[quote]kneedragger79 wrote:
To all the doubters and skeptics, go ahead and argue that .1 percent. I provide an open door.
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He may be 99.9% certain that it’s Noah’s ark, but that is a completely meaningless statement.
I knew that .1 percent would catch a few!
RG how pray tell is the statement meaningless? You just called foul and won’t say more? Yup, intelligent discussion you are providing.
It’s a completely arbitrary figure. Or am I wrong, has he calculated the 99.9% likelihood? It’s like if someone flips a coin and I say “I’m 99.9% certain it’s a head.” It’s meaningless.
And this isn’t the first time the ark’s been found, so forgive me for not getting too excited about this. But even if this does turn out to be about the right age to have been the ark (although that means you have to concede that scientific dating techniques are sound, which automatically invalidates the young Earth theory that ties in with Noah’s ark) that does not in any way prove that the story is true. I have no trouble believing that a family made a ship to survive a flood, but there is no way they put several of each species of animal on the Earth in that boat.
Account Suspended – here is the website for the Turkish/Chinese team which made the expedition and released their findings along with members of the Turkish government. Check out the photos and evidence for yourself. They will be releasing more details once the site is secured and preserved from vandals/treasure seekers
Holding up my hand at the back of the class…
Where did all the water go and why would a supreme being need to perform such crude gymnastics to wipe out a bunch of mortals? Why not just blink them out of existence?
[quote]pushharder wrote:
[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:
Holding up my hand at the back of the class…
Where did all the water go[/quote]
Excellent question!
Tell me, my humble student, what comprises 75% of the earth’s surface? Answer that question and you have your question answered.
*Hint: uniformitarianism is a dead and I mean stone cold dead proposition.[quote]
and why would a supreme being need to perform such crude gymnastics to wipe out a bunch of mortals? Why not just blink them out of existence? [/quote]
The imagery inherent in Judaism and Christianity is too rich to assign a description like “crude gymnastics” to the Flood. The Flood is loaded with typology pertinent to a Savior redeeming lost and sinful Man. When you really get into it you might realize how exquisitely designed a universal Flood really was.
On another point I remember some creationist scientists over 30 years ago proclaim that regardless if the Ark was ever found it would not sway many minds even if an wooden aircraft carrier sized ship at 15,000 ft above seal level full of stalls and hay barns was exposed for all the world to see.[/quote]
Oh, so the earth had no oceans then. Hmm.
And, you appear to read the bible literally. Where could we possibly go from there?
Regardless of what you believe, you have to marvel that there really has turned out to be some sort of advanced wooden structure 13,000 feet up on top of a mountain. I would hope that both sides of the argument would be more interested in figuring out exactly what this is, instead of just digging in their heels and yelling louder about the same crap they’d been discussing before this came to light.
[quote]Cortes wrote:
Regardless of what you believe, you have to marvel that there really has turned out to be some sort of advanced wooden structure 13,000 feet up on top of a mountain. I would hope that both sides of the argument would be more interested in figuring out exactly what this is, instead of just digging in their heels and yelling louder about the same crap they’d been discussing before this came to light.
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Are you kidding me? Out of all the people who think they have this shit figured out, which one do you think is going to be the first to admit the possibility that they’re wrong?
Dude I have been reading about the ship like structure in Mt.Ararat for like 5 years.So now that some christian group finally went up there and found some stuff everyone is talking about it.
[quote]JayPierce wrote:
[quote]Cortes wrote:
Regardless of what you believe, you have to marvel that there really has turned out to be some sort of advanced wooden structure 13,000 feet up on top of a mountain. I would hope that both sides of the argument would be more interested in figuring out exactly what this is, instead of just digging in their heels and yelling louder about the same crap they’d been discussing before this came to light.
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Are you kidding me? Out of all the people who think they have this shit figured out, which one do you think is going to be the first to admit the possibility that they’re wrong?[/quote]
Uhh, have you followed any of the “religious” debates on PWI thus far?
[quote]horsepuss wrote:
Dude I have been reading about the ship like structure in Mt.Ararat for like 5 years.So now that some christian group finally went up there and found some stuff everyone is talking about it.
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I’ve heard about it for probably longer than that, but I’ve never seen actual video. Seems like something substantial has been discovered and I’m interested.
What, I can’t get a Amen?
[quote]pat wrote:
… That is what cosmology is based on and in 3000 years it has not been proven wrong.
There is no dogma here, this is pure deduction. Look it up, research what I said all you want. Google till you puke, it’s not going to prove me wrong.
And find me one thing that exists, physical or metaphysical, that has no contingency. I already took God, so you can’t have that one. The universe is clearly contingent, so that’s not it.
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Pat,
A few questions:
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Where is your proof the causal chain isn’t infinite?
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Asserting that an uncaused cause existed seems to fall prey to the logical fallacy of special pleading. How are you getting around this?
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Where is your proof the first cause, if it existed, is God?
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If a first cause did exist, does it still? If so, how do you know?
“If floodwaters covered Eurasia 12,000 feet deep in 2,800 BC, how did the complex societies of Egypt and Mesopotamia, already many centuries old, keep right on regardless?”
- Nicholas Purcell, Oxford University
Interesting question.
“We know what’s going on with Turkey archaeologically at that time, and there’s no major interruption in the culture.”
-Paul Zimansky, archaeologist and historian at Stony Brook University who specializes in the Near East (in particular, the region around Ararat - Urartu)
Interesting problem there, too.
[quote]anonym wrote:
“We know what’s going on with Turkey archaeologically at that time, and there’s no major interruption in the culture.”
-Paul Zimansky, archaeologist and historian at Stony Brook University who specializes in the Near East (in particular, the region around Ararat - Urartu)
Interesting problem there, too.[/quote]
Stop polluting this thread with science!!! LOL