this point. The fact that you asked that question illustrates this.
Enjoy the ride of parenthood!
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Then consider how terrible it would be for other people to implant that into your childās mind in secret, scare them about telling you, nourish that secret until itās too late
āSchools in Transitionā treats hesitancy about a studentās gender identity as prima facie wrong and potentially dangerous. A parentās skepticism is ālikely based on inaccurate or incomplete information about gender identity.ā It recommends keeping the GSP a secret from these parents, but in the long run, teachers should educate parents: āLearning that transgender youth experience these behaviors as rejection, and that these behaviors can have serious consequences for their children, often helps families change their behaviors.ā
The guide never considers that parents might know their children better than a school or nonprofit. Nor does it mention the potential harms of āaffirmingā care. Puberty blockers, testosterone and double mastectomies all entail huge consequences. For Gender Spectrum, itās unsafe to question these treatments.āSchools in Transitionā treats hesitancy about a studentās gender identity as prima facie wrong and potentially dangerous. A parentās skepticism is ālikely based on inaccurate or incomplete information about gender identity.ā It recommends keeping the GSP a secret from these parents, but in the long run, teachers should educate parents: āLearning that transgender youth experience these behaviors as rejection, and that these behaviors can have serious consequences for their children, often helps families change their behaviors.ā
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Iām talking about kids being made aware of different genders not being harmful.
Never said this other stuff wasnāt.
How so?
Youāre free to ignore and not answer.
Okay
I quoted your answer to the question from post 307
To which you responded in post 308:
To which I have said, in a sense, that you should look a bit harder first before arguing with someone elseās feelings, ironically
But hey, as long as you understand better now, thatās great
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Just instinct first of all
I couldnāt comprehend the purpose of asking, second, I guess.
Itās a different topic. Boys make up about half, girls make up about the other half, and trans make up a small amount also.
Being taught about trans is going to be very different to a child than being taught about male and female, so much so that I could not quickly fathom how the question could be genuine, third (though really just an expansion of 1+2)
Now will you answer my question? WERE you in fact serious? What was the point of your question?
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Yes Iām serious. Trying to understand if you think you would get the same outcome, and why or why not.
The question is not sufficiently detailed to give a thorough answer.
Depends on how big of a change you are comparing to. Meaning, you change x, the input variable a little or a lot, you get a change in y, the output variable, a little or a lot (or maybe not)
Boys are already taught some stuff about girls, but sure if you experimented on a generation by teaching them a lot more, you would probably get some differences in results - looking only at a one variable analysis - which is not a good analogy to our multivariable world
Well, I guess I sold myself short - that was a thorough answerā¦ Now, what was the point of the question?
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Trying to understand your point of view better.
Strange variable to isolate for that purpose, but āokā
Canāt help but think youāve just answered with what you got, rather than what you originally intended to get when you first asked someone else, but āokā
In arguing someone elseās intentions, they either win the argument or something way more. Iāve eventually found itās not worth the effort unless I really love the person, and am prepared to do a good job of it.
Peace either way, good luck, and thanks - you have helped me get my healthy anger back although Iām not mad at you.
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Regarding whether homosexuality is inborn or not or a choice or not, someone can be born without an attraction, inclination, a compulsion, or an orientation but still have it without choice. Again, not inborn and not by choice.
That also goes for paraphilias. Although there are theories for the predisposition for them concerning brain formation and prenatal development, no one is born with a specific paraphilia or fetish. If someone develops a paraphilia from conditioning in early age (eg, a stimulus paired with sex), s/he doesnāt choose to be aroused by the stimulus in the same way no one chooses to be aroused or excited or scared by anything.
And for all those who are confident homosexuality is inborn, Iāve several times asked, āhave you looked into any information to the contrary, specifically by those with specialized knowledge?ā I have. If they havenāt, I donāt know how they can justify confidence in their conclusion.
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That isnāt the same as telling them they can CHOOSE their gender, which is what is going on in a lot of schools. You can teach them about elephants. The problem comes when you tell them they can CHOOSE to be elephants.
I agree. Kind of made the same point earlier. I said I didnāt see an issue with creating awareness if that was all that was going on.
I also donāt think itās a choice. Telling kids it is a choice is problematic.
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In addition to what Iāve written, Iāve noticed that most people Iāve spoken to on the topic IRL (not by my initiation) nearly all say itās inborn, and thatās it! When I replied, āHave you looked into alternative information?ā the response in every case has been that they havenāt, will not, or arenāt convinced otherwise (by information theyāve never consumed). Interestingā¦
This is not really a trans or gay issue. The proponents are never people like Douglas Murray or Peter Thiel.
They are blue haired freaks with facial tattoos, it is overweight men dressed in drag with a dildo on their head. Pushing the idea that gender is fluid, that there is no truth in biology. Pushing kids to experiment. They confuse the children, cause a wedge in the family, make them feel isolated. They then seek comfort with these āteachersā they are GROOMING them. They are just hiding behind the banner of gays/trans. That way they can call everyone who disagrees, homophobic.
Everything comes back to sex with them. Why teach a child to masturbate for stress relief? Show images in children/teen books of girls blowing strap on dildos?
You all should really check out James Lindsayās appearances on the Joe Rogan Podcast. He gets really in depth.
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Does it matter though if:
I guess for me, the point that matters is choice or not.
I am of the opinion that attraction isnāt a choice (although being in a relationship with someone you arenāt attracted to can be a choice). I donāt think same sex attraction is either you have it or not for everybody. I think there is a spectrum. Some people donāt have any attraction to the same sex, some are mildly attracted but more to the opposite sex, some are about 50/50 in attraction to the same vs opposite sex, some are more attracted to the same sex and mildly attracted to the opposite, some are not at all attracted to the opposite sex, only the same.
It does matter considering what goes along with their point, not yours perhaps: āyou must think X about homosexuality. Otherwise youāre a āhater/bigot/homophobe/backwardsā. After all, how can you āhateā someone for something he didnāt choose?ā
Emotional blackmail.
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