Did Noahs Arc Really Happen

Off Topic Politics & World Issues
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Long-shot but vaguely plausible:

Large comet, completing an orbit around the Sun, is blasted by a solar storm and turned into water vapor on a near-miss course toward Earth. In a feat of perfect timing, the Earth passes right in front of this incoming ‘wave’ and our gravity pulls the water into our atmosphere. It floods like hell for six weeks, giving the people of the middle-east the impression that the entire earth is covered. Everyone and everything in the flood zone is annihilated, except for those on the ark. The water recedes and all returns to normal, sans all the evil humans.

God saw it coming and told Noah (or Gilgamesh) to build a really big boat and save the animals of the region from extinction.

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[quote]Ghald wrote:
If god is all-knowing and all-powerful…

Why do bad people exist? Because people have free will?

Why does cancer exist and why does god allow it to exist? Because micro-organisms have free will?

Why does god allow tornadoes and tsunamis to exist and take children away from their parents, even if the parents are good christians?

Either god doesn’t exist, or he’s ignorant/evil.[/quote]

There is a third option, it could be that you do not know the mind of God and therefore cannot comprehend what’s going on. This is not an attack as I am not far behind you on the understanding part. But I do know this, when man first sinned much evil, disease and other catastrophes were ushered into the world. I don’t especially like it anymore than you do.

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[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]Ghald wrote:
If god is all-knowing and all-powerful…

Why do bad people exist? Because people have free will?

Why does cancer exist and why does god allow it to exist? Because micro-organisms have free will?

Why does god allow tornadoes and tsunamis to exist and take children away from their parents, even if the parents are good christians?

Either god doesn’t exist, or he’s ignorant/evil.[/quote]

There is a third option, it could be that you do not know the mind of God and therefore cannot comprehend what’s going on. This is not an attack as I am not far behind you on the understanding part. But I do know this, when man first sinned much evil, disease and other catastrophes were ushered into the world. I don’t especially like it anymore than you do.
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It sucks that billions of people had to suffer worldwide through out history because of a few early sinners. Way to turn the other cheek there God. I think he needs anger management.

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[quote]redpeters wrote:
I’m sorry to be off topic but returning to the original question. The Epic of Gilgamesh is independent of the Bible and confirms the story of Noah. When God created the Earth about 6000 years ago there was an additional protective barrier of some kind of water vapor in the atmosphere that actually filtered out the UV rays and allowed people to live longer. This water vapor enventually fell for 40 days and along with earthquakes helped flood the Earth. And ever since that day people have lived shorter lives.

Another side note on fossils. A person’s face continues to grow with age. For example when someone lived to be 900 years there ears, brows and other parts would continue to grow. When these were found in archiaelogical digs evolutionists said they were transitions from apes to humans. Lizards grew to monster size during this period and were not brought on the ship. In the Bible it states Noah had 3 sons in his 500th year. Either they were triplets or Noah had them by 3 different wives which may be how the different race of people carried on. It’s fun to speculate but the important thing is to keep the faith of our Lord and Savior where all good things originate.[/quote]

I truly respect a person’s right to faith. But if you seriously believe the above, I think you have divorced yourself from all known reality and science and are certifiably nuts. I would not let you babysit my children or my pets. Uh, no offense intended.

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[quote]JayPierce wrote:
Long-shot but vaguely plausible:

Large comet, completing an orbit around the Sun, is blasted by a solar storm and turned into water vapor on a near-miss course toward Earth. In a feat of perfect timing, the Earth passes right in front of this incoming ‘wave’ and our gravity pulls the water into our atmosphere. It floods like hell for six weeks, giving the people of the middle-east the impression that the entire earth is covered. Everyone and everything in the flood zone is annihilated, except for those on the ark. The water recedes and all returns to normal, sans all the evil humans.

God saw it coming and told Noah (or Gilgamesh) to build a really big boat and save the animals of the region from extinction.

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Hmm, so the water vapor would survive entry into earth’s atmosphere? LOL

And to the earlier suggestion; so the only reason humans don’t live longer is because of greater sun exposure and the absence of the great water vapor barrier? LOL. And I thought the tooth fairy didn’t exist.

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[quote]DJS wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]Ghald wrote:
If god is all-knowing and all-powerful…

Why do bad people exist? Because people have free will?

Why does cancer exist and why does god allow it to exist? Because micro-organisms have free will?

Why does god allow tornadoes and tsunamis to exist and take children away from their parents, even if the parents are good christians?

Either god doesn’t exist, or he’s ignorant/evil.[/quote]

There is a third option, it could be that you do not know the mind of God and therefore cannot comprehend what’s going on. This is not an attack as I am not far behind you on the understanding part. But I do know this, when man first sinned much evil, disease and other catastrophes were ushered into the world. I don’t especially like it anymore than you do.
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It sucks that billions of people had to suffer worldwide through out history because of a few early sinners. Way to turn the other cheek there God. I think he needs anger management.[/quote]

I feel your frustration man, but God is sovereign and no matter how smart you and I are I can assure you that God is in a class by himself when it comes to intelligence. There is a master plan I can assure you of that. Keep in mind even if you live to be 100 no matter how much you may suffer if you have eternity in paradise to make up for it I’d say that’s a great trade-off for man, no? It’s all about faith my friend, not an easy thing, but well worth it.

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[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:

Hmm, so the water vapor would survive entry into earth’s atmosphere? LOL

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What exactly do you think would happen to it?

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[quote]JayPierce wrote:

[quote]Makavali wrote:
Long story short, you’re good because of the magic space genie who polices everything you do.

Good to know, tell me if you ever come to New Zealand, and I’ll warn people to give you a wide berth.[/quote]

I think you missed the point of my posts, Mak. [/quote]

Oh I hope so.

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[quote]redpeters wrote:
I’m sorry to be off topic but returning to the original question. The Epic of Gilgamesh is independent of the Bible and confirms the story of Noah. When God created the Earth about 6000 years ago there was an additional protective barrier of some kind of water vapor in the atmosphere that actually filtered out the UV rays and allowed people to live longer. This water vapor enventually fell for 40 days and along with earthquakes helped flood the Earth. And ever since that day people have lived shorter lives.

Another side note on fossils. A person’s face continues to grow with age. For example when someone lived to be 900 years there ears, brows and other parts would continue to grow. When these were found in archiaelogical digs evolutionists said they were transitions from apes to humans. Lizards grew to monster size during this period and were not brought on the ship. In the Bible it states Noah had 3 sons in his 500th year. Either they were triplets or Noah had them by 3 different wives which may be how the different race of people carried on. It’s fun to speculate but the important thing is to keep the faith of our Lord and Savior where all good things originate.[/quote]

The Epic of Gilgamesh is where the idea was copied from. If you actually took a world view outside of your limited perspective you’d see just how much of the Bible is plagiarized materials with a few names changed here and there.

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you guys still arguing the existince of God huh.

you really think this guy created everything.

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[quote]pushharder wrote:

[quote]horsepuss wrote:
you guys still arguing the existince of God huh.

you really think this guy created everything.[/quote]

Some folks argue 'bout God.

Others send dick pics to chicks.[/quote]

and some chicks send back pics of there boobies.

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[quote]pushharder wrote:

[quote]Makavali wrote:

[quote]redpeters wrote:
I’m sorry to be off topic but returning to the original question. The Epic of Gilgamesh is independent of the Bible and confirms the story of Noah. When God created the Earth about 6000 years ago there was an additional protective barrier of some kind of water vapor in the atmosphere that actually filtered out the UV rays and allowed people to live longer. This water vapor enventually fell for 40 days and along with earthquakes helped flood the Earth. And ever since that day people have lived shorter lives.

Another side note on fossils. A person’s face continues to grow with age. For example when someone lived to be 900 years there ears, brows and other parts would continue to grow. When these were found in archiaelogical digs evolutionists said they were transitions from apes to humans. Lizards grew to monster size during this period and were not brought on the ship. In the Bible it states Noah had 3 sons in his 500th year. Either they were triplets or Noah had them by 3 different wives which may be how the different race of people carried on. It’s fun to speculate but the important thing is to keep the faith of our Lord and Savior where all good things originate.[/quote]

The Epic of Gilgamesh is where the idea was copied from. If you actually took a world view outside of your limited perspective you’d see just how much of the Bible is plagiarized materials with a few names changed here and there.[/quote]

Schmakie, you shoot from the hip quite a bit with your 22 year old powerhouse of an intellect. How in the world did a guy who has a high school diploma with wet ink get so dadgum smart? You should be on a TV show for showcasing prodigies.

Do you really think you’re eligible to be in here taking batting practice with the big boys? If so you must be a big boy’s nephew or something who’s out with his uncle fetchin’ bats and balls.

90% of your posts here are cheers. The other 10%, like the one above, are speculations you heard from somewhere.[/quote]

Nice refute gramps

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[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]DJS wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]Ghald wrote:
If god is all-knowing and all-powerful…

Why do bad people exist? Because people have free will?

Why does cancer exist and why does god allow it to exist? Because micro-organisms have free will?

Why does god allow tornadoes and tsunamis to exist and take children away from their parents, even if the parents are good christians?

Either god doesn’t exist, or he’s ignorant/evil.[/quote]

There is a third option, it could be that you do not know the mind of God and therefore cannot comprehend what’s going on. This is not an attack as I am not far behind you on the understanding part. But I do know this, when man first sinned much evil, disease and other catastrophes were ushered into the world. I don’t especially like it anymore than you do.
[/quote]

It sucks that billions of people had to suffer worldwide through out history because of a few early sinners. Way to turn the other cheek there God. I think he needs anger management.[/quote]

I feel your frustration man, but God is sovereign and no matter how smart you and I are I can assure you that God is in a class by himself when it comes to intelligence. There is a master plan I can assure you of that. Keep in mind even if you live to be 100 no matter how much you may suffer if you have eternity in paradise to make up for it I’d say that’s a great trade-off for man, no? It’s all about faith my friend, not an easy thing, but well worth it.

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We’re not frustrated man, just pointing out that what is happening all around us seems to be in order with a natural chaotic world, where good luck and bad luck happens to people not expecting it.

You could say its all part of a masterplan, but no offense, I dont think there is any proof to support that claim. People feeling strongly about it is not proof. I dont like to base my argues on what could be, but on facts we can all see with our on eyes in the world around us.

Actions speak louder than words. If god did exist, the fact that he/she remains inactive in helping good moral people during great disasters and difficult diseases, tells alot. Saying its the fault of a few sinners in the past just doesn’t cut it.

OFFTOPIC: Pushharder and Makaveli, you guys have over 10000 posts, its not a wonder since youre spending more time insulting others than participating in the discussion. Please stop wasting our time, peace.

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[quote]pushharder wrote:

[quote]Ghald wrote:

OFFTOPIC: Pushharder and Makaveli, you guys have over 10000 posts, its not a wonder since youre spending more time insulting others than participating in the discussion. Please stop wasting our time, peace.[/quote]

Newbie, I have zillions of words of “participating discussion” posted here on this subject in the past five years that don’t include insults. Don’t wade into what is the frontier for you and start issuing orders like you now conduct the orchestra.

If your babble in the above post is any example of “participating discussion” I would strongly suggest you are the one wasting our time here.

(BTW, don’t use run-on sentences, sport)[/quote]

So you have zillions of words of experience about the issue. Maybe show it and point out what about my post is babble? I know the topic is Noahs Ark but the discussion turned to existence of god, since it closely relates to the issue.

I’ll work on the sentences, sport.

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[quote]Makavali wrote:

The Epic of Gilgamesh is where the idea was copied from. If you actually took a world view outside of your limited perspective you’d see just how much of the Bible is plagiarized materials with a few names changed here and there.[/quote]

Well, first of all, you don’t know that for sure. The person who wrote the story of Noah may or may not have known about the existence of the Epic of Gilgamesh, so you’re just speculating. In either case, it wasn’t an eye-witness account.

I don’t really know why the names change from culture to culture, other than to make the stories seem familiar to the reader. Other than that, writing your own account of something that happened doesn’t mean you’re plagiarizing some other guy that did the same.

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OK being serious…

In most early mythologies there is the legend of a flood. The sumerians, the israelites and the ancient Greeks (Atlantis) have stories of floods destroying shit. I think there’s some in Iranian and Indian mythology from the memories of my old RE class (someone correct me if I’m wrong). There’s archaelogical evidence that the Minoan civilisation was destroyed by a huge tsunami about 3000 years ago BUT ALSO further back of heavy floods, 4-5000 years ago, when the epic of Gilgamesh was first penned. Thus, huge floods at the time of Israel/Babylon/Greece would have passed into mythology. Perhaps there was a guy, who was heavily fortified in a house that could survivie the flood when others perished, ad over time the story changed a bit or perhaps its an allegory about those who sin. But 2 of every animal? Really?