6-18 ng/dL
When I was below 18 I had every symptom in the book, hence why I don’t care about ranges. I care about resolving symptoms.
ok so I did some research different places. This what I came up with. A lot of people are saying that Nolvadex is preferred because clomid has a lot of bad side effects but then people are saying that clomid is a lot stronger and that it stimulates LH and FSH a lot better. My doctor told me that he recommends clomid unless someone has some type of vision side effects from it. Now I did bring up Nolvadex to him and he did say he would prescribe that to me if thats what I wanted to do. But when I did some research I didn’t really see how much time I was suppose to give each drug.
So If you guys could help give me a very detailed protocol that you thin would give me a god fighting chance for me to get my life back it would be greatly appreciated
yea he has me only doing 50iu ED for two weeks. How do you think I should approach him with an idea of a different restart he is very open minded to things
50iu’s a day isn’t going to do anything
There’s a study that defy medical did showing 150 vs 500 IU’s. Maybe try to find that to show that even 150 is way less effective so 50 can’t be doing much
hey where did you see this study so I can give it a look?
You want at least 5 weeks. Start with a higher dose and then the lower. Nolvadex is typically 40 mg a day for one or two weeks (depends on the person and how much they have), and then 20 mg a day for 3 or 4 weeks. If you want to run Clomid, it’s a similar approach. Maybe 50 mg a day for a week or two, then 25 mg for 3 weeks. Some guys use 25 mg and 12.5 mg, but if it’s short term for a restart then you don’t want to short change your chances. Maybe you’ll over respond with Clomid. There’s a guy inPharma that managed a restart using aromasin only. I don’t recommend that, personally. The point is to crank up the pituitary through faking out your body and seeing how the testes respond. Don’t be surprised if it doesn’t work, the odds are honestly not in your favour.
ok should I be running HCG first ?
Why do you think the odds are not in my favor?
Do you think it mite be a waste of time to try?
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HCG just makes the balls go, it doesn’t really help anything else. I wouldn’t bother with it, personally.
Dont remember your original goals. I inject 300 -500 units of HCG 3/days a week between injecting Test 3 days a week. I’m 62 yrs old around 230lbs. I can feel a big boost from the HCG by the evening of the same day I’ve injected it. I get my HCG from reliablerx, it’s pretty cheap. Been injecting HCG for yrs now
me and @hardartery we’re discussing a restart for me and if I should use HCG.
What do you think?
Yes, definitely. You’ll need depending on your weight 300-500 iu, 3 days a week or more.
ok thanks im getting ready to call my doctor in a couple of minutes and discuss readjusting this protocol he has for my restart.
I want to say thank you to @THORBAKER @dbossa @hardartery for helping me times like this is when I feel like the form helps me out so much with out this place I would be lost.
If you guys come up with anything else that you could think of to help me with this restart it would be greatly appreciated
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You are going to be fine.
Thanks I had one last question through out this process of the restart should I be using something to help with the E2 fluctuation?
I am currently using DIM which seems to work fine for me
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DIM is good
Update to the original theme of this thread. Everything is working like a dream now, not sure what’s causing the change but I’m happy with it.
2 hr romp in the bed room last night i was able to bring myself right to the edge and then back off. No reason to rush a good thing.
No need to block or manage E2. None whatsoever.
You got to be kidding me. You purposely go up and down for libido? No that means your protocols bad and you need a stable protocol. Stick to it man. You are totally screwing your body to stabilize. This is bro science friend.
DIM is not good. You don’t block estrogen. Do you block glucose . Do you block insulin? What else do you block that your body naturally creates ? You are not hearing @dbossa and the other experts who have found ai is hell for you and blocking estrogen is baaaad.
Stop suggesting it to others you are causing harm and you really don’t know what you are doing.
Seriously stop it. You increase and decrease dose for libido. You say dim is good.
E2 fluxes when you start hormones and change dose. Allow the body to adapt man. Have patience this doesn’t happen over night.
Use some logic and trust the body. It took me 3 months and my water retention and itchy nipples disappeared.
It takes time. If you take an ai you are going to limit your opportunity in the long run.
You are making decisions based on bro science fears.
Ai is a body building fad. Doctors picked it up from body builders.
We do not take 1000 mg a week. We do not take anabolics.
We as men need estrogen for our body to work well.
Danny gave you plenty of info. I have as well. We both use dr nichol, Eric Serrano , Russ Scalia, dr Robb, Nelson Virgil and so many more as our source.
Who is this guy using as his source that you feel is giving folks hormone therapy suggestions?
Who would I listen to? Nobody unless they could show me some Evidence and more info on why the suggest whatever they are giving.