[quote]rds63799 wrote:
when you say you have never experienced tren like this, what are you doing differently?[/quote]
Tapering up the Tren dose and Tapering down the Test dose, also keeping the test very low (80mg/wk) compared to slightly low in the past (250mg/wk).
Im a firm believer in tapering, even with orals such as Dbol etc its always better to taper up to your desired dose, from experience it mitigates any sides although some do not believe this.
SB
Might give the tapering approach a try as it will be my first go with Tren. Not sure if ill taper my test that low, always figure 150/week would be as low as I’d go but might go by feel like you. Good read though SB. Thanks.
The main reason for the test there is for normal E levels aswell as libido as the tren is doing the majority of the muscle-building.
At this dose of test (80mg/wk), I am super horny and having no erection or E problems so why run a higher test dose?
Not to forget that I am also running 140mg/wk of Dbol aswell, which will add to normalise E levels.
I may keep lowering the test if my libido holds and in the end just get rid of it altogether and run the Tren and Dbol together (a recommendation of Bill Roberts). From there, keep increasing the Tren dose and see how it goes. Time will tell, and if I DO get rid of the test and still make progress then I can dispell the ‘test as a base for all cycles’ myth.
SB
[quote]Singhbuilder wrote:
I can dispell the ‘test as a base for all cycles’ myth.
SB[/quote]
What myth?
I think you’ll find that quite particular to these forums.
Running EQ, Mast and Deca right now, no problems whatsoever.
In the absence of AI and Test, normalizing E2 is as easy as popping 60mg of DBol
-PTD
Didn’t notice the length of this cycle? Makes sense with the Dbol in there, if its staying in full cycle. I’m sure I could probably drop my test down a but while running the Dbol and slowly work it up if feel the drop in libido. Love reading these Tren logs. Getting me stoked for mine even though its 4 months away.
Tapering up is a good idea, you will find your sweet spot eventually.
Would you mind sharing some stats and goals?
[quote]PAINTRAINDave wrote:
[quote]Singhbuilder wrote:
I can dispell the ‘test as a base for all cycles’ myth.
SB[/quote]
What myth?
I think you’ll find that quite particular to these forums.
Running EQ, Mast and Deca right now, no problems whatsoever.
In the absence of AI and Test, normalizing E2 is as easy as popping 60mg of DBol
-PTD[/quote]
Not necessarily on this board, but most boards have the philosophy of test as a base.
Is 60mg what works for you or do you have some sort research suggesting that dose provides normal E levels?
SB
[quote]smalsh wrote:
Didn’t notice the length of this cycle? Makes sense with the Dbol in there, if its staying in full cycle. I’m sure I could probably drop my test down a but while running the Dbol and slowly work it up if feel the drop in libido. Love reading these Tren logs. Getting me stoked for mine even though its 4 months away. [/quote]
I havent decided on a length yet, but if all goes well then I may just run it till it becomes uncomfortable. Most probably up to 16 weeks or so. We shall see.
SB
[quote]MacSaintson wrote:
Tapering up is a good idea, you will find your sweet spot eventually.
Would you mind sharing some stats and goals?[/quote]
Tapering is definetly the best decision I made while using any AAS. I can get away with not tapering up the test dose, but things like tren and most orals I definetly have to taper.
I am roughly 190lbs, 5’10, ~12% BF.
Dont really measure numbers for the three big lifts as I train for more mind-muscle connection than strength.
Main goal is to make improvements to my body in the areas most needed (chest, quad sweep and calves). Lean mass gain is the aim, looking for around 10-15lbs lean muscle while dropping some fat.
Long-term goal being competing.
SB
Day 9
So far the cycle was good, however today I am hit with severe lethargy. All I want to do is sleep all day.
I may attribute this to my jab yesterday, I felt my libido was a little low so I jabbed 30mg Prop instead of the 20mg, it could be due to that or it could be elevated prolactin.
I highly doubt its elevated oestrogen, not from such a low dose of test. Another change to note is Ive give the dbol a rest for a week so, just to give a little break to my liver and stomach, was getting abit gassy.
Another possibility could be due to elevated RBC’s?
Strength has rocketed up, im looking dry and vascular. Chest is striated now (never been previously). Sweats have increased as of last night, which leads me even more to think it was the higher test shot.
SB
I think it was the Prop causing the sweats and lethargy.
Yesterday was a Tren only jab day and last night I slept fine with no sweats at all. Here is how the cycle has evolved:
50mg Tren Ace ED
10mg Test Prop ED
0.25mg caber EOD
No adex
500iu hCG 2x/wk
No depression
No night sweats
No ED
No gyno
No appetite suppression
Libido OK
Morning wood present
Strength up
Vascularity up
Fullness up
Notice I have changed the prop jabs to everyday, I feel it is better to jab as little as possible to avoid the spike in Tren’s side effects. Also I will keep upping the Tren till I hit a spot where the sides become too much.
All hail the LOW TEST HIGH TREN approach, IT WORKS.
SB