Will I still need clomid or Nolvadex taking only 5 to 10 Mg of oral dianabol a day or will the side effects still be the same.?
ummm… what do u expect to achieve taking 5mg of dbol?
The only way there would be an estrogen issue with that dosage of Dianabol is if the user were on the absolute threshold of having an estrogen problem anyway. E.g., some naturally have gyno, so I suppose someone could be “one straw short” of developing it naturally and then be pushed over by 1 or 2 Dianabol tablets per day. But it’s unlikely, perhaps fairer to say extremely unlikely.
As to what might be accomplished, a few individuals actually have done well on about 10 mg/day but that is from individual variation: ordinarily, that dose is far too low.
By “done well,” I mean lost some fat and gained a quite modest amount of muscle that they probably wouldn’t have achieved in the same time frame on the same program otherwise, and don’t believe that they would have. These were very modestly-muscled individuals, I am not talking about being transformed into looking like a lifter from not having so looked.
Im all ready a pretty big guy at 250 6’3 .Im not trying to go for competition muscles I just want to take them at a reasonable rate where Im not gonna grow tits or loose my nuts…!!
Bad1, what exactly do you want to achieve with this?
I have a cycle of dianabol but thats it , I work out everyday and Im just wondering if theres anyway to take this without it going to waste or without having nonreturnable side effects…
[quote]Bad1 wrote:
I just want to take them at a reasonable rate where Im not gonna grow tits or loose my nuts…!! [/quote]
That sentence right there tells me that you need to do some reading on the drug, it’s side effects and how to control them.
there are several websites that give good drug profiles, list of side effects, common doseages, half lives, and all that good stuff.
Ive done my research and read all about it it says you need you need clomid or something like it to counter the estrogen in high doses my question is can I take a low dose of it without any major sides.
I know it probally wont do some serious changes but can it help just for a testosterone boost for a couple weeks…once again I already have the dianabol without reading into it now I have it Im trying to make the best of it…!!
As mentioned above, a person would have to be right on the edge of an estrogen problem anyway for a dosage such as 5 or 10 mg/day to cause an estrogen problem. So the answer would be generally no. But if for example already having small natural gyno, then it might make sense to avoid even very small increases in estrogen such as this would be. But it would not take a full 50 mg of Clomid to counteract 10 mg/day of Dianabol. One Clomid tab the first day, the second day, and then one per every three days (e.g. days 5, 8, and so forth) should be plenty for that.
It’s very common for 50 mg/day to be used without adverse estrogenic effect despite no anti-estrogenic agent, though not everyone can do it. However for example those without gyno that get nipple pain on 1g/week of test without anti-estrogens, and therefore go on anti-estrogens, in many cases can later use 50 mg/day Dianabol and not have any nipple soreness. So it’s by no means a guaranteed problem-causer even at an effective dose, but rather it depends on the individual.
Is 5 or 10 mg a day gonna stop my natural test production??
not only should 5 or 10mg not stop your natural test production but it wont really do anything for you either, don’t waste the dbol you have on this ridiculous cycle.
[quote]Bad1 wrote:
Is 5 or 10 mg a day gonna stop my natural test production??[/quote]
It most likely will not stop natural test. It may supress it a little but will not shut you right down.
The reason being that it has a very short half life. At 5 or 10mg I would assume you are only going to take it once a day. It will supress for a few hours but then the levels will drop off and your natural test production will start back up again. Some people will use it as a little kick before training.
It need to be used at much higher doses and taken several times throughout the day to be at all effective.
Id personally invest the money into a couple bottles of bcaas rather than spend it on 5-10 mg of d bol per day. Im obviously not comparing d bol to bcaas. I just feel it would be money better spent.
Alright I get it …dont waste my time on it that way is there any over the counter or legal pct or antiestrogen I can use with this so I can up the dose to 25 or 30.
Search for nolva and clomid.
You should be able to find anything you ever wanted to know about them on here.
Also look up Arimidex and Aromasin which are better suited for use during a cycle.
Is this your first cycle?
Option 1:
Don’t do a dbol only cycle, you’ll reap the most gains on your first cycle but use some injectable test and use the dbols you got to jumpstart a cycle of say Test Enanthate or Cypionate.
Go to your doctor and get a prescription for arimidex and nolva (tamoxifen) and go search this site for PCT, use them correctly you will have no estrogen sides and you should bring your natural test back to normal levels easily after your cycle.
Option 2:
Do a retarded dbol cycle, watch your balls shrink anyway, and make minimal if no gains…
Conclusion:
There is a baseline of how much artificial test you need to use before you get results, under that baseline all you’re doing is shutting down your natural test production and bringing it back to normal with AAS…stupid.
You sound scared of using some real test which is understandable, most people are…you aren’t ready for AAS, buy some more overpriced supplements I say =)
- Rst
Im not scared trust me Im deployed overseas and dont have the resources thats why Im asking for info on here if I was back home it wouldnt be so hard to get some PCT or injects…
My 2 cents which is based on real experience: there is definitely a place for dbol use as low as 5 to 10 mg/day.
Someone on this thread already mentioned the use of this small amount prior to training. Another way is to take it right after training. You can take this amount when you’re sick and want to provide your body with something extra to hold onto lean tissue while you’re suffering from the illness.
I have tried all of these methods, and they all are effective.
Bloodwork results:
5 to 10 mg/day for one week = very little to no shutdown when compared against baseline tests prior to cycle.
5 to 10 mg/day for two weeks straight = very little to no shutdown when compared against baseline tests prior to cycle.
5 to 10 mg/day for 3 weeks straight = some shutdown, roughly 15% for me.
5 to 10 mg/day for 4 weeks straight = shutdown of 30%.
The above experiment was done for only 1 month during a period of at least 3 months off of a previous cycle. Bloodwork was taken just prior to simple cycle and every single Sunday for 4 weeks. The dbol was taken AFTER training, and the results were: strength increases via more reps at typical training load; less “wiped” out feeling by the end of the week; sense of well-being after awhile.
No clomid was used during cycle; no arimidex was used either. Clomid was used for 2 weeks AFTER the cycle and subsequent bloodtests confirm body was completely back to pre-cycle levels.
Look, this type of steroid usage will NOT make you huge, won’t make you stronger than shit. But it is effective for helping with the gaining process to a small extent. I DO think that taking this small amount of anabolics is WAY better than taking BCAAs, aminos, or any other supplement out there. It is WAY more cost effective than spending money on the supplements as well (note though, steroid use + supplements is a different story).
Again, just my 2 cents.
I agree^
It seems that at a low dose (5-15mg) of dbol sides are min, and so are the gains (2-10lbs)
IMO all cycles should have some pct, some can get away without but why not use some clomid considering it is so cheap.
A dbol only 2 weeker at a low dose should be followed by at least a week or two of clomid or nolva, at a low dose.
These short cycles are great for in between longer IM cycles and seem like the new protocol for oral only cycles.
This is an interesting thread.
I have wondered this myself about small doses of dbol or even anadrol… if you used this protocol for Dbol only just 3 weeks short cycles and two weeks off and on again … could you gain in a yr, 20 pounds? Well I have done 1 cycle and it was great but I have the PCT process I love the ongoing gains.
Also with such a small shutdown 15 % wouldnt an over the counter T booster help maintain levels??. Alpha Male did seem to get the “Boys” back up to size IMO. I have clomid and nolva both. But I would rather use those for a 8 - 12 week cycle with 500mg test/ week I have 80 amps left. How would 5 - 10 mg a day of dbol compare to say MAG-10 or superdrol? Just curious.
This has to be the best think tank on steroids on the net Thanks for any info guys.
Donnie