I’m going to do a cycle of Dianabol and Anavar working up to 30mg of D-bol each day and 30mg of Anavar each day, it will last 10 weeks, do you think Biotest’s M is a good enough anti-E for this cycle or should I run some Nolvadex in there?
This is not the best idea for a cycle bud. First off, you are using two alkylated oral steroids. These are both liver toxic, and their use should be limited to 6 weeks, 8 at most. 10 weeks is too long. While these drugs will be somewhat complimentary to each other, dbol being class 2 and anavar being class 1, there are better combinations of drugs than these.
I would always recommend the use of a pharmaceutical anti-estrogen such as nolvadex, especially when using something which aromatizes as strongly as dbol. 20mg/day starting when your nipples begin to itch will be sufficient. Nolvadex also works well for PCT, of which you have made no mention but it is definetly in your interest to plan this as it is the most important part of a cycle.
I would reccomend rethinking your cycle however.
JP
Okay, I have a good supply of both, what do you suggest I get to complement them, possibly making 2 different cycles. As far as pct I am reading and will think it through before I start a cycle, if you have any suggestions I’d be glad to hear them.
I have some ideas for you but i have to go out of town till monday, but i’ll post when i get back. Perhaps some others will throw in some ideas too.
You could break them in to two 5 week cycles. You don’t want to be on dbol for 10 weeks. Get some anti-e’s just to be safe.
Tell us your stats and your goals and maybe some one will do your work for you.
Or do some research, put together your own cycle, and then let us rip it apart…I mean add our 2 cents to it.
DA
Wolar’s idea of two shorter cycles would be a good place to start. Maybe add a short acting injectable such as propionate or durabolin and save the anavar for post cycle as it is not very HPTA supressive in the dosages you mentioned and will help keep and anabolic environment when you are trying to recover your HPTA. Definitely want the nolvadex but some sort of anti-aromatase like cytradren or proviron would be of some use. Personally, proviron and nolvadex would be my first choice with the anavar. Keep the cycles to 4 weeks and do one cycle followed by 6 weeks off, then repeat the cycle again, followed by another 6 weeks off, etc for as long as your large stash and your body is willing to allow you. The durabolin and d-bol for the cycle would be nice in my opinion and would allow for plenty of good growth. But keep researching and asking others as these are just my suggestions. That may help you make more sense of my recommendations.
Darkangel, this is part of my research, I’ve read this site for countless hours, and discussing things with helpful t-nation members, I haven’t started a cycle yet as I am still doing research. It seems you have pretty much the same response for every question asked on this board, “do some research”, when people ask a question here, it’s my belief that is what they are doing. I didn’t just post this question and wait for all my questions to be answered, I have read everything I can get my hands on, and I still have hundreds of questions. I appreciate the help and advice from everyone, but I am so tired of hearing the same old “do your own research” crap, if you don’t want to help someone simply don’t reply.
Piper
You complain about being told to do your own research and say you have done it. After a post like the one you started this thread with I would say you need better glasses if an oral only cycle is the best you could come up with after your countless hours on this site.
Hey DarkAngel, I apologize for my stupid remarks, I was just tired and grouchy that night. But, one reason just reading info is that a lot of it is outdated, I actually got this Dianobol/Anavar cycle from a website article I was doing some reading on, it stated this would be a very good cycle, the two drugs working well together, that’s why there are so many of us asking stupid questions on here, there is a lot of bad info out there, so I will always run what I’m going to do by this board, as you people seem to know your shit. I will immediately abandon that cycle I was planning, and build one around the gear I already have, which is about 150 15mg Dianabol 500 5mg Dianabol, 360 10mg Anavar. Nolvadex is on the way. I will order whatever else I need to build a quality cycle or two. Any suggestions would still be appreciated. Thanks
Ok now we both got it out of us so lets see what we can cook up for you.
I might have missed it but, what are you hoping to do with this cycle? All out bulking, lean mass gain, or cut. Also do you have any previous experiance at all with AAS?
DA
I would say lean mass gain. The last time I took steroids was 1983 when I was 19, we went to a Dr. in Riverside CA and got a prescription went to the drug store and got Dianabol, that’s all I took and I got huge. Anyway I’m 39 have been lifting since I was in High School, sometimes more serious than others, for the past year I’ve been getting more serious again, but the gains just don’t come like they used to. I’m 5’10 190lbs. pretty lean, people definitely know I’m a weightlifter, just want to get bigger and stronger. My diet is good.
Next question, do you have access to any other roids then the ones you already have?
yes, I have a list I can choose from, pretty decent selection.
ok maybe I worded it wrong…
Type up the list you have available to you and put it on your next post.
Test:Cypionate, Enanthate, Propianate, Sustanon. Equipoise, Masteron, Primobolan, Trenbolone, Deca, Winstrol, Anadrol 50mg, Univet, Mitgan,Nolvadex, Clomid, Proscar,Proviron, Femara, HCG. I don’t even know what some of these are.
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Test:Cypionate, Enanthate, Propianate, Sustanon. Equipoise, Masteron, Primobolan, Trenbolone, Deca, Winstrol, Anadrol 50mg, Univet, Mitgan,Nolvadex, Clomid, Proscar,Proviron, Femara, HCG. I don’t even know what some of these are.[/quote]
How much are you looking to gain? Do you care if you put on a little fat while on?
If your looking to put on a lot of weight you could do a 12+ week cycle of test cyp or enanthate, equipoise, and deca.
If you want a short cycle you could do a prop, tren, and winstrol cycle.
There are so many options with what you have available to you. Post a cycle that you are interested in, and explain why. Then you can get some honest feedback.
Well I already have D-bol and Anavar, I’m thinking of getting some primobolan, but now I’m rethinking my whole strategy since getting so much info. I want to make steady lean mass gains, but I don’t want to really blow up or bloat up quickly. That was my original thinking with the D-bol/Anavar cycle I was considering, I read that the Anavar would increase strength, and help with the D-bol water retention and bloating. I’ve since been convinced that I need to rethink this. I like the Idea of a 3wk on/ 1wk off/ 2wk on/ 3wk off/ cycle that I was reading about on this site. To be perfectly honest, there is so much info out there, it can be very overwhelming, it is very true what they say, “the more you learn, the more you realize how much you don’t know”.
If you want to alternate like that and you have some anavar, get some winstrol. 50mg/depot/day or 75-100mg/oral/day along with your anavar is a good combination. Neither drugs aromatize which will not trigger suppression via the estrogen receptor. Dbol aromatizes a great deal and thus is fairly suppressive and not conducive to alternating cycles. Additionally, winny and anavar both have very short half lives and thus you can be on and then off within a matter of hours. Also, an anti-estrogen is not necessary with these drugs. This is probably the best way to use your anavar, and save your Dbol for a bulking cycle involving some different drugs. 2 on 2 off is pattern that was reccomended to me for alternating these drugs and will cause a minimum of suppression if at all.
JP
First cycle
Test enanthate 300mg w/1-5
Tren 50mg eod w/1-6
Primo 400mg w/1-6
D-bol 30mg ed w/1-4
Nolva 80mg on weekends starting week 3, then starting week 6 take 80mg, 80mg, 60mg, 60mg, 40mg, 40mg,20mg. w/7-10 nolva 20mg ed.
Let some others on the board look at this and tell you anything I screwed up on then try it out. Give your self 4-6 weeksoff after the primo is completly out of your system and then try it again using the anavar in place of the D-bol. See how this cycle works for you and we can change what ever need for the next one.
To everyone who is gonna say my doses are low, I put them that low because this will be his first real cycle and he shouldn’t need that much to see tons of growth. Now please rip it apart so I can better help out the next guy and my self.
DA